License Exam Class of 2019

46 CFR 11.217(a) …

… If an applicant fails three or more sections of the examination, a complete re-examination must be taken.
On the subsequent exam, if the applicant again fails three or more sections, at least 3 months must elapse before another complete examination is attempted, and a new examination fee is required.
If an applicant fails one or two sections of an examination, the applicant may be retested twice on these sections during the next 3 months.
If the applicant does not successfully complete these sections within the 3-month period, a complete re-examination must be taken at least 3 months from the date of the last retest, and a new examination fee is required.
The 3-month retest period may be extended by the Coast Guard if the applicant presents evidence documenting sea time that prevented the taking of a retest during the 3-month period.
The retest period may not be extended beyond 7 months from the initial examination.
All examinations and retests must be completed within 1 year of approval for examination.

I wonder who pays the new examination fee. . . .
 
46 CFR 11.217(a) …

… If an applicant fails three or more sections of the examination, a complete re-examination must be taken.
On the subsequent exam, if the applicant again fails three or more sections, at least 3 months must elapse before another complete examination is attempted, and a new examination fee is required.
If an applicant fails one or two sections of an examination, the applicant may be retested twice on these sections during the next 3 months.
If the applicant does not successfully complete these sections within the 3-month period, a complete re-examination must be taken at least 3 months from the date of the last retest, and a new examination fee is required.
The 3-month retest period may be extended by the Coast Guard if the applicant presents evidence documenting sea time that prevented the taking of a retest during the 3-month period.
The retest period may not be extended beyond 7 months from the initial examination.
All examinations and retests must be completed within 1 year of approval for examination.

I wonder who pays the new examination fee. . . .

School pays the new fee as well.

In other news, I just passed safety and went 7 for 7. Passed. It felt good for a few minutes, but it died down when I remembered a 3/M license is useless. Couldn't have done it without you guys @cmakin, @beyond, @KPEngineer, @KP Eng .
 
School pays the new fee as well.

In other news, I just passed safety and went 7 for 7. Passed.
Do you know that for a fact in that you have seen your scores or is that just your feeling of your performance. I am just curious because we used to have to wait until the scores were posted once everyone was done.
 
Do you know that for a fact in that you have seen your scores or is that just your feeling of your performance. I am just curious because we used to have to wait until the scores were posted once everyone was done.

The Coast Guard guys told me I passed after I finished the last one. . .And I know from looking at the answers of the modules that I took.
 
Only a 70% pass rate for deckies this year. Have not heard yet about engineers.
 
Only a 70% pass rate for deckies this year. Have not heard yet about engineers.

It was a little under 70%. but that doesn't include the 7 or so people who didn't sit for it with us. I think the Engine rate was 80 or 85%. The class of '18 definitely had higher pass rates. The plot was stressful this year. Everyone thought it was going to be Chesapeake Bay, ended up being LI Sound East. And the module was a lot different from the ones I practiced. The oceans test also had a point along the track vertex question which we never did for practice.
 
Do you know that for a fact in that you have seen your scores or is that just your feeling of your performance.

Now I know it for a fact. Lowest module was an 89% in deck general. Kind of scraped the bottom with T-Nav though, got a 90% which is the minimum even though I thought I knew how to do every problem. One more question wrong on that module and I would've had to re-take it.
 
Mr2020, I thought the exam was for class of 2019 mids? I'm assuming you are class of 2020? I don't know how all of this works; could you explain? Congrats on passing! So happy for you. :)
 
My DS is of the Class of 2023 so I'm trying trying to understand the license exam process that my DS we be doing in 4 years from now. Here's my questions:
1. Is passing the license exam a requirement to graduate and receive your Bachelor of Science diploma or can you graduate , but still work on passing through the re-examination process ? For exam you can earn a law degree without passing the Bar Exam.
2. Can you receive your commission before passing the exam?
3. How many times can you retake the exam?
 
1. Passing license is a requirement to graduate from USMMA. You are of no use to the taxpayers who paid for your education if you are unlicenced. The incentive to pass is that you don't get your diploma without passing.
2. You cannot commission without a degree.
3. See KPEngineer post above on this point. The Code of Federal Regulations has very specific rules for licensing. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.
 
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3. I don't believe there is a limit to the number of times you retake, but eventually you gave to retake the whole exam rather than just the sections you failed. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

There are people who do bad in license prep every year. I will say though, 2018 had a much better pass rate. But in the end it doesn't matter. Each KP mid who is a senior will eventually pass license if it takes one attempt or 5 it's the same license. More convenient to pass it first shot, but ultimately irrelevant.
 
3. I don't believe there is a limit to the number of times you retake, but eventually you gave to retake the whole exam rather than just the sections you failed. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

There are people who do bad in license prep every year. I will say though, 2018 had a much better pass rate. But in the end it doesn't matter. Each KP mid who is a senior will eventually pass license if it takes one attempt or 5 it's the same license. More convenient to pass it first shot, but ultimately irrelevant.
But can you go across the stage and get your diploma with your class if you have not yet passed the exam?
 
3. See KPEngineer post above on this point. The Code of Federal Regulations has very specific rules for licensing. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

This has been a thing since the early 90's at least, so I don't see it changing. If you can't pass license prep, license is going to be a bad time.
 
3. I don't believe there is a limit to the number of times you retake, but eventually you gave to retake the whole exam rather than just the sections you failed. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

There are people who do bad in license prep every year. I will say though, 2018 had a much better pass rate. But in the end it doesn't matter. Each KP mid who is a senior will eventually pass license if it takes one attempt or 5 it's the same license. More convenient to pass it first shot, but ultimately irrelevant.
But can you go across the stage and get your diploma with your class if you have not yet passed the exam?
No. If you do not pass licence, you do not get a diploma. You are allowed to walk across the stage, but no diploma until you pass.
 
No. If you do not pass licence, you do not get a diploma. You are allowed to walk across the stage, but no diploma until you pass.


Unless something has changed in the last year or two I don't think this is true. They stopped doing "empty tubes" when I was at KP.... they don't let you walk unless you've finished everything.
 
3. I don't believe there is a limit to the number of times you retake, but eventually you gave to retake the whole exam rather than just the sections you failed. We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

There are people who do bad in license prep every year. I will say though, 2018 had a much better pass rate. But in the end it doesn't matter. Each KP mid who is a senior will eventually pass license if it takes one attempt or 5 it's the same license. More convenient to pass it first shot, but ultimately irrelevant.
But can you go across the stage and get your diploma with your class if you have not yet passed the exam?
No. If you do not pass licence, you do not get a diploma. You are allowed to walk across the stage, but no diploma until you pass.
I'm sure my DS will pass after all the education and prep he will receive, but knowing that for other professional exams such as the Law Bar and Accounting CPA it is not unusual to have to retake it or at least retake sections of the exam and that seems to be the case with the CG exam based on what I am reading on this post from others.
 
We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

This has been a thing since the early 90's at least, so I don't see it changing. If you can't pass license prep, license is going to be a bad time.
Is this "LicensePrep"an actual class? Is it just for deckies or engineers too? We didn't have it as engineers in the 90s.

I would have serious issue with the Academy not letting me take license based on anything not an actual USCG requirement. Who cares if I did good or bad in license prep? How many people who did well in license prep still fail license? Who cares if I pass or fail but me? Its all on me if I take them once, twice or five times? Besides, taking the test and failing is also a form of "license prep" is it not?

Unless something has changed in the last year or two I don't think this is true. They stopped doing "empty tubes" when I was at KP.... they don't let you walk unless you've finished everything.

I also take issue with the no empty tubes thing. If the only thing I have holding me up is the license I should be able to walk across the stage based on having sufficiently completed the body of coursework to earn the degree. How many have walked across the stage, got an empty tube and in the end NOT got the diploma because they never could pass license?
 
My DS is of the Class of 2023 so I'm trying trying to understand the license exam process that my DS we be doing in 4 years from now. Here's my questions:
1. Is passing the license exam a requirement to graduate and receive your Bachelor of Science diploma or can you graduate , but still work on passing through the re-examination process ? For exam you can earn a law degree without passing the Bar Exam.
2. Can you receive your commission before passing the exam?
3. How many times can you retake the exam?
Degree - License - Commission ... Its the Holy Trinity of Kings Point. Take one away and the other two also go poof.

(Stated for illustrative purposes, there are some limited instances where not being able to obtain the commission will not prevent you earning the degree or license)
 
No. If you do not pass licence, you do not get a diploma. You are allowed to walk across the stage, but no diploma until you pass.


Unless something has changed in the last year or two I don't think this is true. They stopped doing "empty tubes" when I was at KP.... they don't let you walk unless you've finished everything.

Correct. The policy is no empty tubes. They also did away with private grad ceremonies for deferred grads. The policy now is they mail you your diploma.
We may see new limits pushed for class of '19 because I think there were seven mids who did so badly in license prep that they were not even allowed to sit for the exam yet.

This has been a thing since the early 90's at least, so I don't see it changing. If you can't pass license prep, license is going to be a bad time.
Is this "LicensePrep"an actual class? Is it just for deckies or engineers too? We didn't have it as engineers in the 90s.

I would have serious issue with the Academy not letting me take license based on anything not an actual USCG requirement. Who cares if I did good or bad in license prep? How many people who did well in license prep still fail license? Who cares if I pass or fail but me? Its all on me if I take them once, twice or five times? Besides, taking the test and failing is also a form of "license prep" is it not?

Unless something has changed in the last year or two I don't think this is true. They stopped doing "empty tubes" when I was at KP.... they don't let you walk unless you've finished everything.

I also take issue with the no empty tubes thing. If the only thing I have holding me up is the license I should be able to walk across the stage based on having sufficiently completed the body of coursework to earn the degree. How many have walked across the stage, got an empty tube and in the end NOT got the diploma because they never could pass license?


Yes, license prep is a 0 credit course graded pass fail for deck and engine. They do it to artificially increase their first time pass rates I think. If they had allowed everyone to sit they wouldn't be able to say 67% for deck this year. It would've been closer to 50 or 55.
 
Is this "LicensePrep"an actual class? Is it just for deckies or engineers too? We didn't have it as engineers in the 90s.

I would have serious issue with the Academy not letting me take license based on anything not an actual USCG requirement. Who cares if I did good or bad in license prep? How many people who did well in license prep still fail license? Who cares if I pass or fail but me? Its all on me if I take them once, twice or five times? Besides, taking the test and failing is also a form of "license prep" is it not?



I also take issue with the no empty tubes thing. If the only thing I have holding me up is the license I should be able to walk across the stage based on having sufficiently completed the body of coursework to earn the degree. How many have walked across the stage, got an empty tube and in the end NOT got the diploma because they never could pass license?

I know one of your classmates who was a deckie and wasn't allowed to sit for license because of his grades in license prep.

To your point about being allowed to sit, the academy would argue that getting the blessing of the academy is a coast guard requirement, because completing the course of study is a requirement to be approved to test.... it's kind of ehh I know, but that is the requirement.

I can see both sides of the empty tube argument. On one hand you didn't actually graduate, on the other hand though, graduation is the only chance you'll have for recognition. My other issue is that graduation wasn't really about me, it was about my parents and family.... and in that sense it punishes them, not me. If it were up to me I would have probably skipped graduation all together, but it's one of the few things at KP that is really about the people in the stands, not the people on stage.

Correct. The policy is no empty tubes. They also did away with private grad ceremonies for deferred grads. The policy now is they mail you your diploma.


Yes, license prep is a 0 credit course graded pass fail for deck and engine. They do it to artificially increase their first time pass rates I think. If they had allowed everyone to sit they wouldn't be able to say 67% for deck this year. It would've been closer to 50 or 55.

For the reasons I mention above, I think doing away with the private graduation thing kind of sucks. I had a classmate get hosed on orals because she was a woman and got unlucky with her panel, she was a deferred grad, but didn't deserve it.

I don't know if license prep is about "artificially inflating" first time pass rates. License prep is a breeze, and it was at least a few credits for us. If you can't pass license prep, I don't know how you'd be able to pass the real thing, because license prep is so much easier. Also, when I was there, they did a few STCW control sheets/assessments as part of license prep for the deckies, which made it a graduation requirement.
 
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