Texas A&M Commissioning?

Cav said:
First, a student that graduates with a 2.2 most definitely get a commission (at least in the Army). The question is whether they would be recommended for AD, and that also possible.
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I do not believe it to be true any more that a 2.2 GPA earns you a commission in any facet of military service necessarily. They will find a way to not recommend you if that's what they want to do. Perhaps a 2.2 GPA in a certain major with great leadership potential and stellar PT gets you there, maybe not. But there is a pervasive assumption out there that just going to an SMC gets you a commission. That is simply not true.
 
payitforward said:
I do not believe it to be true any more that a 2.2 GPA earns you a commission in any facet of military service necessarily. They will find a way to not recommend you if that's what they want to do. Perhaps a 2.2 GPA in a certain major with great leadership potential and stellar PT gets you there, maybe not. But there is a pervasive assumption out there that just going to an SMC gets you a commission. That is simply not true.
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I disagree. It will get you a commission - it just may not be on active duty. Graduation from college and completion of ROTC ensures appointment as an officer.
 
Cav said:
I disagree. It will get you a commission - it just may not be on active duty. Graduation from college and completion of ROTC ensures appointment as an officer.
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Being invited to "complete" ROTC being the key phrase.
 
payitforward said:
Being invited to "complete" ROTC being the key phrase.
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I'm not sure what point you are actually trying to make. There is no "invitation" to complete ROTC. Either they are eligible or they are not. Pursuant to AR 145-1, paragraph 3-43a(6), they will be disenrolled from the program if they do not maintain a 2.0 cumulative GPA. The PMS does not set their own academic standard.
 
payitforward said:
Cav said:
First, a student that graduates with a 2.2 most definitely get a commission (at least in the Army). The question is whether they would be recommended for AD, and that also possible.
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I do not believe it to be true any more that a 2.2 GPA earns you a commission in any facet of military service necessarily. They will find a way to not recommend you if that's what they want to do. Perhaps a 2.2 GPA in a certain major with great leadership potential and stellar PT gets you there, maybe not. But there is a pervasive assumption out there that just going to an SMC gets you a commission. That is simply not true.
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That is not universally true. I know several Cadets who graduated from VMI last year with a GP right around that mark who are on active duty as 2d Lts right now. They may not have gotten the branch they wanted but they got active duty because the PMS thought that they would be good officers. Anyone who isn't doing their best is being foolish because lots of things ride on your GPA as it realtes to your place on the OML, but if you want to be an active duty Army officer and the PMS thinks you will be a good one- then as long as you are not academically deficient then you will be one.
 
bruno said:
but if you want to be an active duty Army officer and the PMS thinks you will be a good one- then as long as you are not academically deficient then you will be one.
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"If" and "PMS thinks" being the key phrases in this one. Commissions are earned; they are not guaranteed.
 
payitforward said:
"If" and "PMS thinks" being the key phrases in this one. Commissions are earned; they are not guaranteed.
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I'm not sure why you keep conflating appointment as a commissioned officer and accession on active duty. If you graduate from college and complete ROTC you will receive a commission. To get active duty you also need the recommendation of the PMS. Again - these are two different things.
 
Texas A&M's AROTC guaranteed commission sounds attractive, so even if I score a 60 on all my PFT scores, but meet all the other requirements, do I get a commission no matter what? I'm not great at PT, and when I tested myself, I got a 186 :(
(P.S, I'm asking this because some AROTC dets want a score higher than a 180 to be competitive.)
 
The only way any candidate for a commission can be sure of earning a commission and selection for active duty is to prepare to be at the top of the selection ladder. The Army ROTC is the only branch mentioned in the US Code as requiring that branch to offer active duty to a person who has completed the ROTC program, BUT the statute also provides that person must - meet all the qualifications academic, physical and medical for a commission - AND be recommended for active duty by the PMS.
 
So, if I score at least a 190 on my next PFT, but pass my DODMERB and get recommended, does that guarantee a commission? I have a 3.6 GPA and all my academic stats are good at A&M.
P.S, will the PMS recommend you with passing (180-190) scores on PFT, as long your other stats are all good? I'm not the greatest athlete, more of a braniac.
 
afrotcdudette said:
So, if I score at least a 190 on my next PFT, but pass my DODMERB and get recommended, does that guarantee a commission? I have a 3.6 GPA and all my academic stats are good at A&M.
P.S, will the PMS recommend you with passing (180-190) scores on PFT, as long your other stats are all good? I'm not the greatest athlete, more of a braniac.
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The PMS must also judge that your leadership capability meets standards, so your advanced camp results and ECs are also important.

If the PMS feels you are not leadership material he or she can prevent you from commissioning.

Your OML will be a big component.
 
I'm in high school, so I'm wondering what EC and OML are, and does physical capability affect EC or OML (whatever they are)?
 
EC = extracurricular activities
OML= order of merit list. A score that ranks you nationally among all cadets based on grades, physical fitness, leadership etc.

Physical fitness is a significant component of the OML.

The PFT you are taking for scholarship competition is not the same as the test used for OML. That is the APFT and perhaps the new combat fitness test being rolled out.
 
I'm strongly considering joining color guard and even the Pershing Rifles, but I have no intention of becoming a green beret, etc. or getting a scholarship. I'm trying to improve my physical fitness, but its not going up drastically in any way.
Also, I would like to know what is the average APFT score for Aggie Arotc cadets.
 
What you do in HS has no impact on how you are evaluated on the AROTC OML and commissioning.

It is all based on college academics and college ROTC performance.
 
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AROTC-dad, does the guaranteed commission program only apply to arotc cadets, or is it also for afrotc and nrotc cadets too?
 
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