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How'd you rank your preferences? I know a few people with private pilot's licences and everything who got RPA because they put both pilot and RPA as high interest when they applied.

My preferences were pilot high, CSO medium, and ABM/RPA low. In hindsight I wish I did not put CSO medium as I now realize I have no interest in going CSO...my temporary AFSC is Space Ops which I would be more interested in. I am hoping that putting CSO medium did not cause the boards to put me CSO (maybe there was a high demand for CSOs this year?). At the same time, I do not know why they did not select me for my highest interest as I had the scores for it. I honestly do not know how they really factor in interest levels, as I have friends who got pilot slots who put both CSO "medium" and CSO (and everything besides pilot) "low"
How did you do on the NAV section on the AFOQT? Maybe you did so well the boards decided to take you as a CSO instead of Pilot. I am not sure if this is correct thinking, but it could have played a role. I hope everything works out and you end up getting a pilot slot, it sounds like you earned one with your scores.

Nav was 59, pilot 72. There is speculation that since I put medium as CSO I was slotted as CSO. I really wish I did not put medium for that position. I can remain on the alternate list for pilot but I do not know if I need to accept or deny my CSO slot. I’ve heard that if I dent my CSO slot, I will be removed from the pilot alternate list and can never apply for a pilot slot again. On the other hand, if I accept CSO and do not get bumped up to pilot I will be stuck in a position I do not want to do. Really is a rock and a hard place situation.
If you got CSO with a medium and lost a Pilot with a hig
How'd you rank your preferences? I know a few people with private pilot's licences and everything who got RPA because they put both pilot and RPA as high interest when they applied.

My preferences were pilot high, CSO medium, and ABM/RPA low. In hindsight I wish I did not put CSO medium as I now realize I have no interest in going CSO...my temporary AFSC is Space Ops which I would be more interested in. I am hoping that putting CSO medium did not cause the boards to put me CSO (maybe there was a high demand for CSOs this year?). At the same time, I do not know why they did not select me for my highest interest as I had the scores for it. I honestly do not know how they really factor in interest levels, as I have friends who got pilot slots who put both CSO "medium" and CSO (and everything besides pilot) "low"
How did you do on the NAV section on the AFOQT? Maybe you did so well the boards decided to take you as a CSO instead of Pilot. I am not sure if this is correct thinking, but it could have played a role. I hope everything works out and you end up getting a pilot slot, it sounds like you earned one with your scores.

Nav was 59, pilot 72. There is speculation that since I put medium as CSO I was slotted as CSO. I really wish I did not put medium for that position. I can remain on the alternate list for pilot but I do not know if I need to accept or deny my CSO slot. I’ve heard that if I dent my CSO slot, I will be removed from the pilot alternate list and can never apply for a pilot slot again. On the other hand, if I accept CSO and do not get bumped up to pilot I will be stuck in a position I do not want to do. Really is a rock and a hard place situation.
I dont know how it works, but I would assume you put pilot first. For whatever reason they didnt offer you pilot so they went to your next choice which was CSO. Regardless of what how you ranked them they would have given you the next job on the list. I guess if you had put low next all of the rest, they could have gone with CSO, RPA or ABM. Since you put them in low on your list, i would imagine you wouldnt have been happy if they given you those either. I dont think they would have thought to themselves, "this guy only wants pilot and since we arent going to give it to him, lets not give him a rated job". When you applied for a rated position, your open yourself to any rated position. By the way, there is no law that says you have to take CSO . I think the problem is that they will never allow you to get another rated position.

It is good to know that I (probably) did not backstab myself by putting CSO medium. However I do understand that I am not forced into CSO and will be denying that position. I believe it is too great a risk to accept CSO with the hope of being picked from the alternate list for pilot. If I am not picked up for pilot, I will be of course stuck with CSO which I did not want. At least this is the way I understand it (correct me if I am wrong...).
CSO in training here...Don't be too disappointed in getting a CSO slot. I was in the same boat as you and being here has really changed my mind. We have the opportunity to go to great places with CSO, can do some really badass stuff, and go to some really great locations! Hell, nearly half of the planes that we can drop are AFSOC! I'm of the firm belief that Pensacola is the most beautiful and fun training base in the AF. White sand beaches, temps above the 60s year round, Blue Angels flying above your head twice a week, and Destin, Hurlburt, Eglin, Biloxi, and New Orleans are all within 3 hours of driving...you can't beat that! If you have any questions about the program feel free to send me a PM.

Edit: I'd seriously reconsider turning the CSO slot down and believe you'd have a higher chance of getting to pilot through this route anyways.

Thank you for the positive words regarding CSO. This has lets me make a balanced and trustworthy decision. But the bottom line is that my heart is not in the position, and I need to follow that.

Having a higher chance of getting pilot through the accepting-CSO route is what I would like to investigate...however accepting a position I do not want with the hopes of (maybe) getting the position I want seems risky.
 
How'd you rank your preferences? I know a few people with private pilot's licences and everything who got RPA because they put both pilot and RPA as high interest when they applied.

My preferences were pilot high, CSO medium, and ABM/RPA low. In hindsight I wish I did not put CSO medium as I now realize I have no interest in going CSO...my temporary AFSC is Space Ops which I would be more interested in. I am hoping that putting CSO medium did not cause the boards to put me CSO (maybe there was a high demand for CSOs this year?). At the same time, I do not know why they did not select me for my highest interest as I had the scores for it. I honestly do not know how they really factor in interest levels, as I have friends who got pilot slots who put both CSO "medium" and CSO (and everything besides pilot) "low"
How did you do on the NAV section on the AFOQT? Maybe you did so well the boards decided to take you as a CSO instead of Pilot. I am not sure if this is correct thinking, but it could have played a role. I hope everything works out and you end up getting a pilot slot, it sounds like you earned one with your scores.

Nav was 59, pilot 72. There is speculation that since I put medium as CSO I was slotted as CSO. I really wish I did not put medium for that position. I can remain on the alternate list for pilot but I do not know if I need to accept or deny my CSO slot. I’ve heard that if I dent my CSO slot, I will be removed from the pilot alternate list and can never apply for a pilot slot again. On the other hand, if I accept CSO and do not get bumped up to pilot I will be stuck in a position I do not want to do. Really is a rock and a hard place situation.
If you got CSO with a medium and lost a Pilot with a hig
How'd you rank your preferences? I know a few people with private pilot's licences and everything who got RPA because they put both pilot and RPA as high interest when they applied.

My preferences were pilot high, CSO medium, and ABM/RPA low. In hindsight I wish I did not put CSO medium as I now realize I have no interest in going CSO...my temporary AFSC is Space Ops which I would be more interested in. I am hoping that putting CSO medium did not cause the boards to put me CSO (maybe there was a high demand for CSOs this year?). At the same time, I do not know why they did not select me for my highest interest as I had the scores for it. I honestly do not know how they really factor in interest levels, as I have friends who got pilot slots who put both CSO "medium" and CSO (and everything besides pilot) "low"
How did you do on the NAV section on the AFOQT? Maybe you did so well the boards decided to take you as a CSO instead of Pilot. I am not sure if this is correct thinking, but it could have played a role. I hope everything works out and you end up getting a pilot slot, it sounds like you earned one with your scores.

Nav was 59, pilot 72. There is speculation that since I put medium as CSO I was slotted as CSO. I really wish I did not put medium for that position. I can remain on the alternate list for pilot but I do not know if I need to accept or deny my CSO slot. I’ve heard that if I dent my CSO slot, I will be removed from the pilot alternate list and can never apply for a pilot slot again. On the other hand, if I accept CSO and do not get bumped up to pilot I will be stuck in a position I do not want to do. Really is a rock and a hard place situation.
I dont know how it works, but I would assume you put pilot first. For whatever reason they didnt offer you pilot so they went to your next choice which was CSO. Regardless of what how you ranked them they would have given you the next job on the list. I guess if you had put low next all of the rest, they could have gone with CSO, RPA or ABM. Since you put them in low on your list, i would imagine you wouldnt have been happy if they given you those either. I dont think they would have thought to themselves, "this guy only wants pilot and since we arent going to give it to him, lets not give him a rated job". When you applied for a rated position, your open yourself to any rated position. By the way, there is no law that says you have to take CSO . I think the problem is that they will never allow you to get another rated position.

It is good to know that I (probably) did not backstab myself by putting CSO medium. However I do understand that I am not forced into CSO and will be denying that position. I believe it is too great a risk to accept CSO with the hope of being picked from the alternate list for pilot. If I am not picked up for pilot, I will be of course stuck with CSO which I did not want. At least this is the way I understand it (correct me if I am wrong...).
CSO in training here...Don't be too disappointed in getting a CSO slot. I was in the same boat as you and being here has really changed my mind. We have the opportunity to go to great places with CSO, can do some really badass stuff, and go to some really great locations! Hell, nearly half of the planes that we can drop are AFSOC! I'm of the firm belief that Pensacola is the most beautiful and fun training base in the AF. White sand beaches, temps above the 60s year round, Blue Angels flying above your head twice a week, and Destin, Hurlburt, Eglin, Biloxi, and New Orleans are all within 3 hours of driving...you can't beat that! If you have any questions about the program feel free to send me a PM.

Edit: I'd seriously reconsider turning the CSO slot down and believe you'd have a higher chance of getting to pilot through this route anyways.

Thank you for the positive words regarding CSO. This has lets me make a balanced and trustworthy decision. But the bottom line is that my heart is not in the position, and I need to follow that.

Having a higher chance of getting pilot through the accepting-CSO route is what I would like to investigate...however accepting a position I do not want with the hopes of (maybe) getting the position I want seems risky.

It all goes back to that cheesy but true piece of advice, "Grow wherever you're planted." In the end you need to do what'll make you happy but I've noticed that the CSO career field is not really aspired to as cadets and many don't know the perks of the career. Many go on after CSO to work with their degree in the civilian world and some go on to work with the big name contractors to develop systems for new and old aircraft. If there's another AFSC in the AF other than pilot that'll set you up for civilian life while giving you a slim chance at pilot then I'd say go for it.
 
Got my pilot slot! Stats:
AFOQT Pilot:97
PCSM:69 (Guess I had a bad TBAS lol)
GPA: 3.75 (Business)
PFA: 98.1
FT: Middle
RSS: Top

Good luck to everyone on supplemental boards looking to upgrade. Next step, be deemed a perfect human being at Wright Patterson.
 
Got my pilot slot! Stats:
AFOQT Pilot:97
PCSM:69 (Guess I had a bad TBAS lol)
GPA: 3.75 (Business)
PFA: 98.1
FT: Middle
RSS: Top

Good luck to everyone on supplemental boards looking to upgrade. Next step, be deemed a perfect human being at Wright Patterson.
I think a 69 PCSM without flight hours is actually pretty good
 
To update my situation, I have accepted the CSO position with hopes of a pilot slot off the alternate boards. I am still unsure why I did not receive a slot with my scores (I even have a private license which I know does not guarantee but should help). CSO does seem like a great career field and is where I will go if pilot does not work out, but I am not ready to give up pilot just yet.

Curious to see if there are any others here who are pilot non-selects with competitive scores?
 
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To update my situation, I have accepted the CSO position with hopes of a pilot slot off the alternate boards. I am still unsure why I did not receive a slot with my scores (I even have a private license which I know does not guarantee but should help). CSO does seem like a great career field and is where I will go if pilot does not work out, but I am not ready to give up pilot just yet.

Curious to see if there are any others here who are pilot non-selects with competitive scores?
The simple answer just maybe that they need more CSO, not enough applied for it, and tag you are it
 
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
 
I've heard lots of mixed answers regarding this, and there seems to be some confusion between the alternate list and the supplemental boards.

If I was picked up for CSO this Feb, am I eligible to apply for the supplemental board in Sept to try for a pilot slot? Or can I only be picked up off the alternate list?
I've been told that the supp board is only for ENJJPT candidates and cadets who were not selected for a rated position at all, not for cadets who would like to "upgrade" their rated position.
 
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I thought Rotc had a lot more spots than OCS. Based on your numbers Rotc and OCS split the spots 60/40
 
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I thought Rotc had a lot more spots than OCS. Based on your numbers Rotc and OCS split the spots 60/40

CSAF two years ago had stated that they were going to double the amount of OCS slots from 125 to 250. Now if you look at the numbers you can see they took it from the ROTC side. They are still selecting the same number for UPT, and the same amount are coming out of USAFA, thus the only spot left is ROTC.
 
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I thought Rotc had a lot more spots than OCS. Based on your numbers Rotc and OCS split the spots 60/40

CSAF two years ago had stated that they were going to double the amount of OCS slots from 125 to 250. Now if you look at the numbers you can see they took it from the ROTC side. They are still selecting the same number for UPT, and the same amount are coming out of USAFA, thus the only spot left is ROTC.
They're no longer accepting the same amount. This year there were over 600 pilot selects compared to 350 two years ago for ROTC
 
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I agree with AFsqueak I think he meant 90% for rated. Typically it usually is in the mid 300 range that get pilot, which makes sense from a UPT aspect. The pipeline between all of the bases push out/wing when running at 110% @ 1200. If you do the math 550 from USAFA, 350 from ROTC, 250 from OCS, than add a few hundred for Xtrain (WSO), Guard, foreign students that would be right when you add in the fact that they expect at least 25% to wash out..
I thought Rotc had a lot more spots than OCS. Based on your numbers Rotc and OCS split the spots 60/40

CSAF two years ago had stated that they were going to double the amount of OCS slots from 125 to 250. Now if you look at the numbers you can see they took it from the ROTC side. They are still selecting the same number for UPT, and the same amount are coming out of USAFA, thus the only spot left is ROTC.
They're no longer accepting the same amount. This year there were over 600 pilot selects compared to 350 two years ago for ROTC
I am confused by your statement especially in regards to the previous posts . Who is providing 600 pilots? So you agree that OCS is taking more spots or not ?
 
I've heard lots of mixed answers regarding this, and there seems to be some confusion between the alternate list and the supplemental boards.

If I was picked up for CSO this Feb, am I eligible to apply for the supplemental board in Sept to try for a pilot slot? Or can I only be picked up off the alternate list?
I've been told that the supp board is only for ENJJPT candidates and cadets who were not selected for a rated position at all, not for cadets who would like to "upgrade" their rated position.
An upgrade can occur at essentially any time. Upgrades also occur during the supplemental board as the Air Force fills in slots that were DQd or otherwise declined or removed. It's on a rolling basis, but the supplemental board is a bigger chunk adjustment. The ENJJPT board occurs at nearly the same time, but in a way is its own board in that it uses a slightly different algorithm (weighted categories) and is obviously only for that one location.
 
100% agree with Bird. DS had their military ball in April for his Det. One of his close friends had an RPA, but only that week they contacted him and said you are going UPT now.
 
Could anyone who has experience watching the results of AFROTC rated boards please give me their opinion on this:

My DS was just given a CSO slot from the AFROTC rated board. He ranked pilot as high, CSO medium and low for other slots. His scores were:
PXSM: 81
GPA: 3.37
commander's ranking: top third
FT: middle
Physical fit: 100
this past summer he also received two scholarships for his PPL and got his PPL with 80 total flight hours.
Major is geological engineering, graduating in December.

He asked his cadre to confirm that his scores were correct with the detachment and they did that. He also asked to see his rating sheet to be sure he put pilot as high, and he did. He asked for his commander's ranking and was told it was top third. He also asked his cadre to tell him if there's any reason they know why he would not be eligible for a pilot slot. They told him there was no reason and in fact with his high scores he should be high up on the alternate list so they encouraged him to accept the CSO position in the hopes of getting an alternate slot. What is confusing is that he has compared scores with other cadets who received a pilot slot and his scores are substantially higher than some of them. Do his scores seem higher than average for this year's pilot slot recipients? Is it possible his scores really were a bit lower than average and the cadets he compared scores with got pilot slots because of minority or female status?

Is it possible the board made a mistake and if so, is there any way to ask for a review? Could this be the AF trying to get higher scoring cadets into the CSO position? And if so then does that mean they won't let him get an alternate slot?

Thanks in advance for any help figuring this out!
 
they encouraged him to accept the CSO position in the hopes of getting an alternate slot.

Cadre really not to stop telling people to do this. If you do have some interest in being a navigator, then sure, go ahead and accept it. But accepting a CSO slot just because you are hoping to get a pilot slot in the future and then being unhappy for 6+ years as a navigator because you had no interest in the job is the wrong thing to do. Not to mention, a rated navigator going up against a non-rated officer on an active duty pilot board stands a no better chance at being selected just because he is already a Nav.
 
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