4 USAFA seniors may not graduate because of COVID shot mandate

VelveteenR said:
Vaccines are designed to stimulate immunity. Some provide permanent protection, some require boosters, some ameliorate disease. It was hoped that the COVID vaccines would provide sterilizing immunity but that could not be guaranteed as this is a novel virus that mutates quickly and science is still working to make the vaccines better. What these vaccines do, very effectively, is prevent serious disease and the spread thereof. The vaccines along with improved treatments have taken this pandemic to endemic levels in a short period of time. That is a huge win for all of us.
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One other thing I don’t understand is the Naval Academy is allowing their non vaccinated to graduate but USAFA isn’t. How is this allowed? If it’s a DOD mandate overall why do different services get to decide differently? If it’s a blanket get vaccinated or leave why are there different requests for waivers throughout? I’m still agains being mandated but they did sign up for it.
 
The Navy is not currently separating anyone who refused (and still refuses) the COVID vaccine AND submitted a religious accommodation request, whether pending or denied. The reason is the court cases brought from a few Navy service members (reference the recent Supreme Court ruling for a partial stay). I also believe the court ruling only applies to the Navy (and maybe Marine Corps), not DoD-wide. So if MIDN submitted an RA, then they can’t currently face adverse action for refusing the vaccine…not allowing them to graduate would probably be considered adverse if they met all other graduation requirements. That isn’t to say if the Supreme Court were to eventually rule in favor of the military, they could still be forced out if they didn’t get the vaccine.
 
This is a quote from a USAFA graduate who is trying to help these Cadets.

"These are evangelical Christian cadets, who are pro-life, and they object to the fact that the vaccines were tested on aborted fetal stem cell lines. Because of their objection to abortion, their conscience will not let them … inject this particular drug into their own bodies."

I can not count the times I've heard "my body, my choice" in the last few weeks. I guess that saying only works for killing an unborn baby; it doesn't work for injecting a vaccine in the body of a healthy young adult that statistically speaking, is more likely to die from a drug overdose than COVID-19.

I understand that when you sign up for the military you give up many rights other civilians enjoy........religious freedoms should not be one of the rights you give up.

BTW, I am vaccinated. It was my CHOICE!
 
swatdude said:
This is a quote from a USAFA graduate who is trying to help these Cadets.

"These are evangelical Christian cadets, who are pro-life, and they object to the fact that the vaccines were tested on aborted fetal stem cell lines. Because of their objection to abortion, their conscience will not let them … inject this particular drug into their own bodies."

I can not count the times I've heard "my body, my choice" in the last few weeks. I guess that saying only works for killing an unborn baby; it doesn't work for injecting a vaccine in the body of a healthy young adult that statistically speaking, is more likely to die from a drug overdose than COVID-19.

I understand that when you sign up for the military you give up many rights other civilians enjoy........religious freedoms should not be one of the rights you give up.

BTW, I am vaccinated. It was my CHOICE!
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Hope they haven’t been using acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.
 
unkown1961 said:
Hope they haven’t been using acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.
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I'm not sure if they use those medications or not, but I'm pretty sure the U.S. Government doesn't force them to take those medications.
 
swatdude said:
This is a quote from a USAFA graduate who is trying to help these Cadets.

"These are evangelical Christian cadets, who are pro-life, and they object to the fact that the vaccines were tested on aborted fetal stem cell lines. Because of their objection to abortion, their conscience will not let them … inject this particular drug into their own bodies."

I can not count the times I've heard "my body, my choice" in the last few weeks. I guess that saying only works for killing an unborn baby; it doesn't work for injecting a vaccine in the body of a healthy young adult that statistically speaking, is more likely to die from a drug overdose than COVID-19.

I understand that when you sign up for the military you give up many rights other civilians enjoy........religious freedoms should not be one of the rights you give up.

BTW, I am vaccinated. It was my CHOICE!
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My question is, have they also requested and received religious exemption from the other vaccines that also use stem cell lines. If not, their argument doesnt hold water.
 
Bigrod said:
www.foxnews.com

Air Force cadets may not graduate after refusing COVID vaccine

Four Air Force Academy cadets may not graduate after they refused to get vaccinated against the coronavirus.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

I still think it’s a load of crap this so called vaccine is mandated. True vaccines kept you from getting a disease, this is not that.
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Kick 'em out if they can't follow orders. They'll spend the rest of their lives making up excused for people who either don't care or don't believe them. Heck, might even be a seat in North Carolina opening up they could run for...
 
swatdude said:
I'm not sure if they use those medications or not, but I'm pretty sure the U.S. Government doesn't force them to take those medications.
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The question is not whether they are forced to take these medications it is have they (like pretty much all of us) regular taken medication their whole lives whose development included stem cell testing and for that matter, when they rolled up their arms to get the many jabs already required by the military did they ever stop to question the testing histories of those vaccines?

Iif the answer to either of those questions is no, I think we can safely say that they are not actually concerned in the slightest about aborted stem cell lines, they are simply trying to make a political point and choosing to be martyrs over choosing to fulfill their commitment they to serve and to follow lawful orders.
 
Emsa said:
And yet in relation to most things, entirely true 👍
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Leave me alone it’s my body!

I’m totally kidding. I’m just tired of fighting everybody on every freaking issue these days. I can’t even think straight anymore. Can we just go drink about 3 beers each, eat bacon, shake hands, wave the flag and move forward? That’s gotta be healthier somehow…
 
VelveteenR said:
Anyone who thinks this is either misinformed or hasn't been paying attention. That was the initial hope but was never promised by the manufacturers or any reputable source.

I'm astounded by the number of people who think that a vaccine that is almost 100% effective at preventing serious disease (the main goal) is anything less than a miracle.
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I think the vaccines did a fine job with the original version of Covid. However since then, we have had several variants while the vaccine has stayed the same. Having said that most people who were vaccinated but contracted the disease had a much lower hospitalization rate than those who didn't. Let be honest, the original Covid which was harsher than the current version, was for the most part either a disease that gave you anywhere from no symptoms to a mild cold to the strong flu. The problem was that it killed a percentage of the population. Without the deaths, Covid would be just be another flu season. The vaccine, however it works in preventing the disease, itself has done a nice job of preventing deaths.
 
I have no sympathy for them. They knew coming in or the very least once they were in that the academy would force them to take every vaccine including the kitchen sink. We can argue all we want about how well the vaccine works. That isn't the point. The military or the President or someone in charge decided that all members of the military must be vaccinated. This idea of getting a religious exemption is even crazier. I still don't know what religion permits the Chicken Pox vaccine (for example) but is against the Covid vaccine. The military has its view and the cadets have their own view. The problem is that they work for the military and not the other way around. I don't know if i would make them repay the tuition but for sure they don't belong in the military if they cant follow a legal order.
 
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The older I get it seems the less I understand about these new age woke folks no matter which side of the, it’s all about me and my personal rights , political social spectrum they sit on.

In my day those who refused to follow military orders, including the killing of non combatant civilians who were working at some mundane job before our bombs blew them away , the true pacifists, those that were just cowards, or those too busy with other priorities , most seemed to have the good sense to fake an injury, fake a sickness, fake being too gay for the draft board , or just pray to the gods they never got drafted——- or they just snuck off to Canada.

That actually made a lot of sense to me.

Now those exact same type of folks who have a problem following military orders want to be military officers :)

As an AD guest speaker addressing this past academic year at one of our 3 military prep schools said to the class at the school——it makes no difference which prep school the argument is the same——why are you here he asked——to become killers.

That is the only reason you are here to learn to become killers.

He might have also added——-and to learn to follow orders.

What next——my Bible or Koran says this is a bad deployment against gods wishes and I will sit this one out? Or my bible or Koran says this is a bad potus and I will not follow their orders?
 
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