AFROTC branching and flight question

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Bdl1127, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. Bdl1127

    Bdl1127 5-Year Member

    Jan 8, 2011
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    First off, I was awarded and accepted an AFROTC scholarship. I am interested in aviation, dental corps, and medical corps. Should i tell my detatchment what I am interested in before going to school?

    Also, I think i may be colorblind. After going in for my Dodmerb Optometrist appointment i realized i could not make out everything on the colorblind test (one with a bunch of randomly colored dots and youre supposed to make out a number in the middle). However i am still not sure that that test is completely accurate (my father was a pilot in the military for 23 years and even he said he couldnt make out a number in each test)

    Anyways long story short, can i fly if im partially colorblind? Once again im not completely sure.
  2. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    First you don't need to inform them of your career field for many yrs. Actually for class of 13 they are changing it to not declaring AFSC until fall of their sr. yr(400). For previous yrs as a C300 in the fall you start the process of applying for rated fields, you found out in Feb jr yr for rated. Rated go 1st because if you don't get it you will go non-rated, so they need to clear those cadets out 1st.

    IF you are selected for rated, they will then send you TDY to Wright Pat for 3 days. It is an 8 hour medical exam. Makes this DodMERB seem like a sports physical. They will do everything from eyes to EEGs to dental.

    If you fail the test you will be re-examined for a higher test to determine where you stand.

    If at this point right now you think you may have an eye issue, I would strongly suggest you go to a doc now, and pay on your own dime. Here's the thing, remember if you use military insurance this will be a part of your permanent records. I am not saying hide anything, I am saying that sometimes just the way the results are written can raise a flag, which will initiate the process of further testing/investigating. If you are color blind in any manner, at least you can than start the process of getting referrals from docs that are DodMERB qualified stating it is not an issue, no need for waivers.

    Since your Dad is military, I would suggest that you contact the flight surgeon and discuss this with them. Flight Docs have a huge book of what is DQ. Have them administer the test. If your Dad is retired and you need to go general med., go private. No offense to general med practitioners, but since they don't deal with fliers the DQ issue is not something they deal with for fliers. I.E. that is why a flight doc won't write allergies when a kid comes in with the sniffles in April, because they know in yrs to come that may be a DQ issue, when in essence all it is hay fever.

    Not for the medical/dental question. I am sure your Dad has informed you of this, but that path is very very hard. The problem is you have to fight for that spot, and the AF would prefer you to go AD 1st. They do exist, but honestly, as rare as getting a fighter in the AF is, getting med. school is rarer.

    Use ROTC classes as an example.

    Your det class of 15 may start with 50 cadets, 10 of them scholarship. By the time you graduate you may be down to 30. Out of that maybe 8 will get rated, 6 of them UPT. Out of those 6 statistically not even 1 would get a fighter (10% out of UPT get fighters). Thus, it is 1% get fighters out of your class, and I am saying going to med school is less than that.

    The other problem for at least dental, is the dental corps has greatly been reduced. Gone are the days that every base had only AD dentists, now many are contracted civilians. Our neighbor across the street works on base, he is a contracted dentist.

    The same is true for docs. Yrs ago I gave birth to my kids on base, now that doesn't exist. Yrs ago there was an ER, now you go to the hospital in your town if it is after 4:30 pm and before 7 a.m.. Again, this is why the competition is so high for med school.

    Finally, you should just believe in that dream and use it as a motivator to do well in ROTC. You have many hurdles to clear in the next 3 yrs.

    1. Good grades...aim for over 3.2 if you want UPT, higher if you are non-tech.
    2. Good PFA scores... aim for 97+
    3. Jobs in the det.
    4. Join military organizations, volunteer, in other words be involved. Just like the scholarship they want the well rounded cadet, not the book smart cadet.
    5. Do well on the AFOQT
    6. Get SFT, and graduate in the top 10%, 1/3 at worst
    7. Score well on the TBAS
    8. If you want rated and can afford it get your PPL, or at least try to solo. Those hours are added into your TBAS score.

    If you do all of that you should be in good shape for UPT.

    Your biggest hurdle to aim for right now is SFT. This yr @50% of 200's were not selected. If you don't go to SFT you can't become a 300, and your scholarship may be revoked. They do not take scholarships into consideration when awarding points. There were cadets at our DS's school that were scholarship that didn't get a slot. LOOK at list of what to do.

    This may seem entirely negative, I prefer to say I give the facts that are unvarnished.

    Also, as an incoming cadet, my very best piece of advice:

    You will be fine academically for ROTC...1st semester tests start off with the basics like where do you go to get a military i.d.? It is a semester filled with info you have lived for your entire life which you take as fact, including how to salute, when to salute, how to determine rank, etc.

    Since you have that under your belt. Spend the summer working out so you can max the PFT in September. Practice that PFA to the true form, do it in all types of weather at different hours, including 6 am.

    For DS's det. they also love to put them through butterfly kicks, and 1 arm push ups (side variation).

    If you can max that PFT, and because you know AF life you will be sitting prettier than most cadets. If you can't max the PFT and they know you are a military dependent it won't look too good.

    Dets can be large in size, and as a C100 you want to have them connect your name with your face in a positive manner as soon as possible. The longer it takes them to know who you are, the harder it will be to distinguish yourself.

    Good luck.
  3. kevster

    kevster 5-Year Member

    Apr 21, 2009
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    Pima can you expound on this? Are you saying that my class will submit rated packages at the end of Junior year?
  4. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    Starting for the class of 13, you will not get your AFSC until you are a 400.

    So for you I am ASSUMING and we know what that means you will submit spring jr or fall sr.

    Currently the AFA 12 have not received their AFSC and not expect to until the summer, whereas AFROTC12 have their AFSC. LY the AFA cadets learned in March.

    If the AFA is backing it up, you can expect AFROTC will back it up.

    They may be doing this to get more experience for each cadet under their belt, especially those who enter as sophomores. I honestly do not know why, this is pure supposition.

    I do know that they are backing it up for 13, and as a 14 it may apply to you.

    Talk to your mentor they know more than I do. I am only stating broad strokes, they can tell you the fine strokes.

    MPO, repeat MPO, I am not an insider and do not discuss this in detail with those in AFROTC, but I would assume that the board will meet early fall and you will know by Oct/Nov.

    Using DS as a yardstick, he took TBAS in Dec., board received his grades for 1st semester 300, and recs. Results were posted 1st of Mar. @ 6 weeks after UMD returned to school.

    That would lead me to the belief, they will do the TBAS in Apr/May, recs in May, grades in June, board in Aug. Results in Oct (6 week wait).

    Talk to your mentor. He may not know currently, but he will before this is even an option.

    Truth is don't worry about AFSC, your goal NOW is SFT. No SFT and AFSC is not on the table.

    Take one step at a time. Get that SFT slot. Do what needs to be done to get it. Once you get it, graduate high. Also be ready for the AFOQT.

    You have a lot of steps left before the AFSC is even in your purview.

    One step at a time. Right now your goal should be getting a det job or PFA top scores. Next semester it will be AFOQT and PFA and job for spring semester.

    GPA will matter at your school.

    Good luck
  5. ima-gina-tion

    ima-gina-tion USAFA 2015 5-Year Member

    Mar 7, 2011
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    Are you sure about this? Not saying it isn't true, but I thought that as long as you qualify for HPSP/get into med school, you could go.

    now that in and of itself is a pretty big challenge, but you make it sound impossible.
  6. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    Yes that it true, but specifically for flight docs, there are 2 types of is go to UPT and then med. or go med then UPT.

    The real issue if the manpower needs. What I was stating is that the AF has really started to contract docs and move away from it being only military members. Due to this fact, they need fewer docs, whereas, the supply of applicants has not decreased. Simple math of supply and demand. If the supply is larger than the demand your chances will decrease.

    I know a couple of AFA cadets opted to try for this path, but I am not sure how many actually did get it.

    If you look at just the pure numbers of docs in the AF, compared to any other field, you will see it is rare.

    It is not impossible, it is rare. Just like if you look at the chances of getting a 22 straight out of UPT starting with every student, and you will see it is not impossible, but it is rare.

    It is great to have dreams and goals, because these will be the things that will keep you motivated. It is equally at this point of your life to have short and long term goals. There are so many hurdles in front of you that need to be cleared, and if you only pay attention to the long term goal, you may never make it because you failed to address your short term goal.

    Everyone knows that the AF currently is "tweaking" its' manpower. Hopefully by 2016 the dust will have settled, but until that time, the short term goal needs to be your priority. That goal is to get SFT. No SFT, and that scholarship is in jeopardy. This yr it was @50% acceptance rate and some dets had as low as 35%. Hopefully, by next yr it will start to come back to the 65% and for your class yr it might be back up to a 75%.

    Finally, you are only 17/18. For many goals change once they get into this world. That is why I say have the long term goal, but pay attention right now to the short.

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