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I also have some difficulty with going 90 degrees with my push up. Also, I lack endurance while doing the run and I get abdominal pain when I push myself to do curl-ups. (nothing serious though)
 
I also have some difficulty with going 90 degrees with my push up. Also, I lack endurance while doing the run and I get abdominal pain when I push myself to do curl-ups. (nothing serious though)

I mean, no one ever said it was gonna be a great time to get in shape. It’s either worth it to you to make the commitment and grind to a lifestyle of fitness for a commission...or it’s not...Either’s fine, plenty of fine non-PT dependent careers out there, just the military’s not one of them. Having said all that though, you’re goal is completely realistic and attainable if you do make that commitment. However daunting it sounds, it is realistic.
 
I also have some difficulty with going 90 degrees with my push up. Also, I lack endurance while doing the run and I get abdominal pain when I push myself to do curl-ups. (nothing serious though)
As long as there is no underlying medical issue, all of the above is resolved by daily exercise with a focus on improving your (a) pushups, (b) "crunches", and (c) 1.5 mile run.

You'll be okay.
 
@afrotcdudette I am not going to harp on what VMI and Tbpxece has stated because at this time you are either go okay those are the facts and reality, thus get on board and work out or ignore those opinions and hope.

Here is where I am looking at:
Also, I may do a BS-PHD later on. If I don't make POC now, can I try while doing a doctorate (PHD in Engineering can last 3-6 years, so that's plenty of time.)
P.S, I'm trying to a PHD at a AFROTC host school (Rutgers, Rensselaer, etc.)

Which is your priority being in the AF or getting your post grad degree?
1. If you don't get SFT, they will dis-enroll you which will include formal paperwork from HQ AFROTC. You can't just pop back into AFROTC while in grad school and start again. They will know you were dis-enrolled and that equates to asking for a waiver.
~ This is true also if you want to go to OCS. They will flat out ask if you have ever been in a commissioning program, such as, ROTC before. If so, why did you leave? They will than go and retrieve your paperwork to see the dis-enrollment paperwork. There are ROTC cadets that later on go to OCS, BUT, usually these are people that left on their own accord. Whereas, if not selected it is the AF that made the decision for them.
~~ If it is being in the AF, than follow everyone's advice you have at least 10 weeks to get in shape. There really should be no excuse.
2. Getting a PhD while ADAF is difficult to say the very least.
~ Slim chance of being allowed to do educational delay right out of AFROTC for a PhD is being kind when talking odds.
~~ I know you don't want to fly, but you have better chances of getting an F35 straight out of UPT than getting an ED for a PhD. FYI, maybe 5-10 35s have dropped in the last yr. However the AF in that same time winged over 1100 pilots. Do the math.
~ If you try to do it while ADAF that is just as difficult. You will have to apply for a PhD program against everybody else in the AF.
~~ This would be like an ED. They will pay for you to be a full time student and your college education. You will owe time back for this assignment. I know several officers that have done this, HOWEVER, they were typically up for O4 or O5.
~ If you assume you can do this while working as an ADAF officer using TA, that is just as difficult because you need to juggle work and school. You would have to find a program that did nights/weekend/online. The online part is important since the AF is still going to deploy you and they may move you to a new assignment within those 3 yrs. That new assignment can be anywhere in the world.

This PT aspect is not going to go away even after you commission. You will take a PT test every yr. To me that is when it becomes even harder because unlike ROTC where you do mandatory PT weekly once you are ADAF life gets in the way. I have watched my DH his entire career put if off for 10 months every yr. The month prior he buckles down and works out daily. He swears he will not do that again, and thus, for the next month after the test he is still working out. By week 6 after the test he starts to make excuses. Repeat the process year after year. Our DS (ADAF) is now following in his father's footsteps. Neither have ever come close to busting, as a matter of fact they always max or come close to maxing.

Good luck
 
@afrotcdudette
What did your cadre say at the end of semester review?
Strong dets. tend to be brutally honest regarding where your weaknesses are at the present time, and what you need to work on for the future, especially if they are going to be meeting a board the following yr, such as, SFT(200), Rated (300) Non-Rated (400).

Did they discuss your PT scores? Did they inform you that although academically you are strong, the PT score still accounts for a specific percentage of your OML score?

Did they tell you how you are ranking out of the unit? Top 10%, top 1/3rd, top 50, bottom 50%?
~ Not every det will the cadre tell the cadet their rank, but this is important because your rank out of your det will be part of the score for SFT. It will be the largest chunk.

This plays back into why you want the PT scores to get much higher. Your CoC may decide that just because they are on the boundaries of busting they will move you lower down in the rankings compared to the kid with a slightly lower cgpa, but a much higher PFT.
~ In essence, that score can come into play from a % aspect twice in this scenario. 1st as the actual PFT portion. 2nd from the CoC ranking.

If they have not done either of these things (the end of term review and the ranking) I would request a sit down with your PMS and ask them these type of questions. They will not think poorly of you, or you are being annoying, quite the opposite. You are taking a proactive approach to your career as an AFROTC cadet.

I would also talk to cadets that are now 300s that were tech/non-rated whom have just returned from SFT. Ask them directly did their PFT scores drop, and if so by how much? This is important for you since you are on the edge of failing. Believe it or not only a yr or 2 ago there was a poster here that did not graduate from SFT and was sent home because they busted the PFT at Maxwell.
 
This PT aspect is not going to go away even after you commission. You will take a PT test every yr. To me that is when it becomes even harder because unlike ROTC where you do mandatory PT weekly once you are ADAF life gets in the way. I have watched my DH his entire career put if off for 10 months every yr. The month prior he buckles down and works out daily. He swears he will not do that again, and thus, for the next month after the test he is still working out. By week 6 after the test he starts to make excuses. Repeat the process year after year. Our DS (ADAF) is now following in his father's footsteps. Neither have ever come close to busting, as a matter of fact they always max or come close to maxing.
Good luck

For those getting less than 90, the AFPFT has been every 6 months now for a good number of years (ANG and Reserves are still on a 12-month cycle as far as I know). The days of hitting the gym the month prior to the test and not the other 11 months are mostly gone. With a few exceptions and holdouts, fitness has become a large part of the AF culture, and it shows in the demographics. Over 50% of the Total Force gets 90+ every year according to AFFMS. We are at the point now that we are looking at rolling out a job-specific secondary fitness test (in the spirit of the old PAST) just in recognition that the AFPFT is frankly too basic to accurately measure real fitness. I'm all for it.

The component thresholds for the female AFPFT are astonishingly low and there is simply no non-medical reason at this point for any average female Airman to not get 90+ every year.
 
My detachment (#340) at Worcester Poly Tech is a medium sized-det, and they didn't tell us about our ranking or anything. I passed the afpft, and they were good with that (im not on a scholarship, i failed during freshman fall sem but passed this spring sem). I'm going to be a 200 next year.
 
@Pima , I'm 21, just got a bachelor's degree (electrical eng.), but did not do ROTC. I'm considering both OTS and the USAFA. My grades are good, I have some community service but my afpft score is below 80 when I tested myself. I'm used to the hot climate of the south (living in TX now). Are minimum scores good enough while at OTS, or do I need to excel? I'm trying my hardest to get 90, or at least 85.
I'm thinking about CFA and nomination a bit later. In case i dont make ots, im going to go to the usafa.
 
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In case i dont make ots, im going to go to the usafa...

I don't think that's very likely. Consider why would the government spend $500,000 to send you to get a second degree so that you can be commissioned if they're not willing spend the small fraction of that to send you to OTS?

That said it is the military and it does work in mysterious ways ...
 
@Pima , I'm 21, just got a bachelor's degree (electrical eng.), but did not do ROTC. I'm considering both OTS and the USAFA. My grades are good, I have some community service but my afpft score is below 80 when I tested myself. I'm used to the hot climate of the south (living in TX now). Are minimum scores good enough while at OTS, or do I need to excel? I'm trying my hardest to get 90, or at least 85.
I'm thinking about CFA and nomination a bit later. In case i dont make ots, im going to go to the usafa.
You will get a PT test within days of arrival at OTS. It is not unusual for folks to score 5-10 pts lower than normal on this test. Failures are detrimental, and if bad enough, result in immediate termination.

Get your scores up to 90+ under any condition (rain/heat/low sleep/sick, etc.). This means you should be scoring 95+ under optimal conditions. There is no excuse for not being at that level-- nearly all of your peers at OTS will be.
 
@Tbpxece , a guide to OTS said that you must get a minimum of 75 by the last day of OTS. So, technically, if I get a 75.1 on the 66th day of OTS, I'm good to be an officer? I have gotten around 81 last time I took the test. Again, I'm used to working in the heat.
 
@Tbpxece , a guide to OTS said that you must get a minimum of 75 by the last day of OTS. So, technically, if I get a 75.1 on the 66th day of OTS, I'm good to be an officer? I have gotten around 81 last time I took the test. Again, I'm used to working in the heat.
Yes, 75 is the minimum to pass the AF PFT and the minimum to pass OTS.

Successful officers aim for the maximum and settle for the best result allowed by external factors. You have months to prepare for next year's boards. You should be in 95+ territory by then.

Don't fail the PT test. Don't go to OTS without being able to get an excellent under any conditions.
 
@Tbpxece , is an excellent (90+) absolutely mandatory to earn a commission, and will getting a satisfactory (75-80) on my afpft hold me up against other candidates?
-I know I WILL get a 75 (and not fail) if I practice enough, but I'm worried about the 95+ thing.
 
@Tbpxece , is an excellent (90+) absolutely mandatory to earn a commission, and will getting a satisfactory (75-80) on my afpft hold me up against other candidates?
-I know I WILL get a 75 (and not fail) if I practice enough, but I'm worried about the 95+ thing.

Quit worrying and go exercise. You have months to prepare, and I have yet to meet someone who was unable to go from failing to an excellent after 90 days of daily, dedicated training.​

Train for an excellent and you will get an excellent.

Go to OTS barely able to get a satisfactory (i.e. 75-80 territory) and you will most likely fail the first PFT. Fail the first PFT, and you will be required to retest. However, there is no time to "get better" between the first test and retest. The retest is simply to give you a second bite at the apple. Fail the second PFT and you will be headed home.

OTS is tough. Maxwell is extremely hot and muggy and PFT's are conducted first thing in the morning (after you have been getting ~5 hours of sleep for a week straight). You will test on an empty stomach, feeling horrible, without energy, and tons of stress.
 
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