1 vs 2 Nominations

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TimFlyer

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So here in our state my soon has gotten 1 nomination from the 1st Congressman.
The 2nd Senator sent him a letter saying " Your my #1 choice BUT we see you already have a nomination.

My 1st gut feeling is this is wrong. I understand it gives others a chance BUT if a 2nd nomination helps a kids chance getting the appointment then the system seems broken.

Thoughts?
 
Many states do it this way.

If your son could be a number one for a Senator ... his record should be very good. With a nom, he should be in good shape.

Not sure it helps a kids chance - although it does give another slate so it could based on how competitive your son is vs the other candidates in each slate.

No LOA?

Control what you can control.
 
TONS of threads and discussion about this, if you want to spend time reading up on it !
 
One nomination is all you need. Having more than one doesn't increase your chances of offer of appointment. It just gives the SA more options for putting together the puzzle (which is a very different process from determining offers.)
 
Thanks for input.. If he was selected by 2 of the 3 then I’d rationalize he’s in good shape for the Appointment.

then I need to convince him theacademy is better in the long run than the 3 D1 football opportunities he has.
 
I believe (contrary to many outstanding individuals on SAF...you know who you are :) ) that having more than 1 nomination increases one's chances of an appointment mathematically. Academies want you to apply to all sources for a reason. Most will say "you need only one," which is true, but each nomination is another chance for success. I believe the system should be uniform, and multiple nominations should be allowed based on merit. DD is in the same situation. She received one and the other two automatically said no. We are very grateful for the one she has though, and we can't control the process. I've seen candidates on here with 3 or 4 nominations and sometimes multiple nominations to multiple academies!
 
Dadx4 said:
I believe (contrary to many outstanding individuals on SAF...you know who you are :) ) that having more than 1 nomination increases one's chances of an appointment mathematically. Academies want you to apply to all sources for a reason. Most will say "you need only one," which is true, but each nomination is another chance for success. I believe the system should be uniform, and multiple nominations should be allowed based on merit. DD is in the same situation. She received one and the other two automatically said no. We are very grateful for the one she has though, and we can't control the process. I've seen candidates on here with 3 or 4 nominations and sometimes multiple nominations to multiple academies!
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My son attended an overnight at USMA this week. The Admissions Officer who presented to the parents the first morning stated very clearly that 2 nominations is better than 1. He also emphasized to apply for each and every nomination you qualify for. I've seen the forum members dispute this argument with their (flawed) rationale how 2 nominations won't help a candidate because of "winning slates" and all of the other mumbo-jumbo. I will go with what the Admissions Officer told the parents and say unequivocally that (like most things in life) 2 is better than 1.

I'm thinking that this is going to open up a whole Pandora's box of those who disagree, but it shouldn't. This was from THE SOURCE!
 
I believe you are missing the point of the thread. Some states will only give 1 nom to SA
and believe it’s better to give many kids a chance.. on the other side some kids deserve to nom to 1 single academy but states have different procedures
 
TimFlyer said:
missing the point of the thread
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You are correct, Senators and Reps all have different ways of nominating. I was trying to demonstrate that some MOCs give multiple nominations based on merit alone. Reply deleted.
 
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TexasAggie204 said:
My son attended an overnight at USMA this week. The Admissions Officer who presented to the parents the first morning stated very clearly that 2 nominations is better than 1. He also emphasized to apply for each and every nomination you qualify for. I've seen the forum members dispute this argument with their (flawed) rationale how 2 nominations won't help a candidate because of "winning slates" and all of the other mumbo-jumbo. I will go with what the Admissions Officer told the parents and say unequivocally that (like most things in life) 2 is better than 1.

I'm thinking that this is going to open up a whole Pandora's box of those who disagree, but it shouldn't. This was from THE SOURCE!
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I do not think anyone would disagree that two nominations are better than one. The more common statement you see here is that having multiple nominations does not make you a stronger candidate and you are not more likely to get an appointment. I have often answered yes, no , maybe as it just depends on the situation. There is no correlation between the two.
 
I've read dozens of threads on this topic. My DS has 2 noms, 1 from MOC, and 1 from one of our senators. In the other senator's TWE, it was clear that there is coordination between MOCs and Senators in our state. Here's the thought, since most candidates seeking a nom apply to the MOC in their district, they also typically apply to both senators. So senators are drawing from a larger pool of candidates to nominate, many (most? all?) of whom have already received a nom from MOC. There are 19 congressional districts in our state. Let's assume each district nominates a full slate of 10, that means both Senators are drawing from the same pool of 190 candidates to nominate. Senators will be looking to nominate highly qualified candidates, so these logically would come from the MOCs top ten already on a slate. So I think the coordination would have to occur primarily between the Senators. Unless an MOC is told by a Senator's office that candidate A is a principal, that MOC can then nominate someone else (allowing their #11 choice an opportunity). Am I thinking this wrong?
 
MidCakePa said:
One nomination is all you need. Having more than one doesn't increase your chances of offer of appointment. It just gives the SA more options for putting together the puzzle (which is a very different process from determining offers.)
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I believe this is pretty much correct. When we visited I specifically asked the AO we met with if multiple noms help. His answer was, MAYBE, and his explanation was similar to yours. Multiple noms don't get looks from different Boards (there is only one usually), but rather gives the academy the opportunity to fill out the Class as they want. Example, a candidate 1 has a nom from MOC (competitive slate), and a VP nom. Candidate 2 on the same MOC slate the academy wants only has that nom so they can charge the MOC nom to candidate 2 and charge candidate 1's nom to the VP. The academy gets BOTH candidates they want. Gives more flexibility in getting an appointment, but you still have to one of the ones they want...:)
 
Impulsive said:
I believe this is pretty much correct. When we visited I specifically asked the AO we met with if multiple noms help. His answer was, MAYBE, and his explanation was similar to yours. Multiple noms don't get looks from different Boards (there is only one usually), but rather gives the academy the opportunity to fill out the Class as they want. Example, a candidate 1 has a nom from MOC (competitive slate), and a VP nom. Candidate 2 on the same MOC slate the academy wants only has that nom so they can charge the MOC nom to candidate 2 and charge candidate 1's nom to the VP. The academy gets BOTH candidates they want. Gives more flexibility in getting an appointment, but you still have to one of the ones they want...:)
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That’s how it was explained to me at CVW when I was asking the question ... but clearer.
 
And here is a post that explains why it might not improve your chances:


USMAROTCFamily said:
TWE's are definitely going out now. I know a young man who got one. While he was 3Q with 2 nominations, he was told that he was ranked lower than others on the slates and his WCS would not have him in the top group to be competitive/viable in the national at-large group of appointees.
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A1Janitor said:
And here is a post that explains why it might not improve your chances:
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...well, of course ya' still gotta be competitive! No number of noms is going to get a non-competitive candidate appointed. Everyone has accepted (or should) that multiple noms do not help the Candidates' WCS - nor should it.

However, all things being equal, multiple noms help a competitive candidate be appointed due to the rationale described above by Dad_2024 and Impulsive. Also (and perhaps more importantly), very clearly stated in-person by a USMA Admissions Officer to a group of parents just last week.
 
TexasAggie204 said:
...well, of course ya' still gotta be competitive! No number of noms is going to get a non-competitive candidate appointed. Everyone has accepted (or should) that multiple noms do not help the Candidates' WCS - nor should it.

However, all things being equal, multiple noms help a competitive candidate be appointed due to the rationale described above by Dad_2024 and Impulsive. Also (and perhaps more importantly), very clearly stated in-person by a USMA Admissions Officer to a group of parents just last week.
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The question was does two noms increase your chances for appointment.

My answer was not necessarily. It might. It all depends on the competitiveness of the candidate on the slates.

We just don’t know if it does or not.

Competitive candidates with high WCS - their chances don’t improve necessarily either - they might be locks with the one nom for instance.
 
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