2019 USMA Cadet Court Martialed

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sean007 said:
I’m sure that Cadet Whisenhunt will take great solace in knowing that he is just a statistical anomaly.

From what I’ve read on the case, Jacob was offered a plea bargain, but turned it down because he felt he was innocent of any crime.

Just to put a face on the convict, I thought I’d link a support group that offer some background. Take a moment to read the thoughts of the people who know this convict best – including soldiers he served with / his WP TAC officer / Pastor / high school teacher and family members.

https://www.change.org/p/dakota-whi...ence-commuted/c?source_location=petition_show


Oh, just an aside, isn’t Chelsea Manning being released next week? You know the person that was convicted of espionage in July 2013. Apparently leaking intel that gets allies and their families killed by the Taliban deserve less of a punishment.


This episode is a complete tragedy all the way around.
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I agree about the tragedy all around. I will even say that it is possible that the assailant believes he is innocent. That belief, however, apparently was not consistent with what the jury heard. The assailant may not have had a solid understanding of consent. This makes it especially important that ALL people pay attention to what constitutes consent. The assailant may engender your sympathy, but the victim does not deserve less than that. She is, after all, according to the court, a victim of a violent crime
 
mmb5 said:
But it isn't simply that. I was not at the trial, but I have been told from two people who were that he initially said that she had texted him inviting him. Phone records proved otherwise.
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Clearly, some of the information that we are receiving is not accurate. I heard from another person that the two had exchanged sexually explicit text messages with one another prior to the incident.
 
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
Clearly, some of the information that we are receiving is not accurate. I heard from another person that the two had exchanged sexually explicit text messages with one another prior to the incident.
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This was addressed at trial. There were no texts. And I am confident that the attorneys would have found them if they existed
 
I am just stunned at some of the comments here.
1. Rape is not about sex or someone's sex drive. It is about power and control.
2. Beached whale and others always refer to the male defendant as "the male cadet" but at times refer to the female cadet as "the girl" and "that gal." I don't see where the male is ever referred to as "the boy." I am in no way an ultra feminist, but that language is very telling about lack of respect for our female officers and cadets/midshipmen.
 
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1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
Clearly, some of the information that we are receiving is not accurate. I heard from another person that the two had exchanged sexually explicit text messages with one another prior to the incident.
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Was that person that gave you that information at the trial? I have spoken to someone that was there....phone records were brought in as evidence. They did not confirm his testimony.
 
MomWPgirl said:
Was that person that gave you that information at the trial? I have spoken to someone that was there....phone records were brought in as evidence. They did not confirm his testimony.
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In this case, the person that gave me the information had spoken to someone who was at the trial. In another case, I spoke to someone that was at the trial, and they provided details that are different than some of the pieces of information you provided earlier.
 
Islandmom4 said:
that language is very telling about lack of respect for our female officers and cadets/midshipmen.
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Stop coming at my damn character. This discussion has nothing to do with me and who I am as a person. I don't disrespect women. I don't disrespect men. That's the end of the discussion. I use words to communicate my thoughts. If you honestly believe that I sit at my computer thinking to myself, "I'm going to use this pronoun to show my respect for this person, and use this pronoun to show my disrespect for this person", I don't know what to tell you. If my message wasn't clear, stop making personal attacks against me.
 
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
I use words to communicate my thoughts. If you honestly believe that I sit at my computer thinking to myself, "I'm going to use this pronoun to show my respect for this person, and use this pronoun to show my disrespect for this person", I don't know what to tell you.
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Language shapes culture. If nothing else, this post shows how little thought you've put into any of your comments. Thank goodness that those participating in the court martial were able to give the case a little more thought than you have.
 
lifelearner said:
Bobby???
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I think Bobby has become the most famous, or maybe infamous, poster on this forum in record time and posts.

I still wish him the best.

Yes, Kinnem, he will not go away. Had to add that.;)
 
So. 1. If there were texts, the defendant would want them brought to trial. 2. If they existed, there would be a record. 3, if there were a record, the attorneys would be able to access it. 4. Even if there were explicit texts that does not prove consent
 
BlahuKahuna said:
Language shapes culture. If nothing else, this post shows how little thought you've put into any of your comments. Thank goodness that those participating in the court martial were able to give the case a little more thought than you have.
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Even though you have insulted me and told me the comments I put a lot of time into were thoughtless, I will not respond with the same level of disrespect. Instead I will leave it at this; instead of critiquing me as a person, please critique the arguments that I have made. Simply saying that I put little thought into my comments doesn't make for a good, or civil, discussion; finding an issue with one of my comments and pointing it out does.
 
xyz321 said:
If there were texts, the defendant would want them brought to trial.
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We don't know that they didn't.

xyz321 said:
2. If they existed, there would be a record. 3, if there were a record, the attorneys would be able to access it.
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Not sure where you are going with this.

xyz321 said:
Even if there were explicit texts that does not prove consent
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I think you will find that there are very few cases in which consent can ever be proven.
 
It is unfortunate, because this subject and discussion is important whether at an SA or public/private university. But, it has seriously digressed to the level of no longer informative or useful to candidates, cadets, mids, or others.
 
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
Because with beating a dog or vandalism, there is clear evidence of the crime. When the issue is consent, things are not so clear. Suzie can say she consents on Sunday, then on Monday she can go to the court house and say she didn't. When it's very clear that a crime took place, obviously no one is going to question a conviction. But in cases such as this where it's simply one person's word against another, things become difficult because there's no evidence of what actually did or did not happen.
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All types of cases have varying degrees of evidence; from loads of incriminating, to limited circumstantial evidence. Some rape cases are slam dunks, some are marginal. Same with malicious destruction of property, animal abuse, or anything else. Whale, you draw a lot of conclusions which are inaccurate. I suspect that is a product of youth and lacking life's experience. You may want to put your comments Inna time capsule to read in 20 years.
 
brovol said:
Whale, you draw a lot of conclusions which are inaccurate.
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Name one (besides what I am about to state). Basically the only conclusion I have come to on this thread is that this person's guilt is questionable. "a lot of conclusions".
 
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1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
I believe he most likely committed the crime.
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1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
I personally do not believe it is very likely that this person is innocent.
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Just curious what makes you believe this? There must be some reasoning or logic behind those statements. You did not have the benefit of sitting in on the trial, hearing testimonies and viewing evidence yet you question the same verdict that you state you believe. Also, are you on the debate team by any chance? LOL
 
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