AFA class of 2017 filling up!

When it comes to this forum, and appointments, topics like this can be difficult for many people. It gets even more difficult to comprehend when there are so many individuals who do not receive an appointment. But there are so many facets of this topic that many people overlook.

1. As I and others have pointed out, this individual has NOT received an appointment to the academy yet. Simply a coach that is offering him the opportunity, should all the stars align properly. No different that any other school.
2. How many times have we discussed that the academies want a "Well Rounded" individual. This person has a 3.8+gpa and also a star athlete. That commitment to both says a lot. Chances are, he's also involved in other school and community activities; but some people are assuming he's not. "Because he's an athlete".
3. In the "College Athletic World", the word "Committed" is simply a word that means you choose to play your sport at a particular school. It is separate from being accepted. I've seen many non-academy athletes who committed to a particular school, but because of the entrance requirements, were not able to attend.
4. This is WAY too early to determine if he's only interested in the academy because a coach spoke with his, or if he truly wants to serve.

I was so happy my son received an early appointment to the academy in November 2007. Why; because he was also an athlete, and there are a lot of stereotypes about athletes. Even at the high schools. So when he was recruited by air force to play football, and he already had an early appointment with a presidential nomination, that made it easier to say he made it to the academy not just because of sports. He was ranked #1 in his class. Took the entire IB program. Received the IB diploma. Always had a 4.0gpa; never had less than an "A". Had all the boy's state, community, leadership, etc... But the stereotypes remained. Even in his high school. He was the only football player who was in the IB program. No one thought you could do both. No way could you be a star athlete and be the class Valedictorian, and be offered academic scholarships to multiple schools. Excelling in athletics, academics, and socially did have it's conflicts. He could hang out and walk down the halls with the jocks, and stop in stride to talk to a fellow IB student about an upcoming math competition; while also dating the head cheerleader and being friends with some of the computer nerds.

We had to explain to a lot of people "Especially on National Signing Day for Football", that he had received his appointment PRIOR to being formally recruited and blue chipped. But at least we knew the truth.

So I think that this early in the process, some people need to back off of this young man. Deal with only the facts. 1) He wants to go to the academy and serve: "He said so". 2) He has a 3.8+ gpa. 3) He's a stellar athlete. I've seen 4.0gpa students NOT receive an appointment, because they had NOTHING ELSE. No sports, leadership, teamwork, etc... The academies/military want a well rounded person. And because of the physical and teamwork factors involved, HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS has a high percentage chance of building this type of person. 90%+ of ALL cadets have a varsity letter in some sport. If this was MIT, we probably would care as much about physical fitness and teamwork. But it's the military. We do care about athletics in a person. Plus; as much as some hate to admit it, college sports brings in money to the school; and the academies are no different. They need money. Not everything is paid for by tax dollars. So finding a balance between inter-collegiate athletics and academics is very difficult for the academies. "Hence, why we aren't the superstar college sports school like USC, Michigan, Ohio State, etc...". Give this kid a break. Until you find out that all his classes were basket weaving and home-ec, there's absolutely no reason to be down on him. He's actually a great example of the type of cadet the academies want. Great academics and great athletics.

Have some athletes made it to the academy with not so stellar academics or additional attributes? Yes, we all know that some do. But this kid doesn't seem to be one of them.
 
My only question is the article states he is a senior. Why is he entering in2013?
 
My only question is the article states he is a senior. Why is he entering in2013?

Most all high level hockey players enter college after a couple of years playing in the juniors. So it is not a reflection on the student, rather it is indicative of a sport where the typical age of an incoming freshman hockey player is about 20.

I really hesitated writing anything in this thread. The title is a bit misleading and it appears that the person who started this thread either did not read the article or simply misrepresented it. There are some others who also chimed in and made some critical comments about the quality of education at USAFA, but the class profiles of the students who are appointed do not seem to support their contentions. As for me, I am impressed with the appointees that I met at the AOG dinner, and from what I have heard from current cadets about the quality of instruction they have recieved at the academy. That is enough for me and I have no intention of posting another response in this thread.
 
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That is very true. A kid that played ice hockey with my son will be entering college next year after playing three years of junior hockey. My son will be a senior when he is a freshman. It's a tough sport. He has lived with a host family away from home for the last three years.
 
OK! I am reading the article and it is mentioning this hokey player with a 3.8 GPA. Well done Dau! What it doesn't mention is everything he did outside of hokey. All candidates have a sport. Community service? AP an Honors? OH, lets not forget the college courses some took while in AP classes and still achieved A's. I get the picture of athletic recruiting. What I don't get is with MY HARD EARNED DOLLAR PAYING FOR IT! At one time, USAFA was consider the "Ivy League" of military education. Today......I think NOT.

I was curious and looked back at some of your post history. It made me wonder if you would be saying this under slightly more favorable circumstances... I think not.
 
OK! I am reading the article and it is mentioning this hokey player with a 3.8 GPA. Well done Dau! What it doesn't mention is everything he did outside of hokey. All candidates have a sport. Community service? AP an Honors? OH, lets not forget the college courses some took while in AP classes and still achieved A's. I get the picture of athletic recruiting. What I don't get is with MY HARD EARNED DOLLAR PAYING FOR IT! At one time, USAFA was consider the "Ivy League" of military education. Today......I think NOT.
Considering USAFA is consistently ranked as having some of the best undergrad programs in the country, the best access to faculty, and has won "Best of the West" by US News and World Reports several years running, I am wondering what you base your conclusion on.
 
Consider yourself one of the lucky. I sit and see the many cords adorning daughter's graduation gown. Just this week my son, (sophomore at Notre Dame) was chosen to work hand in hand with a professor's research project on thermal proton lasers on DNA and offered co-publishing) Do I wish any of my kids back into USAFA? I do not. My husband hangs on to the memories of the USAFA he attended; however, he admits it is not the same.

I do consider myself fortunate as do all other cadets.
 
I think pride is getting in the way regarding how posts are being perceived by others.

The fact is any parent who attended or served in the AF served in a different climate. I can state back in the early 2000's old timers called new pilots and wso's...SNAPs and SNAWs....Sensitive New Age Pilot/WSO.

The term became common place because what was occurring at that point wouldn't have even been thought of, let alone approached regarding attitudes when they were a Lt.

However, this is not the parent's AF anymore. So the fact is it should be respected that the AFA has a plan, one that 20-25 yrs earlier the generation before you felt the same way, but didn't call you a SNAP or SNAW.

Changes happen.

For cadets and recent grads, I understand you may feel like your AFA is being slammed take your protection perspective out of the equation. Can you not agree that the SA's really have started to tilt to recruit athletes and are using the prep school as a red shirt program? Let's be honest, this topic was huge regarding the USNA, so it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to expect it to float to the AFA.

Look, I have to say, I too pay tax dollars and a few yrs ago, 2 AFA cadets at a football game told me one of the cheerleaders was given an LOA, that same cheerleader was unable to pass the PT.

FYI, I found this out because as she was being flown into the air, I said aloud: IS SHE FLIPPING NUTS? WHAT IF SHE INJURES HERSELF IN A FALL? SHE COULD BE DQ'D MEDICALLY!

Response: She was recruited as a cheerleader.:eek::bang::scratch::wow::confused1:

Response: You are BSing me

Respone: Nope, not only that, but she failed the PT and is what we call remediation.

Sorry, but a slot at the AFA was taken up for a cheerleader? A cheerleader who could not meet the PT requirements?

I am with usafa84's perspective because that is not the AFA 20 yrs ago. That is not the new generation and multi-million dollar pay outs to schools for nationalized games. Sometimes it is about the buck.

For this generation, I get your POV, but trust me in 10, 20, 25 yrs from now
you will look at the SA with the same perspective.

You know that cliche your folks always say to you: Just wait until you are a parent, than you will understand or In My Day....

The same is true, just wait, in a decade you too will be saying the same type of comment 84 stated. I am more than happy to take that bet. Mike can hold the money.

A few yrs ago, an O3 went back to the AFA, and he came back venting about what cadets get away with to other AFA grads (including O5/6s) he was laughed out of the room because they re-told their war stories of the AFA. He was also given a shot of Weed and told "WELCOME to the old fogies club".

OBTW Fogies was not the term, pretty sure you all know what the real term was.

Also have to say a friend that was an 81 grad refuses to go back to the AFA anymore for reunions because he stated at the last one he didn't recognize the life these cadets live to what he lived. Something about candles flipped him out.

I am not trying to flame. Just trying to explain how perspectives can differ. How an innocent comment by a poster is taken as a slam. How you too soon enough will say: "They have it so much easier, or back in my day..."
 
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Also have to say a friend that was an 81 grad refuses to go back to the AFA anymore for reunions because he stated at the last one he didn't recognize the life these cadets live to what he lived. Something about candles flipped him out.

:mad:What a close-minded attitude he/she has, and ungrateful, too, for what these "Millennials" are willing to lay on the line the day they graduate--like THEIR LIVES. I am a grad of the same (early 80s) era, and I have loved going back. At my last reunion when I ate a meal or two in Mitch's with current cadets I was filled with pride. Unlike Mr/Ms "81", they are attending USAFA during wartime, and will graduate knowing fully we will still likely be at war when they do. As cadets they train for things we could not imagine, like anti-terrorism and urban warfare. I watched some of the exercises they were doing in the parking lot one day. Wow, I was impressed. It's a different world, and by God, in my opinion we older vets could not be handing over responsibility to a better, and better equipped generation!! :thumb::thumb: For that, I'll BUY them candles if that makes it easier. Sheesh.
 
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Couldn't agree with you more flyer...I couldn't image my generation of post-Vietnam Boomers doing anything equivalent to what this generation has endured over the past decade. Much more self-less than self-centered. "Giving back" for my generation is standing there with your hand open. If USAFA hasn't evolved along with the rest of the military over the past 30 years then we would be in big trouble. You hear similar longing for the "days of the giants" within the medical field but NO WAY would I want go back to 1984. Bottom line...we weren't as good as we thought we were.
 
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