Army ROTC Scholarship Chances

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Hello all!

I came upon the service academy forums when I was initially looking into Army ROTC. It is now 4 days until the second board deadline, and I was wondering what fellow members would rate my chances at getting the Army ROTC scholarship are (looking for 4 year). All comments/guidance are welcome, I'd love to hear your opinions! The following are my stats:

Academics:
-Superscored ACT: 33
-GPA (unweighted): 3.875
-13 AP courses taken/currently taking and other honors classes
-1 college course currently taking (Calculus 3)

Extracurriculars:
-Boy Scouts (8 years): Eagle Scout
-National Honor Society
-Band (Percussion)/Orchestra (Violin): section leaders in both
-Violin (10 years): All-State Honors Violinist
-Piano (12 years)
-Winner in multiple competitions for Piano and Violin (WMTA, WSMA)-too many to list, not the worst problem to have
-School Newspaper (4 years): Editorial Board (Copy Editor, Sports Editor), Writer
-Chinese-American Club: President
-Forensics and Debate Team
-Student Council
-Math Team (Varsity)
-Tennis (4 years): Played for school, club, and league levels; JV grades 9-10, Varsity grade 11 (w/ letter)
-Over 200 volunteer hours across multiple platforms (mainly Boy Scouts/Eagle Project)
-Thedacare Medical Centers Student Intern (2 years)

PMS Interview:
-Interview went awesome! PMS said he was thoroughly impressed, and told me I scored max points possible for the interview (200 I believe)

PFT Scores:
-Pushups: 48
-Curlups: 50
-1 Mile Time: 8:24
-Proctored by local ROTC recruiting officer

My first choice school is WashU in St. Louis, in which I've applied ED II for Pre-med. One of the things I mentioned in my PMS interview was my ambition to further my Army career through the HPSP scholarship for Medical School, which if I were to get the 2 scholarships would be at least 8 years Active Duty. The site Military and Medicine helped me a lot in looking for an Army career that could also apply well after my service.

Thanks for taking the time to read this! I'd appreciate any comments/opinions.
 
Best wishes! Now it isn't so much about what you have done, but is there anything else you can upload or put in your additional comments?
 
Everything looks really good! However, work on your mile run. It’s really slow. But you got this!
 
You don’t need to upload a lot of extra stuff to your application. Make sure your essays and additional information blocks are good, make sure you have checked all the activities and sports blocks you can and make sure your stats are accurate. Letters of recommendation rarely get read by the board. Same with your achievement certificates.
 
Your Stats look great. But like to recommend you redo all your PRT. Your PRT Score looks way below the average. Isn’t PRT run time performed at 1.5 or 2 miles for AROTC? For CFA 1 mile run time for male is under 8 minutes to pass. Anything over 8 minutes maybe a failing score. If you’re a female maybe your PRT score is still below average but a passing score. Others who know better may want to chime in on the PRT for male vs female.
 
AROTC PFT is 1 minute pushups, sit-ups and a 1 mile run.

The pushups and sit-ups are fine, 50 is the max for both of those areas.

But the mile time is, to be blunt, very slow.
 
It would seem as though my mile time is the biggest concern with the comments here so far. Will this affect my application significantly? What is the recommended mile time? I know someone with a time close to 9 minutes who got a 4 year the first board.
 
WD1 said:
AROTC PFT is 1 minute pushups, sit-ups and a 1 mile run.

The pushups and sit-ups are fine, 50 is the max for both of those areas.

But the mile time is, to be blunt, very slow.
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Where could I find max/min for Army ROTC PFT? The only charts I've found are for the APFT, which is the 2-2-2 test.
 
clarksonarmy said:
You don’t need to upload a lot of extra stuff to your application. Make sure your essays and additional information blocks are good, make sure you have checked all the activities and sports blocks you can and make sure your stats are accurate. Letters of recommendation rarely get read by the board. Same with your achievement certificates.
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Thanks for the input! I uploaded my resume, as it explained better the plethora of activities from that tab in the app, but I tried to use the additional comment section to focus on leadership experiences.
 
JBfortunecookie1 said:
Thank you for this resource. It definitely seems I didn't score the best for the PFA (110 pts). Do you think this will have a great effect in the grand scheme of things?
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I mean, every point counts. I think I got a 129/150 on mine.

Just know, it's not pass or fail. It IS scored and it does count for selection. If you're trying to hop on this second board and can get another one in that's better before the 30th, by all means do so if you think you can do better!
 
Jarhead713 said:
I mean, every point counts. I think I got a 129/150 on mine.

Just know, it's not pass or fail. It IS scored and it does count for selection. If you're trying to hop on this second board and can get another one in that's better before the 30th, by all means do so if you think you can do better!
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Thank you for your insight! I assume you got a 4 year with the 129/150?
 
JBfortunecookie1 said:
Hello all!

I came upon the service academy forums when I was initially looking into Army ROTC. It is now 4 days until the second board deadline, and I was wondering what fellow members would rate my chances at getting the Army ROTC scholarship are (looking for 4 year). All comments/guidance are welcome, I'd love to hear your opinions! The following are my stats:

Academics:
-Superscored ACT: 33
-GPA (unweighted): 3.875
-13 AP courses taken/currently taking and other honors classes
-1 college course currently taking (Calculus 3)

Extracurriculars:
-Boy Scouts (8 years): Eagle Scout
-National Honor Society
-Band (Percussion)/Orchestra (Violin): section leaders in both
-Violin (10 years): All-State Honors Violinist
-Piano (12 years)
-Winner in multiple competitions for Piano and Violin (WMTA, WSMA)-too many to list, not the worst problem to have
-School Newspaper (4 years): Editorial Board (Copy Editor, Sports Editor), Writer
-Chinese-American Club: President
-Forensics and Debate Team
-Student Council
-Math Team (Varsity)
-Tennis (4 years): Played for school, club, and league levels; JV grades 9-10, Varsity grade 11 (w/ letter)
-Over 200 volunteer hours across multiple platforms (mainly Boy Scouts/Eagle Project)
-Thedacare Medical Centers Student Intern (2 years)

PMS Interview:
-Interview went awesome! PMS said he was thoroughly impressed, and told me I scored max points possible for the interview (200 I believe)

PFT Scores:
-Pushups: 48
-Curlups: 50
-1 Mile Time: 8:24
-Proctored by local ROTC recruiting officer

My first choice school is WashU in St. Louis, in which I've applied ED II for Pre-med. One of the things I mentioned in my PMS interview was my ambition to further my Army career through the HPSP scholarship for Medical School, which if I were to get the 2 scholarships would be at least 8 years Active Duty. The site Military and Medicine helped me a lot in looking for an Army career that could also apply well after my service.

Thanks for taking the time to read this! I'd appreciate any comments/opinions.
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Your stats look really good for an AROTC scholarship.

Just as an aside, the pre-med curriculum at WashU is no joke. There’s absolutely no grade inflation going on there. All the required pre-med courses have a well-earned reputation for difficult exams. It starts with General Chemistry the first year. Then comes the first semester of general bio which is offered only in the spring semester. That spring semester of freshman year will be brutal with gen chem, gen bio, and probably calc 2 which is the toughest calc in the sequence. My DD took calc 1 first semester and probability and statistics second semester - and for an A for both. Done. She’s got the 1 year of math required for med school admission without having to take calc 2 (and risk a B or C). Her major didn’t require calc 2. She tested out of calc 1 and WashU offered her calc 2 during her 1st semester freshman year. I told her med schools don’t care about which calc you take. They just care about 1 year of college level math.

Then first semester sophomore year, you get the 2nd semester of gen bio on top of the first semester of organic chemistry. Again, orgo is a sadistic course no matter where you take take- especially at WashU. Many kids take orgo somewhere else during the summer if the major allows.

Many straight A kids get their first Bs and Cs as a freshman at WashU and don’t take it well. My oldest DD said she saw a couple ambulances in her dorm area right before the first gen chem exam because kids were just having breakdowns in anticipation of not getting an A like they’re used to.

The conditions will be set for you to do well on the MCATs because the courses will force you to think and apply the concepts rather than just memorize for the exams.

On another plus side, applying to med school out of WashU is a huge advantage. Adcoms know the reputation of WashU and the rigor of the pre-med curriculum. Your GPA can be lower than someone coming out of State U and still be very competitive. It’s sort of like going to Johns Hopkins for undergrad which has a reputation with adcoms for no grade inflation and a rigorous pre-med curriculum. I recently offered a job to a physician who had a 3.2 GPA from Hopkins and got into medical school right away. He’s a young physician too, so it’s not like he’s getting into medical school in the 70s with a 3.2 GPA. He graduated from medical school within the past 10 years.

Good luck on ED2.
 
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GoCubbies said:
Your stats look really good for an AROTC scholarship.

Just as an aside, the pre-med curriculum at WashU is no joke. There’s absolutely no grade inflation going on there. All the required pre-med courses have a well-earned reputation for difficult exams. It starts with General Chemistry the first year. Then comes the first semester of general bio which is offered only in the spring semester. That spring semester of freshman year will be brutal with gen chem, gen bio, and probably calc 2 which is the toughest calc in the sequence. My DD took calc 1 first semester and probability and statistics second semester - and for an A for both. Done. She’s got the 1 year of math required for med school admission without having to take calc 2 (and risk a B or C). Her major didn’t require calc 2. She tested out of calc 1 and WashU offered her calc 2 during her 1st semester freshman year. I told her med schools don’t care about which calc you take. They just care about 1 year of college level math.

Then first semester sophomore year, you get the 2nd semester of gen bio on top of the first semester of organic chemistry. Again, orgo is a sadistic course no matter where you take take- especially at WashU. Many kids take orgo somewhere else during the summer if the major allows.

Many straight A kids get their first Bs and Cs as a freshman at WashU and don’t take it well. My oldest DD said she saw a couple ambulances in her dorm area right before the first gen chem exam because kids were just having breakdowns in anticipation of not getting an A like they’re used to.

The conditions will be set for you to do well on the MCATs because the courses will force you to think and apply the concepts rather than just memorize for the exams.

On another plus side, applying to med school out of WashU is a huge advantage. Adcoms know the reputation of WashU and the rigor of the pre-med curriculum. Your GPA can be lower than someone coming out of State U and still be very competitive. It’s sort of like going to Johns Hopkins for undergrad which has a reputation with adcoms for no grade inflation and a rigorous pre-med curriculum. I recently offered a job to a physician who had a 3.2 GPA from Hopkins and got into medical school right away. He’s a young physician too, so it’s not like he’s getting into medical school in the 70s with a 3.2 GPA. He graduated from medical school within the past 10 years.

Good luck on ED2.
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Thank you so much for the insight! I definitely knew WashU had rigor, but wow, ambulances? Out of curiosity, do you think AROTC would have any effect on an admissions decision at WashU for my ED2 app? Thanks again for the comment!
 
JBfortunecookie1 said:
Thank you so much for the insight! I definitely knew WashU had rigor, but wow, ambulances? Out of curiosity, do you think AROTC would have any effect on an admissions decision at WashU for my ED2 app? Thanks again for the comment!
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Yes, there is an Emergency Support Team staffed by select WashU students. They were answering calls that night for students who had anxiety or panic attacks. During one gen chem exam, my DD said a student just started balling right at the start of the exam. She thought it was the oddest thing that someone would start crying just because the exam seemed difficult.

This is my gut feeling knowing that WashU likes full-pay students. WashU has a reputation for having a large percent of its student body come from a background of wealth. Critics of WashU say it is not diverse enough as indicted by very low percent of students on Pell Grants. At the time, I think the figure was 6-7% of students on Pell Grants compared to, say, the Ivies in the 20+% range.

So, if you have a blank check in your hand from the govt (ie you’re full pay), you’re ED2 (ie you won’t ruin their yield because you will enroll based on your ED app), and your stats are in the school’s sweet spot, I think you’ve got a good chance of getting in. WashU doesn’t have to worry about using some of their large endowment on you.
 
GoCubbies said:
Yes, there is an Emergency Support Team staffed by select WashU students. They were answering calls that night for students who had anxiety or panic attacks. During one gen chem exam, my DD said a student just started balling right at the start of the exam. She thought it was the oddest thing that someone would start crying just because the exam seemed difficult.

This is my gut feeling knowing that WashU likes full-pay students. WashU has a reputation for having a large percent of its student body come from a background of wealth. Critics of WashU say it is not diverse enough as indicted by very low percent of students on Pell Grants. At the time, I think the figure was 6-7% of students on Pell Grants compared to, say, the Ivies in the 20+% range.

So, if you have a blank check in your hand from the govt (ie you’re full pay), you’re ED2 (ie you won’t ruin their yield because you will enroll based on your ED app), and your stats are in the school’s sweet spot, I think you’ve got a good chance of getting in. WashU doesn’t have to worry about using some of their large endowment on you.
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Thank you again for your insight!
 
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