Advice on applying!!!

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I’m a rising senior and just learned about the USMA (ik late) and I realised its the pERFECT place for me, and i really really need advice on applying.
As you can guess i no close to nothing about the military and have no one close to me who knows anything about the military, but I’ve always wanted to ‘do something like the military’ (military) but i always thought it was out of reach but i really want to go to USMA. Do you think I have a chance?

I have really good academics because I’m chinese and ive been in gymnastics since i was 5 and competed in level 6 then stopped for high school gymnastics. Please please please let me know and any advice at all is greatly appreciated.
P.S. its a couple weeks into the summer of my senior year, and i havent done anything to apply except fill in the candidate questionnaire.
 
I’m a rising senior and just learned about the USMA (ik late) and I realised its the pERFECT place for me, and i really really need advice on applying.
As you can guess i no close to nothing about the military and have no one close to me who knows anything about the military, but I’ve always wanted to ‘do something like the military’ (military) but i always thought it was out of reach but i really want to go to USMA. Do you think I have a chance?

I have really good academics because I’m chinese and ive been in gymnastics since i was 5 and competed in level 6 then stopped for high school gymnastics. Please please please let me know and any advice at all is greatly appreciated.
P.S. its a couple weeks into the summer of my senior year, and i havent done anything to apply except fill in the candidate questionnaire.

No one here can judge your chances without seeing your complete application, with transcripts, sports , leadership etc.

However, a simple tip would be to treat all written communications with grammatical respect (meaning don't type like you're texting to a classmate).

Another issue, is being Chinese means absolutely nothing with regard to academics. You can be a Chinese-American and still suck at calculus (that was me 45 years ago so I pursued a career in finance). It is presumptuous and somewhat arrogant to assume everyone on this forum believes being Chinese implies academic excellence.

By all means pursue the application and read your primary sources of information (USMA.EDU and others). Use this forum to answer "gray area" type questions and gain clarity. If on the other hand you don't receive an appointment, remember Army ROTC can get you to the same 2LT commission. My own DS is a current Abrams platoon leader with a combat deployment under his belt, and he commissioned via Army ROTC. Once you are a junior officer, no one cares how you got there - only that you do your job well.

Nonetheless, good luck in your pursuit of an appointment. By all means you should apply otherwise you will always wonder "what if." However don't forget to begin working on your Plan B for AROTC if you don't receive the appointment.
 
Though most people start preparing in the junior year or before, it can be done if you get yourself organized. The advice below is something I copy and paste several times a year. Some ot it might be useful to you.
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This is my standard advice, which I copy and paste several times a year.

You are at the right time to begin serious research.



The service academy application process itself tests for qualities and attributes desirable in future junior officers: attention to detail, executive planning and organizing, time management, task prioritization, humility, perseverance, patience. Take ownership of the process.



If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on your sa.edu of choice sites, taking notes and starting to build out an extended timeline of action items and long-term due dates, now is a great time. That is your primary source, and most answers are there.



Do the same kind of research into alternative paths to commissioning, such as ROTC and related scholarships. That is a prudent thing to do, and shows no lack of commitment to an SA. Additionally, a college ROTC unit is another nomination source, if you find yourself re-applying after a SA turndown. There will be thousands of candidates building HS resumes with similar stats, plus college re-applicants; leave no opportunity unexplored. Presumably, your prime goal is to commission as an X officer, with USXA your preferred path. It’s not the only path. Re-applicants to SAs make up a chunk of each class.



Take this time to research all five of the Federal service academies, and subsequent career paths, so you can make an informed decision about ruling them in or out. It’s very important to look past the interim waystation of 4 SA or college ROTC years to see if there are at least a good handful of career paths you could see yourself doing for a minimum of 5-6 years or whatever the applicable minimum active duty service obligation is.



For those interested in a Navy career, don’t overlook the Navy Nuclear Power Officer Candidate (NUPOC) program and the Civil Engineering Corps (CEC) officer program (think SEABEEs). These are college programs with financial assistance, but no ROTC time commitment.



Go to your elected officials’ websites (2 Sen, 1 Rep), read and take notes on their service academy nomination process. They can choose submission deadlines, interviews or not, panel interviews, any method they want. If they are having a F2F or virtual info session, sign up and soak it in, so you are well-prepared for your cycle, even a few years out. Stay current with that site, in case the elected official changes.



Apply for all nominations for which you are eligible, including the VP at the DOD service academies. This gives the SA max flexibility, if they want to offer you an appointment, as to what nom authority they eventually charge the appointment to.



Go to the DoDMERB site, the entity which does the physical qualification of candidates. Explore each menu item on the left. This often turns into one of the most frustrating and time-using aspects of the process. Get smart on it now so you won’t be surprised. There are some medications that must be discontinued for a certain period of time. IEPs and accommodations also are off the table at a certain point.



Research the CFA or applicable fitness test for the SA or program of interest. Assess yourself and develop a training plan. Women, learn to do pull-ups. It’s worth more points, and you will value that strength and confidence. Do not procrastinate when it’s your cycle. Leaving it too late invites illness, injury, bad weather, family emergency or sudden non-availability of your test administrator or video person, if that is required. There are YouTube videos on various techniques Google Stew Smith’s website and YouTube videos; he’s a USNA grad, former Navy SEAL, now a fitness pro.



If you are a non-swimmer or not a confident swimmer, take some adult swim classes at the Y or other program to get more comfortable in a pool. Though the SAs will teach you to swim to meet various required tests, you don’t want to spend precious time in remedial swim. It’s a good life skill anyway.



Here on SAF, read the Stickies at the top of the Nominations and DoDMERB forums. There is also The Acronym List on the Home page if you haven’t found it yet.



There is a Search function tool inside SAF, and google works well when you include “site:serviceacademyforums.com” in the string. The same questions come up every year. The “Chance Me” and “stats” threads can be illuminating as to ideas for summer leadership programs such as Boys State and Girls State, and other competitive elements. The SA summer programs in your rising senior summer are worth looking into to get a feel for that SA.



There is no one cookie-cutter magic formula; a class is made up of individuals who bring different combinations of strengths.



If you are not involved in a sport, be sure you prepare well for the CFA to prove basic physical ability, and also ensure your other activities supply the leadership, collaboration skills, work ethic, time investment and discipline learned in a sport.



Don’t overlook the Senior Military Colleges (SMCs), which offer a military-type environment and structure, as well as paths to a commission. Some are only Army ROTC; some have Army plus other service ROTC.

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List of Colleges & Universities | GoArmy.com

The Army ROTC training program is held at select schools across the country. Visit goarmy.com for a list of these military colleges & universities.



Research the state maritime academies, which also offer commissioning programs.

Maritime Academies | MARAD

Studying merchant marine operations at the university level is a core component of MARAD's education strategy; particularly its essential responsibility to meet national security needs and maintain maritime defense readiness. The six maritime academies and USMMA meet that need by educating young...

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Create your organization system - binders, folders, spreadsheets, calendars, wall boards, whatever works for you to plan, track and execute. Many apply to multiple SAs, nom sources, ROTC scholarships, ROTC schools, etc.



Finally, stay flexible and open to the paths that open before you. The key is to show sustained performance, personal growth and achievement in a well-rounded person.
 
I’m a rising senior and just learned about the USMA (ik late) and I realised its the pERFECT place for me, and i really really need advice on applying.
As you can guess i no close to nothing about the military and have no one close to me who knows anything about the military, but I’ve always wanted to ‘do something like the military’ (military) but i always thought it was out of reach but i really want to go to USMA. Do you think I have a chance?

I have really good academics because I’m chinese and ive been in gymnastics since i was 5 and competed in level 6 then stopped for high school gymnastics. Please please please let me know and any advice at all is greatly appreciated.
P.S. its a couple weeks into the summer of my senior year, and i havent done anything to apply except fill in the candidate questionnaire.
You can't say USMA is the perfect place for you then proceed to say you know close to nothing about the military, that doesn't make sense. Before you waste a ton of time filling out the application you should ask your parents if they know someone who has served. Your parents will know at least someone and if they don't find a random person of the street and they will. Talk to them, then talk to more people, and research more and more. Then figure out if you want to pursue the very long application process
 
No one here can judge your chances without seeing your complete application, with transcripts, sports , leadership etc.

However, a simple tip would be to treat all written communications with grammatical respect (meaning don't type like you're texting to a classmate).

Another issue, is being Chinese means absolutely nothing with regard to academics. You can be a Chinese-American and still suck at calculus (that was me 45 years ago so I pursued a career in finance). It is presumptuous and somewhat arrogant to assume everyone on this forum believes being Chinese implies academic excellence.

By all means pursue the application and read your primary sources of information (USMA.EDU and others). Use this forum to answer "gray area" type questions and gain clarity. If on the other hand you don't receive an appointment, remember Army ROTC can get you to the same 2LT commission. My own DS is a current Abrams platoon leader with a combat deployment under his belt, and he commissioned via Army ROTC. Once you are a junior officer, no one cares how you got there - only that you do your job well.

Nonetheless, good luck in your pursuit of an appointment. By all means you should apply otherwise you will always wonder "what if." However don't forget to begin working on your Plan B for AROTC if you don't receive the appointment.
I said “because i am chinese” because the only reason i have good academics is because i am chinese and my parents are stereotypical chinese, although to be fair i dont meet their highest standards.

But i have a 3.94 gpa and a 1450 on the sat but i have to retake to a 1580.
I was president of Key club (2021-2022)
I am current president of DECA (2022-2023)
Captian of gymnastics team (2021-2023)
AP CS A Score: 4
AP CS Principles Score: waiting
I am also in the cambridge program if you’ve heard of it, so i have taken:
the equivalent to AP English Lang: 5
rhe equivalent to AP English Lit: waiting
Some weird combination of pure math, stats, and calc
The equivalent to AP Chem: waiting

Awards:
made it to internationals in DECA
elected for ltg of key club (if you dont know what it is its a position in key club international not school affiliated)
Gymnastics state beam and vault qualifier

Jobs/volunteering:
Teacher at coding place for kids
Server at senior home
Horse chores at horse rescue

I think thats mostly all, are you able to make a prediction based on that?
 
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You can't say USMA is the perfect place for you then proceed to say you know close to nothing about the military, that doesn't make sense. Before you waste a ton of time filling out the application you should ask your parents if they know someone who has served. Your parents will know at least someone and if they don't find a random person of the street and they will. Talk to them, then talk to more people, and research more and more. Then figure out if you want to pursue the very long application process
I already researched a bit, and I’ve always wanted to “do something like the military” (literally just the military) without knowing so i think it is perfect for me, however you can judge for yourself because that’s why i am also unsure.
 
so how good are you at gymnastics? Good enough to compete in college?

If so contact the coaches at once. If the coaches want you then you will have a much different path (and a lot quicker) than most.

I’d also contact the coaches at the other service academies.
 
My dad is making me retake the sat to get a 1580
get a job instead of trying to study 10 hours today. it will help a bunch, it will give you more team stuff to put on your resume and you will make money, your team stuff is probably lacking the most, gymastics is an individual sport and you only have a couple clubs. You dont need to have a 1580 for WP, they want all around good candidates
 
so how good are you at gymnastics? Good enough to compete in college?

If so contact the coaches at once. If the coaches want you then you will have a much different path (and a lot quicker) than most.

I’d also contact the coaches at the other service academies.
No i am not good at all at least anymore. I used to be decent but i quit actually practicing to be good for high school gymnastics because my school has a team, and now i am significantly worse. So thats not an option for me sadly
 
get a job instead of trying to study 10 hours today. it will help a bunch, it will give you more team stuff to put on your resume and you will make money, your team stuff is probably lacking the most, gymastics is an individual sport and you only have a couple clubs. You dont need to have a 1580 for WP, they want all around good candidates
Oh im also teaching at a place that teaches little kids how to code and i worked at a senior home as a server. Also volunteered at a horse rescue place and my commitment to these 2 clubs is significant which is why theres only 2. And Tell my dad what you said about not needing the 1580. But colleges also have higher academic standards for chinese. Its not like i want to study 10 hours a day, my dad makes me.
 
Have you submitted enough information that a Second Step Kit was released to your candidate portal? If not, then you should get to work on that immediately to open the application window. At a glance, your statistics and information make you appear to be a competitive candidate.

My biggest concern would be your motivation for attending West Point. Why do you think it is the "perfect place" for you? If it is for any other reason than leading you to a career of service in the Army, then you should probably reevaluate if it is the place for you. Your initial comments make me think of the many candidates who have entered West Point over the years only to get there and find "the Army" is not for them and drop out. That becomes a wasted opportunity for another potential candidate.
 
Have you submitted enough information that a Second Step Kit was released to your candidate portal? If not, then you should get to work on that immediately to open the application window. At a glance, your statistics and information make you appear to be a competitive candidate.

My biggest concern would be your motivation for attending West Point. Why do you think it is the "perfect place" for you? If it is for any other reason than leading you to a career of service in the Army, then you should probably reevaluate if it is the place for you. Your initial comments make me think of the many candidates who have entered West Point over the years only to get there and find "the Army" is not for them and drop out. That becomes a wasted opportunity for another potential candidate.
Oh well here’s where you can tell me if my reasons are good too because i did have that thought. I mainly think it’s perfect for me because you get to be part of something bigger than yourself and the lessons and values you gain from pushing yourself and experiencing a place like west point are ones that i think are extremely important, and yes i do want to be in the military; i want to do other stuff too but i do want to be in the army and help others. I also want to meet others who are driven and want to do good and want to grow and learn as well.
 
Since WP can be a reach for even top students, let me suggest that in addition to looking into ROTC (you have to get your application in during the fall - check for the deadline), that you also consider applying to the senior military colleges.

And please start following the advice that you were given by AROTC-dad and start writing in grammatically correct sentences.
 
Since WP can be a reach for even top students, let me suggest that in addition to looking into ROTC (you have to get your application in during the fall - check for the deadline), that you also consider applying to the senior military colleges.

And please start following the advice that you were given by AROTC-dad and start writing in grammatically correct sentences.
This is just a forum, do i actually have to write in grammatically correct sentences here? I will if its necessary. Also yeah im waiting to register for rotc because the email goarmy.org sent me said they dont talk to ppl under 17. Whats senior military colleges?
 
This is just a forum, do i actually have to write in grammatically correct sentences here? I will if its necessary. Also yeah im waiting to register for rotc because the email goarmy.org sent me said they dont talk to ppl under 17. Whats senior military colleges?
It isn’t required, but your posts come off as continuous streams of consciousness. You’ll probably get some better feedback if people don’t get lost trying to figure out what you’re asking. It’s also good practice seeing as you know no one here, and a lot of the folks you’re asking for advice are senior to you in experience. If you want them to take you seriously, attention to detail helps even if it’s just a forum.
 
And if you are not receiving a prompt response on “whats (sic) senior military colleges,” then it’s a matter of seconds to exercise your future junior officer initiative, self-reliance and problem-solving ability to create a google search string. You’ll be doing a lot of that as you do the executive skills legwork on application processes for service academies, nominations, universities and ROTC.
 
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