AFROTC EA due date

+1 ERAU, my DS said the same thing. His Det has a couple FTP cadets retaking the AFOQT on the 28th or 29th of this month. If they get an EA and pass the AFOQT then they will be going to SFT this summer with everyone else that got an EA. From my understanding though, if they don't pass the AFOQT they will lose the EA and will be disenrolled. Don't quote me on this but I think a cadet only gets to attempts to pass the AFOQT. I know at least one of the cadets mentioned is on scholarship and has a high cGPA, PFA, and ACT.
 
I understand what the two of you are saying, however, I have heard that FTP cadets who get selected but did not pass their AFOQT (or are unable to take it in time due to the 180 day rule) will (somehow) attend FT the following summer. This is from Cadre. I do not know the validity (other than taking Cadre's word) since I do not know of any other Det doing this.

That's all I'm aware of though!
 
Vretro said:
In addition, FTP cadets who did not pass their AFOQT are still competing and eligible for an EA, but were told it would be delayed a year. In other words, if a cadet received an EA for summer 14 but did not pass their AFOQT, they wouldn't attend FT until summer 15. I haven't heard of any other detachment doing this.
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How would it be delayed a year? The boards this year would make a selection for next year? At the expense of an EA this year? Doesn't make sense.

One cadet who I knew couldn't continue the program because they couldn't pass the AFOQT their first time. I'm not sure how their other scores were though.
 
That's what I'm confused about too. I'm not sure how it can possibly be guaranteed like what was mentioned.

Oh well, hoping the #'s are good for FTP this year. Hurry up & wait!
 
I agree I can't see that occurring. I can see them saying that the cadet would not be dis-enrolled, but instead become a 500 and try again next year. Years prior cadets were basically shown the door.

Honestly, I am not sure if that is a moot point anyway because the AFOQT is part of the score, the cadet will be taking a hit if they have failed the test. If the rate for selection is 90%+ than chances are strong they will be selected even with a low AFOQT, but if it is 50% than chances are not good.

Flying,
You are correct cadets are allowed to take the AFOQT only twice and there must be 180 days between the tests. Many cadets don't take the AFOQT twice, especially those going rated because will have the TBAS replace the AFOQT for their boards,

As for dropping the amount of days, I would not think it has anything to do with sending more cadets. SFT numbers are created for the purpose of planning the number of cadets that will go ADAF in two years. They won't want to spend two more years of training the cadet only to have to a RIF their senior year because they sent too many to SFT this year.
 
Pima said:
I agree I can't see that occurring. I can see them saying that the cadet would not be dis-enrolled, but instead become a 500 and try again next year. Years prior cadets were basically shown the door.

Honestly, I am not sure if that is a moot point anyway because the AFOQT is part of the score, the cadet will be taking a hit if they have failed the test. If the rate for selection is 90%+ than chances are strong they will be selected even with a low AFOQT, but if it is 50% than chances are not good.
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For that part of your package, they take the highest one of either your SAT, ACT, or AFOQT (there is some sort of AFOQT to SAT conversion). A cadet could somehow fail the AFOQT, but have a 1700 on the SAT. That score of 1700 is what will be going in their package. If your AFOQT score is higher than your SAT score, it will be converted to the SAT scale and that score will go in your package.

So a cadet could have great SAT, GPA, CC Ranking but bomb the AFOQT their first time and still get an EA. The AFOQT matters more for job selection and rated selection. One unsubstantiated rumor I heard this year was that they may be trying to phase out using SAT/ACT, but until that happens a decent SAT/ACT still trumps a poor AFOQT score for EA selection.
 
Non Ducor,

I think you meant 1500, because a 1700 would be a low SAT (@570 on each section - 1500 would be 750+ on the two sections). I did know they take the best, but honestly, the AFOQT is akin to an ACT. I think that with two more years of education you should have a stronger academic foundation than you did as a senior in hs. I understand that the AFOQT is a percentile score, thus not everyone can be top 90% which means an SAT might be better.

However, my point is/was I would be very scared if I had it all riding on passing the AFOQT. As stated, they can be offered a slot, but must pass the test. This is their second shot out. JMPO, but don't you think the cadre looks out these scores too when they rack and stack the cadets? If so, it again is just adding into the equation in a negative manner from a score perspective. Do I rank the cadet with a 1500 SAT and failed the AFOQT over the cadet with a 1350 SAT and 94 AFOQT if all other scores are equal (tech/cgpa/pfa)? Assume the 1500 =94 AFOQT (throwing numbers as exanples)

I have posted before that I would not be shocked if the rumor mill of getting rid of the SAT and only using AFOQT is not true.

1. The AFA and OCS only use the AFOQT.
2. For decades it was the AFOQT that was used in AFROTC. Bullet commissioned 1987 and they used the AFOQT. DS1 was the last year group that they gave the exam as 100s, and he commissioned in 12. It has only been a few years that they did the AFOQT/SAT system. Basically the same years that they had 90+% SFT selection rate. For 25 years it was AFOQT.


That being said, as you have stated for non-rated the AFOQT is not just about SFT selection, but AFSC.

Wishing everyone the best. My gut says it is going to be a banner year like the previous years because it appears many of the sets did drop cadets prior to the board meeting. The issue that will be left at hand is how many cadets have psychologically planned to go rated and do not understand how that board works.
~~~ The idea that just because they want pilot does not mean they won't get ABM or RPA. They can't turn and decline it because it wasn't pilot. I wonder if they made a deal with the devil.

Right now the best you can do is assume you are a go. Start getting your items in order.
 
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Pima said:
Non Ducor,

I think you meant 1500, because a 1700 would be a low SAT (@570 on each section - 1500 would be 750+ on the two sections).
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No, I meant a 1700 for all 3 sections. It really isn't low considering the national average for the SAT is a ~1500 total. You can't judge what is high or low by the average for scholarship winners which is in the 1900+ range because they only make up about 20% of everyone competing. In reality you're going to have ppl going for EAs with total SAT scores ranging from the sub 1400s to the 2100s (Yes, there are cadets with math+reading scores of ~900-1000), I just picked 1700 because it was towards the middle and what I would call a decent score. My only point was that a low AFOQT score is not the end of your EA chances as long as you at least have ok SAT/ACT scores.

We were told though that if we didn't fail it, but wanted to improve our scores anyways we could take it again. But everyone only gets 2 chances to take it so we were told to think carefully because if you do worse on it the 2nd time, that is the score that will be used for everything else going forward. They don't take the highest of the two sitting scores, they take whatever the latest score is. So if you score high enough on it the 1st time it may not be worth it to take it again.

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I see your point though. I bet you're right in that AFOQT scores are used to rack and stack. The cadre can hardly fail to notice a low AFOQT score when taking everything into consideration. I know someone who got a 9 in verbal and barely passed the 10 requirement for quantitative :cool:. A great cadet overall, participates in every extracurricular we have, but is ranked in the bottom. Of course there are other factors, but I wouldn't be surprised if the low AFOQT scores played a part in their rank.
 
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That is my point. Don't be fooled and assume just because they will use the better score it has not impacted you from another scoring aspect which may carry even more weight.

Remember these CoCs came in under the old system like Bullet. They too took the AFOQT. They were in your shoes 20 some odd years ago, and they remember those days, but now they also have ADAF experience to boot.

Many are probably rated too, which means they have lived through rated schools and the academics needed to survive. That Pilot/Nav section scores are not just numbers to them.
 
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Should be the same dates, just listing them for any cadets that may have not seen them earlier. Still have not heard of any delays in EA's, so just a couple more days now!
 
Hope your gut is right Pima! Mine says the same thing, while everything I see and hear says the contrary! lol
 
Will this Monday(24th) be the big day?


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I sure hope so! I have midterm counseling on Tuesday so hopefully there's an update then...

Just wondering, is anyone out there going to the RPI drill meet next weekend? My det's drill team is!
 
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