AFROTC 2015 Enrollment Allocations
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I've been told it's March 20th. the 29th is a Sunday and I doubt they would release them on a non business day right?
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That's right. They wont release them on a weekend. I've read up on this in the past and that was the conclusion. I'm just hoping we can find out as soon as possible if we received one. I would hate to wait a whole weekend and then until LLAB on Wednesday to find out.
BTW just wondering when you all have LLAB? I hear some dets. are lucky and get to have theirs in the afternoon.
In AFROTC you have to compete for an enrollment allocation (EA). This is basically your pass to attend field training. You have to successfully complete field training to enter the professional officer course (POC). When cadets are in their AS200 (sophomore) year, they are competed based on a score called the order of merit. They compete on a national level and must be selected (a.k.a given an enrollment allocation) to attend field training the summer prior to starting the AS300 year. Everyone must compete for an EA, even cadets on scholarship.
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To add on....
The selection board does not know which cadet is on scholarship and which cadet is not. In AF terms it is called "masked".if not selected there is a very high chance they will be disenrolled from AFROTC.
~~~ hence, why they call it a 2 + 2 scholarship. First two years are guaranteed, if selected and graduated from Summer Field Training (SFT) than they will pay the next 2 years.
Although the AFROTC paperwork for the scholarship will state they must maintain at least a 2.5 GPA, the avg cgpa for tech majors are @ 3.1 and for nontech it is closer to 3.4. This was true when they had a 55% selection rate and when they had 90% selected.
Fwiw..his PFA will matter too! The avg score is high 90w.
The selection board does not know which cadet is on scholarship and which cadet is not. In AF terms it is called "masked".if not selected there is a very high chance they will be disenrolled from AFROTC.
~~~ hence, why they call it a 2 + 2 scholarship. First two years are guaranteed, if selected and graduated from Summer Field Training (SFT) than they will pay the next 2 years.
Although the AFROTC paperwork for the scholarship will state they must maintain at least a 2.5 GPA, the avg cgpa for tech majors are @ 3.1 and for nontech it is closer to 3.4. This was true when they had a 55% selection rate and when they had 90% selected.
Fwiw..his PFA will matter too! The avg score is high 90w.
Our LLAB is on Thursday's at 0600 but it might be changed to Wednesday at 1630
Hey everyone, I posted this in another EA thread posted a little while back. Here it is so you get a good guess on what EAs may look.
Just wait it out until spring. I went through FT this past summer and I remember about this time I joined this forum looking for answers when EAs would come out and what the chances look like. In reality, there is no way of knowing until they actually come down from HQ. Try not to get your hopes too high or low with what you hear because things can change in the blink of an eye.
I know with my class and the class before mine, we were supposed to know by mid march but did not hear anything until the end of April, then I did not hear I was going to Max 1 until a week before I left so be ready for anything. Last year's selection rates were the following:
2,650 cadets nominated
1,590 selected
1,060 non-selected
Overall Select Rate: 60%
Tech Select: 65.5%
Rated Selects: 60.4%
Non-Tech/non-rated select: 17%
Nurse Select Rate: 43%
Select Averages:
CGPA: 3.38
SAT/ACT: 1287/27
PFT: 96.8
Also, remember that academics comes first. If you receive below a 2.5GPA this coming semester, you will not contract in the fall and actually have the chance of having your EA revoked. Studying your FT manual is important but academics is way more important
Edit: Additionally, sometimes they will release on a weekend but your commander won't release until they want to (some people will hear right away over the phone, others will have to wait a week or two until their Commander holds a meeting.)
Just wait it out until spring. I went through FT this past summer and I remember about this time I joined this forum looking for answers when EAs would come out and what the chances look like. In reality, there is no way of knowing until they actually come down from HQ. Try not to get your hopes too high or low with what you hear because things can change in the blink of an eye.
I know with my class and the class before mine, we were supposed to know by mid march but did not hear anything until the end of April, then I did not hear I was going to Max 1 until a week before I left so be ready for anything. Last year's selection rates were the following:
2,650 cadets nominated
1,590 selected
1,060 non-selected
Overall Select Rate: 60%
Tech Select: 65.5%
Rated Selects: 60.4%
Non-Tech/non-rated select: 17%
Nurse Select Rate: 43%
Select Averages:
CGPA: 3.38
SAT/ACT: 1287/27
PFT: 96.8
Also, remember that academics comes first. If you receive below a 2.5GPA this coming semester, you will not contract in the fall and actually have the chance of having your EA revoked. Studying your FT manual is important but academics is way more important
Edit: Additionally, sometimes they will release on a weekend but your commander won't release until they want to (some people will hear right away over the phone, others will have to wait a week or two until their Commander holds a meeting.)
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I am not going to be Holly be Happy or Janie Raincloud, but just remind every 200/250/500 that for the AF selection rate is based on numbers needed for that year group.
For years it was 55% nationally and than all of the sudden they jumped to 90%+, and a few years later it went back down to the range it was years prior.
Nobody knows the rate and anyone that says they know the rate would be in deep trouble with the AF for discussing it before the release date.
JMPO, be smart and have plan B in place, sorry, but especially if you are nontech going non rated. The reality is they can throw a STEM cadet into PA or SP, but you can't throw a nontech into a STEM job, ie engineering. Just like how the AF feels about rated vs nonrated. You can take a pilot and make them a maintenance officer, with great ease, but to take a maintenance officer and make them a pilot will take 2+ years of training and higher level medical qualifications.
I wish everyone my best hopes, wishes and thoughts for the upcoming few weeks, but I also want everyone to understand that when the results are released....look at the forest for the trees. The AF has a long term plan, including personnel manning, and none of us know it.
It may feel personal when you don't get the EA slot, but it isn't. The AF is no different than any Fortune 500 company. It is a business, with bottom dollar spending, be it training or promotion, and how many they can employ for management. Officers in the corporate world would be considered management.
Just out of curiosity...AFROTC cadets how much do you think it costs to train any rated officer? How much do you think it costs for a TS clearance?
For years it was 55% nationally and than all of the sudden they jumped to 90%+, and a few years later it went back down to the range it was years prior.
Nobody knows the rate and anyone that says they know the rate would be in deep trouble with the AF for discussing it before the release date.
JMPO, be smart and have plan B in place, sorry, but especially if you are nontech going non rated. The reality is they can throw a STEM cadet into PA or SP, but you can't throw a nontech into a STEM job, ie engineering. Just like how the AF feels about rated vs nonrated. You can take a pilot and make them a maintenance officer, with great ease, but to take a maintenance officer and make them a pilot will take 2+ years of training and higher level medical qualifications.
I wish everyone my best hopes, wishes and thoughts for the upcoming few weeks, but I also want everyone to understand that when the results are released....look at the forest for the trees. The AF has a long term plan, including personnel manning, and none of us know it.
It may feel personal when you don't get the EA slot, but it isn't. The AF is no different than any Fortune 500 company. It is a business, with bottom dollar spending, be it training or promotion, and how many they can employ for management. Officers in the corporate world would be considered management.
Just out of curiosity...AFROTC cadets how much do you think it costs to train any rated officer? How much do you think it costs for a TS clearance?
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Lawlrus, good post! My DS is in your year group and was extremely happy when he got his EA last year, but sad at the same time for some really good cadets/friends that were not as fortunate. In fact, his roommate last year that had very impressive stats and was on scholarship did not get one. Fortunately, he was able to join AROTC and pick up a scholarship from them. My DS tells me that his old roommate is loving AROTC now and feels that it is actually a better fit for him. So for those that may get the bad news this year on EA selection, that there are more doors out there you can open. Stay positive and good luck!
Yeah, going AROTC is definitely a good second option. They have a lot of money for scholarships and it gives you more time to graduate (since you are already a sophomore.) In my detachment we had 6 out of 8 selected, 1 didn't make it through Field Training. I have a feeling the 200s/250s/500s this year may have some issues because half are damn good and half just don't seem to care but they are all pretty good friends.
It is always good to have back-up plan(s). I know if I didn't get selected last year, yes it would have sucked but I had other options planned out. In fact, I still have other options in the chance that I am not able to graduate in time or (while highly unlikely) I get kicked out. Whether it is enlisting, switching to a different branch ROTC, preparing for civilian jobs, or whatever else, always have a back-up.
It is always good to have back-up plan(s). I know if I didn't get selected last year, yes it would have sucked but I had other options planned out. In fact, I still have other options in the chance that I am not able to graduate in time or (while highly unlikely) I get kicked out. Whether it is enlisting, switching to a different branch ROTC, preparing for civilian jobs, or whatever else, always have a back-up.
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For rated training you would be talking millions of dollars and for a TS clearance thousands upon thousands.
AS200s: read this sentence. Then read it again. Then google your university's career center and see what they can do for you. My class came in, saw two years of high EA numbers, had them ourselves, and went about our merry way thinking that we didn't need to have a backup plan. I pitied all my civilian friends who were stressing about resume workshops, internship applications, and job hunting.
And then last summer happened, where I found myself having a blast on my last real summer break only to start seeing things fly through the cadet rumor mill: they're going to make us compete again for jobs. Some of us might have to go reserve or even be disenrolled. That shiny LT job with a paycheck and healthcare coverage was no longer something we could count on being there for us after graduation. When my cadre finally called to confirm, I was a mess because I didn't have any sort of real plan B.
Truth is, though, we never should have been counting on it in the first place. That's not how service works and there are so many different things that could signal the end of the line for your commission: surprise medical discoveries or accidents, not making grades in harder upper-level courses, an unbelievably stupid night that ends with you in the drunk tank or with a DUI, or the needs of the service changing in a way that no longer includes you.
This doesn't just go away on AD, either- while my class was panicking about the cadet boards, some of our captains were going before the RIF board. We were fortunate enough that they sat down with us and had a very real, very honest conversation about the importance of accurate self-evaluation and their own plans if they were no longer a part of the AF (and that they were all retained because they're awesome). Even if your career goes well, we all pray that you'll be a civilian again one day, and you'll be thankful that you kept your resume updated and an ear to the ground with the civilian job market of your choice.
You never know what's going to happen. Save yourself a ton of the stress, drama, and sleepless nights by taking advantage of the resources you have now. I commission in about two months (*gulp!*) and if I woke up tomorrow and was told thanks but no thanks, we no longer need you to serve, I would be heartbroken but I would be very well prepared to find another job and serve in that way.
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I can confirm those are the correct dates. Also during midterm counseling our commander said he expects to hear over spring break about the EA results so that would confirm the March 20th date. He said they are really trying to hit the deadline because the past few years they have missed it. Also he made a comment that the process is pretty much done and he is just waiting to hear the news. I don't know what that all means but that is what he said.
In addition if there are any questions people would like me to ask Col Czelusta feel free to let me know and I'll try to ask them. We are having a Q&A next month for our Awards Banquet.
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Only 5 Max's again this year, that probably means that the total EA's will be closer to the 1590 last years class got rather than the 2100+ EA's of the prior year groups?
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Yeah, I personally believe the EA numbers will be better than last year, but with sequestration still in play I don't think you will see 2K +. Hopefully when the numbers are released someone will post the results.