2014 profile

Status
Not open for further replies.
Starting in 2012 the Mids have used the name "Camp Techcumsah" label for plebe summer

Mids have been using Camp Tecumseh as a derogatory name for plebe summer since at least before I was a plebe (summer of 2004). Also sometime refer to the institution itself as the Tecumseh Institute for Technology.
 
I would really really like to believe that there is more to the Marcus Curry incident than made it to the public eye. Of course we don't know all the facts, but the latest honor violation report, the fact that he reversed a decision in favor of a football player kind of bothers me. Was it because he was a football player or because he received glowing endorsements from the coach and others. Hard to ascertain. Hope it was the endorsements.

I'm with you and about Curry, I would like to add:
Yes, he was first on the depth chart, but here are the rushing stats for this player:

Season: 80 carries = 7.2 carries /game
585 yards = 53.2 yards per game

Did not play v. Wake Forest, Temple, Notre Dame.

There are others on this team that can duplicate these numbers in the Navy system and you will get a look at them in the fall.

His stat of 7.3 yards per carry loses luster when viewed in context of the season.
 
Imagine this.....
you wake up one morning and discover life is not what you thought it was.
Half of all high school students are forbidden from even applying to the Naval Academy. They can't even do the preliminary application. Can't apply for a Congressional Nomination. It's not that any of them are not qualified. It is simply because of the circumstances of their birth - their gender.
But no one notices, for decades. USNA and West Point, they have applicants; plenty of them. They are filling classes with good students who wish to be groomed into military officers. Suddenly - the social strata changes; seemingly overnight. There was first the whisper. Then the buzz. The naysayers said it would never happen. Some said it might happen but it surely would never work.
In the Fall of 1975 Congress issued the decree. Four Service Academies would be REQUIRED to admit women (USMMA had already begun admitting women).
Nearly overnight Admissions had to act. Not only were they required to accept applications; they were required to actually admit females.

At that time few high school women had access to athletics. Some suspected the female body would not be able to stand up to the physical expectations of a service academy. They were smaller, slower and weaker. High school women had fewer opportunities to take advance math courses in high school. Where Calculus was found; few women were encouraged. Women had significantly lower Math SAT's than the men. Many thought the math required would be too difficult for the female brain. Few women were encouraged to take math and science and fewer encouraged to become engineers.
The good ole' boys were insulted. Women would 'weaken' the program and put our National Security at risk. They simply could not imagine any female high school senior wanting to apply, much less actually graduating. But the Law prevailed. The Service Academies thought about this major transition and decided to do it well and enable females to succeed and graduate.
The "politically correct" of the day figured they needed a certain number of women to make the transition successful. Admitting just a 'token' few would not work.
The next fall nearly 120 women were admitted to West Point and 81 were admitted to the Naval Academy. These women were carefully selected scholars and athletes but the men were furious. They were taking the place of another well qualified male.

Can you believe it? When women were admitted - they, through no fault of their own, had less scholastic, athletic and leadership opportunities than their male peers. Yet, today most would argue that this great 'social experiment' worked. Sounds vaguely familiar..........
Those of you who are younger than 50 may think I am exaggerating, but I assure you; I am not. Not even a little.


You have framed it wrong. One of the biggest complaints about women who first entered the academy is that they could not participate in combat once they graduated. It begged the question: What's the point? To what end are they here?

At the time, back in the mid 70's, that was a very fair question, I think.

Ever read James Webb article Women Can't Fight? This was the type of thinking that prevailed at the time.

I was in the last all male class at the Naval Academy. I watched the place make that rough transition right before my eyes. There were certainly some bumps in the road.

Here is an interesting video.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/video/A-Navy-Plebe-Re-Meets-His-Match.html
 
What's the point? To what end are they here?
Had this thought pattern prevailed, do you think we would be where we are today with women in the Navy? In other words, aren't we fortunate that a few of our more forward-thnking leaders looked beyond the rationalization not to do something but to the long term advantages of doing it properly.

You saw the "rough" transition, the "thought that prevailed" at the time. Looking at the results today, do you think it was wrong?
 
Starting in 2012 the Mids have used the name "Camp Techcumsah" label for plebe summer

Mids have been using Camp Tecumseh as a derogatory name for plebe summer since at least before I was a plebe (summer of 2004). Also sometime refer to the institution itself as the Tecumseh Institute for Technology.

Yes, Mids have been using Camp Tecumseh to refer to plebe summer since 1998 (my plebe summer). The term has also been used to refer to USNA as a whole too.
 
Enough!

This thread too has outlived its usefulness and will be closed. As always, if you want to continue this discussion, take it to Off Topic or Military/Academy News.

Finally, it is NEVER, EVER wise to cite to Webb's Washingtonian article when your mod is a female grad from the early 1980s. Just saying. . .
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top