License Exam Class of 2019

kpdad2023 said:
I'm sure my DS will pass after all the education and prep he will receive, but knowing that for other professional exams such as the Law Bar and Accounting CPA it is not unusual to have to retake it or at least retake sections of the exam and that seems to be the case with the CG exam based on what I am reading on this post from others.
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You're making a lot of bad assumptions here. . .You cant equate the maritime license to a CPA or Bar, which are professional exams for people with usually graduate level education, depending on state requirements for the CPA. The engine license exam is only 70% pass for everything and most of them finished the modules in less than an hour. Most people say deck license is a little harder I think, but nowhere approaching a bar or CPA exam. Thinking about your son's performance on the CG license at this point doesn't really make sense.
 
If I go to SUNY Maritime and major in Electrical Engineering, do I need a CG license to be elgible for MARGRAD?
 
KPEngineer said:
afrotcdudette said:
If I go to SUNY Maritime and major in Electrical Engineering, do I need a CG license to be elgible for MARGRAD?
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https://www.gocoastguard.com/active...es/programs/maritime-academy-graduate-margrad

Literally took me about 15 seconds to find
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I just wanted to make sure that I don't need an engine/deck license if I do a EE degree, so do I need a license for Margrad if i major in EE? Thank you
(I know it says engineering degree, but is that only for marine enginering?)
 
There are 5 majors at USMMA; marine transportation, maritime logistics and security program, marine engineering, marine engineering systems, and marine engineering & shipyard management. If you meant Electrical Engineering by EE, that is not a major offered. If you go to the USMMA website all of the information about majors and curriculum is there.
 
joriebelle said:
There are 5 majors at USMMA; marine transportation, maritime logistics and security program, marine engineering, marine engineering systems, and marine engineering & shipyard management. If you meant Electrical Engineering by EE, that is not a major offered. If you go to the USMMA website all of the information about majors and curriculum is there.
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He's talking about New York Maritime (SUNY) not KP.

And I believe you can major in EE and get your USCG 3rd A/E license at SUNY. I would do that. The MarGrad program is competitive these days. It appears that its possible to get in without a license by majoring in a "mission related field" but I would get the license if you go to SUNY. Not just for the coast guard, but more options if it doesn't come through.
 
beyond said:
....and the radar makes a great foot rest, so like I'm not so sure.
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I must be getting old.. I remember back in the day when you didn't dare sit down on watch, and heaven forbid you put your feet up on the radar.. on many ships I sailed on that would have probably resulted in finding your license on your pillow and the 'old man' calling the hall for your relief.. I always tried to resist [sometimes unsuccessfully] sitting down on watch, even when the captain allowed it and I was dog a$$ tired.. I was taught early on in my career that comfortable complacency was the enemy of standing an alert and vigilant watch..

Beyond, do you sail out of the MM&P hall or with the AMO?
 
deepdraft1 said:
beyond said:
....and the radar makes a great foot rest, so like I'm not so sure.
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I must be getting old.. I remember back in the day when you didn't dare sit down on watch, and heaven forbid you put your feet up on the radar.. on many ships I sailed on that would have probably resulted in finding your license on your pillow and the 'old man' calling the hall for your relief.. I always tried to resist [sometimes unsuccessfully] sitting down on watch, even when the captain allowed it and I was dog a$$ tired.. I was taught early on in my career that comfortable complacency was the enemy of standing an alert and vigilant watch..

Beyond, do you sail out of the MM&P hall or with the AMO?
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I was exaggerating a smidge about the whole thing, but the two ships where I have been able to sit, it's because of the design of the bridge.

They're ships that are designed around the pilot/co-pilot concept. They almost require you to be sitting in one of the two built in chairs to have access to the to the equipment you need. We also do European watches, so six hours on your feet would be a little rough I think. Most people stand up any time the old man comes to the bridge, but because of our run there are times where you'll sit in a chair and the captain will sit in the other getting down a channel or taking arrival/departure, it's just the way these ships were built.

I have been on plenty of ships (including APL) where it was called watchSTANDING for a reason.
 
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deepdraft1 said:
I was taught early on in my career that comfortable complacency was the enemy of standing an alert and vigilant watch..
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I'm all about this idea, but I've yet to see sitting and complacency being linked that way. I've spent so many hours leaning against a window trying to stay awake because I have to stand up for four hours, staring at my feet trying not to fall asleep. With our bridge lay out and watch schedule, I find myself tremendously more alert and aware, I'm way better rested and way sharper. With the ship I'm on now I can see 2 radars, an ECDIS, I can see out of the window, and I can control the EOT, helm, and auto pilot all from the same chair. It is a game changer.

I've done this in some really uptempo runs too where even as a third mate I was docking and undocking by myself, the captain might not be on the bridge until we had the dock in sight, and even then was only there to watch, you did the maneuvering yourself.... while a small ship it was still very much a ship in the unlimited tonnage category.
 
beyond said:
kpmom2013 said:
No. If you do not pass licence, you do not get a diploma. You are allowed to walk across the stage, but no diploma until you pass.
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Unless something has changed in the last year or two I don't think this is true. They stopped doing "empty tubes" when I was at KP.... they don't let you walk unless you've finished everything.
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When my class graduated, we ALL had empty tubes. Supposed to keep us from pulling any pranks. . . although the alumni at my graduation hired a plane to fly a banner over the ceremony that read, "Save KP, Fire Engel (our superintendent)". After the ceremony, we all went down to Wiley hall to get our paperwork. . .
 
beyond said:
If you study the material and not just midlessly memorize lapware, this is a non issue. The questions aren't really that new, because even the "new ones" are just spin offs. There are new modules on the street for 2019, but the Q series is still mostly derived from the old database, at least enough to enable you to pass, and the only questions they've added so far are the generals. They won't get the celestial/terrestrial/stability/chart stuff in until the committee meets again in the fall. You shouldn't be nervous about the new questions.
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Yep.. If you've been paying attention during your four years, passing the license exam should be no problem..
beyond said:
You want relaxing zen? The Miami REC, test as fast as you want, in shorts and a t-shirt, in whatever order you want, and you can walk to lunch some place good in between exams. Plus, by Wednesday you're pretty much guaranteed the testing room to yourself. I scored higher, tested faster, and studied for less than three weeks for C/M, it is tremendously easier when you're NOT doing it the KP way (... like most things).
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I believe the Coast Guard will let you take the whole exam in one day if you wanted to; and do it in any order. That's a big change from the way it used to be with the set testing schedule over 5 days. When my younger son sat for his C/M exam in Baltimore he took 4 sections in one day.. I thought he had more guts than a slaughter house doing that.. When I asked him why he did it that way, he said he knew the material cold and didn't want to waste time sitting around the REC. Besides that, there were a couple of 'Mates' jobs coming up soon and he wanted to make damn sure he had his license in hand when they hit the board..
beyond said:
I wish everyone would quit being so obsessed with that damn bell. It adds all kinds of unnecessary pressure to the whole license process. I loved ringing it, I loved that it was this big to do, but I rang it, thought to myself "What now? Guess I better go pack? " If I could go back and not have that pressure hanging over me the entire week, and not have classmates feel like garbage because they went 6/7, but not get to ring the bell, I would gladly make that trade. It was really cool, I loved it, but it wasn't what I had hoped, especially given the amount of pressure it adds.
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Even my alma mater recently has started doing this bell ringing thing and I wish they would just stop it. One, because it was never our tradition; it was copied from KP and two, as Beyond says, it adds artificial pressure that can be counter productive.. When my older son rang the bell at Kings Point back in 2005, I think there was a lot less focus on it and it was much more informal than it is now.. As a matter of fact he didn't even have his picture taken ringing the darned thing..
 
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beyond said:
I was exaggerating a smidge about the whole thing, but the two ships where I have been able to sit, it's because of the design of the bridge.

They're ships that are designed around the pilot/co-pilot concept. They almost require you to be sitting in one of the two built in chairs to have access to the to the equipment you need. We also do European watches, so six hours on your feet would be a little rough I think. Most people stand up any time the old man comes to the bridge, but because of our run there are times where you'll sit in a chair and the captain will sit in the other getting down a channel or taking arrival/departure, it's just the way these ships were built.

I have been on plenty of ships (including APL) where it was called watchSTANDING for a reason.
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I sorta figured your comment was tongue in cheek.. and you’re right about the modern wheelhouse layout that is designed for the watch mate to sit while still being able to monitor almost all of the bridge equipment and be able to maintain a proper lookout.. Here’s the bridge of one of my son’s recent APL ships with the side by side bridge chairs..
 
I really don't want to be a part of the Regiment of Cadets, or be on a ship for half an year, so I was wondering if I can just major in EE at SUNY Maritime, not get my licence (stick w/ internships) and be in MARGRAD.
(Also, will a Maritime degree help with CG OCS in case I don't do margrad)?
 
afrotcdudette said:
I really don't want to be a part of the Regiment of Cadets, or be on a ship for half an year, so I was wondering if I can just major in EE at SUNY Maritime, not get my licence (stick w/ internships) and be in MARGRAD.
(Also, will a Maritime degree help with CG OCS in case I don't do margrad)?
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There is no one here who can answer your questions as well as a USCG recruiter
 
kpmom2013 said:
Afrotcdudette is trolling here and elsewhere on the forum.
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don't think so. he's asking a legitimate question here. the coast guard website is a little unclear on whether you need a license or not for MarGrad.
 
Mr2020 said:
don't think so. he's asking a legitimate question here. the coast guard website is a little unclear on whether you need a license or not for MarGrad.
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@Mr2020
afrotcdudette has been asking apparently legit questions nonstop since they joined the forum on 5/25...but in various forums, saying they were NROTC, in AFROTC, in high school, with various back stories on grades, desires, interests, why they were leaving current program, etc. When they described themselves as a NROTC “cadet,” well... take a look at their posts across all forums, see what you think.
 
Capt MJ said:
Mr2020 said:
don't think so. he's asking a legitimate question here. the coast guard website is a little unclear on whether you need a license or not for MarGrad.
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@Mr2020
afrotcdudette has been asking apparently legit questions nonstop since they joined the forum on 5/25...but in various forums, saying they were NROTC, in AFROTC, in high school, with various back stories on grades, desires, interests, why they were leaving current program, etc. When they described themselves as a NROTC “cadet,” well... take a look at their posts across all forums, see what you think.
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Ah okay, belay my last. He said his SAT score is 1444. That's not even a real SAT score.
 
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