You seem fine with the idea of putting PII in a public forum here. I think it's less a matter of blinking and more getting caught up in the emotion of the situation. And it's understandable. I'd be on pins and needles too if I were you. But as awesome as these forums are for sharing information (even terribly, terribly wrong information), we shouldn't forget that it's a glass house. Good luck to you and your son.
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You seem fine with the idea of putting PII in a public forum here. I think it's less a matter of blinking and more getting caught up in the emotion of the situation. And it's understandable. I'd be on pins and needles too if I were you. But as awesome as these forums are for sharing information (even terribly, terribly wrong information), we shouldn't forget that it's a glass house. Good luck to you and your son.
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I've already conceded the fact that I made a bad choice in my username. I'd like to point out the "mom" at the end of the name. My son's choice to use other methods of information gathering as opposed to this forum is his right as a citizen of this fabulous country.
I've said before and I will say it again any and all posts from ERAUMattmom are NOT my son's as a cadet at ERAU...but that of his MOTHER who finds this forum not only a great source of valuable information...(thank you posters like PIMA), but also a place to vent off a little with other parent in the same position as I am.
I would hope that other posters make an effort as I do to differentiate between what they consider to be facts and what they consider to be opinions.
I would also hope that poster and lurkers alike would see that there is no poster named ERAUMatt.....only ERAUMattmom which in no way shape or form is anything that Matt should be held responsible for.....
Here's to hoping (MY OPINION)
that it's going to be EA Monday!!!
Monday, Monday!!!!
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The fact is Alpha is the one to take heed in what Mbit is saying. The military is not going to hold ERAUs DS copeable in any part of how she acts. They may sit him down and have a friendly chat to tell him, that although she is his Mom, he is going to have to edit what he says to her.
~ Many times, even now 25 years of marriage I will ask Bullet something with the caveat of or is that is something you will have to kill me if you tell me?
Parents will eventually get it. Commands understand that familiar relationship and how many have never been in the military and don't understand.
Let's remember this situation is not like going to deploy tomorrow for the Ukraine and they are calling the folks with their departure time. It is a flipping number/percentage for EAs.
~~~ Should it be released publicly on a forum before the official release? No, but it is not the OMG issue I think it is being made into.
For alpha, that is different and it is where I agree with Mbitr. This forum is def. NOT anonymous and there are many lurkers who are members of cadres around the country. Enough posts and they know if it is a cadet in their command.
~ Us me as an example. How many people do you think have a DS at UPT, Del Rio, went to UMDCP, and their DH is the 35 guy at the Pentagon? A few clicks and you know my name.
It has happened twice on here.
DS was approached at school by a cadet within weeks of the fall semester. The cadet asked point blank are you Pima's DS? He figured it out because he overheard DS say his Dad flew Strike Eagles and was at the Pentagon. The poster asked does he also work on the 35?
I found someone from this site by their name via my DS at UPT. A poster (fencer) posted on the AFA thread that their DS was at Del Rio, but not his class start date. Off handedly I asked DS have you met an AFA twin from PA, thnking he would say no. Nope he said I think you are talking about ..... He is in my class.
~~~~ Fencer and I have been close friends and each others support system this year.
The point is how many cadets do you know that has a very close friend so high up in the Navy that has the ability to see their sister services budget? Basically, that is like saying something akin to my DH is the F35 guy. The cadre if lurking would immediately know who they are because if they are announcing it here you can take bets that they have had said the same remark at the set, or maybe the friend is a cadet there too.
That is the cadet that may get a sit down about forums because unlike ERAU they should know by now not to put it out there.
JMPO, the advice was good, but in this case ERAU didn't start it going down the slope. Alpha did by announcing his connection. ERAU, and everyone else that is stressed was looking to see the real connection to the info per se not the actual name. I.E. They are a Commander is different than saying the mom is the administration assistant. At least that would me if I asked. I am not to start googling their name to find their phone number and calling them. I just want to know how much weight to place on this info.
~ Many times, even now 25 years of marriage I will ask Bullet something with the caveat of or is that is something you will have to kill me if you tell me?
Parents will eventually get it. Commands understand that familiar relationship and how many have never been in the military and don't understand.
Let's remember this situation is not like going to deploy tomorrow for the Ukraine and they are calling the folks with their departure time. It is a flipping number/percentage for EAs.
~~~ Should it be released publicly on a forum before the official release? No, but it is not the OMG issue I think it is being made into.
For alpha, that is different and it is where I agree with Mbitr. This forum is def. NOT anonymous and there are many lurkers who are members of cadres around the country. Enough posts and they know if it is a cadet in their command.
~ Us me as an example. How many people do you think have a DS at UPT, Del Rio, went to UMDCP, and their DH is the 35 guy at the Pentagon? A few clicks and you know my name.
It has happened twice on here.
DS was approached at school by a cadet within weeks of the fall semester. The cadet asked point blank are you Pima's DS? He figured it out because he overheard DS say his Dad flew Strike Eagles and was at the Pentagon. The poster asked does he also work on the 35?
I found someone from this site by their name via my DS at UPT. A poster (fencer) posted on the AFA thread that their DS was at Del Rio, but not his class start date. Off handedly I asked DS have you met an AFA twin from PA, thnking he would say no. Nope he said I think you are talking about ..... He is in my class.
~~~~ Fencer and I have been close friends and each others support system this year.
The point is how many cadets do you know that has a very close friend so high up in the Navy that has the ability to see their sister services budget? Basically, that is like saying something akin to my DH is the F35 guy. The cadre if lurking would immediately know who they are because if they are announcing it here you can take bets that they have had said the same remark at the set, or maybe the friend is a cadet there too.
That is the cadet that may get a sit down about forums because unlike ERAU they should know by now not to put it out there.
JMPO, the advice was good, but in this case ERAU didn't start it going down the slope. Alpha did by announcing his connection. ERAU, and everyone else that is stressed was looking to see the real connection to the info per se not the actual name. I.E. They are a Commander is different than saying the mom is the administration assistant. At least that would me if I asked. I am not to start googling their name to find their phone number and calling them. I just want to know how much weight to place on this info.
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Thanks Pima...
ERAU, and everyone else that is stressed was looking to see the real connection to the info per se not the actual name. I.E. They are a Commander is different than saying the mom is the administration assistant. At least that would me if I asked. I am not to start googling their name to find their phone number and calling them. I just want to know how much weight to place on this info.
Pima, once again you are a valued source of information. The fact that you have once been in the shoes that we are now standing in gives you that uncanny ability to know what is in our minds and thoughts behind our posts.
I love that you also have a great ability to know the right times to put the gloves on and the right time to take the gloves off. I supposed if I do not get myself banned from this forum for saying something stupid I might be able to help future posters the way you help us newbies out now.
However, currently I am just a mom doing what moms do best....try to look out for their sons and daughters best interests....in the best way they can!!
If I put out too much personal information regarding my Matt....then in MY OPINION ...he is the one I need to apologize to....
And in regards to : The military is not going to hold ERAUs DS copeable in any part of how she acts. They may sit him down and have a friendly chat to tell him, that although she is his Mom, he is going to have to edit what he says to her.......AAAGGHHH He already doesn't tell me ANYTHING.....unless it is set in concrete....because after 20 years he knows what a chatterbox his mother is......
ERAU, and everyone else that is stressed was looking to see the real connection to the info per se not the actual name. I.E. They are a Commander is different than saying the mom is the administration assistant. At least that would me if I asked. I am not to start googling their name to find their phone number and calling them. I just want to know how much weight to place on this info.
Pima, once again you are a valued source of information. The fact that you have once been in the shoes that we are now standing in gives you that uncanny ability to know what is in our minds and thoughts behind our posts.
I love that you also have a great ability to know the right times to put the gloves on and the right time to take the gloves off. I supposed if I do not get myself banned from this forum for saying something stupid I might be able to help future posters the way you help us newbies out now.
However, currently I am just a mom doing what moms do best....try to look out for their sons and daughters best interests....in the best way they can!!
If I put out too much personal information regarding my Matt....then in MY OPINION ...he is the one I need to apologize to....
And in regards to : The military is not going to hold ERAUs DS copeable in any part of how she acts. They may sit him down and have a friendly chat to tell him, that although she is his Mom, he is going to have to edit what he says to her.......AAAGGHHH He already doesn't tell me ANYTHING.....unless it is set in concrete....because after 20 years he knows what a chatterbox his mother is......
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ERAU,
I think he knows since there is another ERAU poster.
That being said, it is between you and your child, and none of us to decide what you should do as a parent.
I am going to be honest, I don't know how I could have handled it like you guys. DS found out end of Feb/1st of Mar. However, for that month every time the phone rang and I saw his caller ID number come up, my stomach dropped and I steeled myself.
I know the number floating around by posters is considered low at 60% and I laugh at that.The reality is only 2, maybe 3 years were 93%. Our DSs yr group was 55%, and so was every year group before him for at least 4 years. 60% is really not the uncommon %, 93% was. It was shocking to see it jump from 55% to 93% in one year.
Next year you all will be old hats at this and laid back for the AFSC boards.
No offense to Mbitr, but I don't think you can even fathom the stress level since you were AROTC. For AFROTC, no selection means the fat Lady sung and they will not commission into the AF. There is no Guard/reserve option, it is life,e NROTC, AD only. This is not about career selection, it is about for many with scholarships figuring how to pay for college for the next two years on top of their dreams since they were 10 dashed.
All of that being said, mbitr has a point which needs to be placed into the equation. We, as parents need to cut the apron strings.
Vent here, learn here, ask questions here, BUT IMPO, don't go back to your kid and say I read on SAF blah blah blah.
The most stressful thing when Bullet as an ADAF member ever endured was when he would call his folks during the times he was up for different boards. The first thing they would ask is if he heard anything,
~~~ Trust me when they hear you will know very quickly.
~~~~~ Fencers DS's late name starts with a letter before ours, but not too far off. She called me the night the airframes dropped (class of 24 students), It was the longest 6 minutes in my life. Yep, that is how fast they call the folks....both boys are engaged, so we were the 2nd calls.
Don't ask, because when they call if it hasn't been released it is on their mind too. Talk about anything else. It is on their mind every waking moment, and they just want to stop thinking about it. You asking just is making them think about it again. Talk about summer p,and. Talk about how the dog peed on the sofa or Great Aunt Sally put in her dentures wrong. Anything, but this, UNLESS they bring it up first.
I think he knows since there is another ERAU poster.
That being said, it is between you and your child, and none of us to decide what you should do as a parent.
I am going to be honest, I don't know how I could have handled it like you guys. DS found out end of Feb/1st of Mar. However, for that month every time the phone rang and I saw his caller ID number come up, my stomach dropped and I steeled myself.
I know the number floating around by posters is considered low at 60% and I laugh at that.The reality is only 2, maybe 3 years were 93%. Our DSs yr group was 55%, and so was every year group before him for at least 4 years. 60% is really not the uncommon %, 93% was. It was shocking to see it jump from 55% to 93% in one year.
Next year you all will be old hats at this and laid back for the AFSC boards.
No offense to Mbitr, but I don't think you can even fathom the stress level since you were AROTC. For AFROTC, no selection means the fat Lady sung and they will not commission into the AF. There is no Guard/reserve option, it is life,e NROTC, AD only. This is not about career selection, it is about for many with scholarships figuring how to pay for college for the next two years on top of their dreams since they were 10 dashed.
All of that being said, mbitr has a point which needs to be placed into the equation. We, as parents need to cut the apron strings.
Vent here, learn here, ask questions here, BUT IMPO, don't go back to your kid and say I read on SAF blah blah blah.
The most stressful thing when Bullet as an ADAF member ever endured was when he would call his folks during the times he was up for different boards. The first thing they would ask is if he heard anything,
~~~ Trust me when they hear you will know very quickly.
~~~~~ Fencers DS's late name starts with a letter before ours, but not too far off. She called me the night the airframes dropped (class of 24 students), It was the longest 6 minutes in my life. Yep, that is how fast they call the folks....both boys are engaged, so we were the 2nd calls.
Don't ask, because when they call if it hasn't been released it is on their mind too. Talk about anything else. It is on their mind every waking moment, and they just want to stop thinking about it. You asking just is making them think about it again. Talk about summer p,and. Talk about how the dog peed on the sofa or Great Aunt Sally put in her dentures wrong. Anything, but this, UNLESS they bring it up first.
Life in the military is is different. Little things really do matter. When I was first married and living in Germany we had two checking accounts. The checks looked identical and I wrote a check accidentally on the one with very little money in it. Hubby was TDY, and word got to his commander about the check. He was pulled in and told he needed to be sure I understood how my actions affect his career!
A year later when I visited Berlin I knew very well not to give any information out about where I was visiting from and what my husbands job was etc.
Hubby now works for a major airline.....this airline has a Facebook page where people ask stuff like "what is the crew hotel in Miami?" Same rule applies....don't give out info, you never know who is out there collecting info to use against you.
A year later when I visited Berlin I knew very well not to give any information out about where I was visiting from and what my husbands job was etc.
Hubby now works for a major airline.....this airline has a Facebook page where people ask stuff like "what is the crew hotel in Miami?" Same rule applies....don't give out info, you never know who is out there collecting info to use against you.
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While I am not going to disagree with you I would like to point out that a spouse is a choice that you make of your own free will. The type of person that you choose as a mate for life should in someway come back as a reflection of the type of person that you are.
A mother....well ....lets just say that's not a choice that was yours to make.
Your parents gave you life. Whether you chose to be just like them or exact opposites...that connection is something a person has no control over and IMPO not be something that should be able to be used as a mark against somebody....
When my DS was growing up playing little league and they were picking the All-Star teams......many players made the team because of who the parents were......my poor Matt made the team IN SPITE of who his mother was....
I've mellowed out in my old age...If you think that I am too opinionated now....just imagine what I was like when I was really bad 10-15 years ago.
I've decided to look at it this way.....the experience of having to deal with a Pain In The Ass (PITA) mother...(very close to a PIMA mother) should come in handy when having to deal with difficult people as an officer in the AF.
The military is another one of those places where you don't get to choose the people that you work around....but rather must find a way to deal with and handle it.
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LMAO riroka.
Did almost the exact same thing when we lived in England. One account was our LBs account, one was the dollar account. We kept a min in the lbs since it was only for utilities. I wrote a check off the lbs for cash in dollars and lo behold it bounced.
Bullet had to step in front of the Commander to explain why.
Getting off track, but be warned it has not changed in the AF because that is part of TS too...finances.
We didn't have the internet back than, but I laughed at the military in 94. We were at Pope, Bullet was an ALO, it came down on Sunday that we were probably going to invade Haiti. The members had to get everything in order for a bag drag, and many young enlisted were rushing to the court house to get married. Did they think Fayetteville didn't notice military members hitting Walmart for specific items after the PX sold out. Or the news didn't notice every heavy on the east coast lined up on Pope's runway? Or families parked on the flight line with children watching as the planes took off....or nonetheless that you saw no military personnel in town after Thursday because they were all in lockdown....They departed on Sunday,
As much as we should discuss security regarding the internet, remember that this is a technology age.
For cadets, here is something I will suggest. Drop instagram. Nobody needs to see or cares what you are doing 24/7. How many friends you have on FB earns you no award, except a higher chance of being caught for stupidity.
~~~ Maybe a conspiracy theory, but I think the reason each set has a FB page is in part because you befriend them and now they have easy access into your pics.
Us old people like Riroka, Romad, and myself can remember AFN {Arm Forces Network). They don't have the great commercials like the VW Darth Vader, instead it is constant OPSEC commercials. Loose lips sink ships,...OMG my HS video club produced higher quality with our drama dept than theirs'
Back on topic.
EAs will drop soon enough. Next year it is up to you to carry the baton, answer questions, reduce fears and give hope. You leave after this, all you accomplish is creating stress for cadets and parents.
~~~ Posters criticizing other posters, be it best intentions will only result in a loss of active posters. I have eaten my fair share of crow when cadets have singled me out. Most left as soon as their issue they came here for was resolved. They moved on with their life. I would love to leave too, but, my picture is different as a poster than many. I have been here now 7 years, like hornet, Christ Corp, fencer. I.E was a parent of the 55% club, and few if any were given 500s. Nursing and meteorology majors were considered critical manning...not so much now.
Just saying, think about the big pic of why this forums exists. Big stick doesn't work on forums
If you have been criticized, learn from it and move on. YOU do not matter. THEY do!
Defending this great nation is an unselfish act.
For those that may criticize parents for being overly involved, remember they too are indirectly serving. it is their child that may die to defend your freedom. Let them worry. Let them vent. Let them learn at their own pace.
Above all, thank them for supporting their child that is willing to do this because G forbid they will be the ones crying over their grave, not you. Someone that has been in management, hitting someone with a stick rarely if ever results In a positive morale reaction. Not saying the 180 degree is the way to go either. Just saying on this holiday weekend, treating unto others as you would like to be treated is the best method.
Off my soap box
Did almost the exact same thing when we lived in England. One account was our LBs account, one was the dollar account. We kept a min in the lbs since it was only for utilities. I wrote a check off the lbs for cash in dollars and lo behold it bounced.
Bullet had to step in front of the Commander to explain why.
Getting off track, but be warned it has not changed in the AF because that is part of TS too...finances.
We didn't have the internet back than, but I laughed at the military in 94. We were at Pope, Bullet was an ALO, it came down on Sunday that we were probably going to invade Haiti. The members had to get everything in order for a bag drag, and many young enlisted were rushing to the court house to get married. Did they think Fayetteville didn't notice military members hitting Walmart for specific items after the PX sold out. Or the news didn't notice every heavy on the east coast lined up on Pope's runway? Or families parked on the flight line with children watching as the planes took off....or nonetheless that you saw no military personnel in town after Thursday because they were all in lockdown....They departed on Sunday,
As much as we should discuss security regarding the internet, remember that this is a technology age.
For cadets, here is something I will suggest. Drop instagram. Nobody needs to see or cares what you are doing 24/7. How many friends you have on FB earns you no award, except a higher chance of being caught for stupidity.
~~~ Maybe a conspiracy theory, but I think the reason each set has a FB page is in part because you befriend them and now they have easy access into your pics.
Us old people like Riroka, Romad, and myself can remember AFN {Arm Forces Network). They don't have the great commercials like the VW Darth Vader, instead it is constant OPSEC commercials. Loose lips sink ships,...OMG my HS video club produced higher quality with our drama dept than theirs'
Back on topic.
EAs will drop soon enough. Next year it is up to you to carry the baton, answer questions, reduce fears and give hope. You leave after this, all you accomplish is creating stress for cadets and parents.
~~~ Posters criticizing other posters, be it best intentions will only result in a loss of active posters. I have eaten my fair share of crow when cadets have singled me out. Most left as soon as their issue they came here for was resolved. They moved on with their life. I would love to leave too, but, my picture is different as a poster than many. I have been here now 7 years, like hornet, Christ Corp, fencer. I.E was a parent of the 55% club, and few if any were given 500s. Nursing and meteorology majors were considered critical manning...not so much now.
Just saying, think about the big pic of why this forums exists. Big stick doesn't work on forums
If you have been criticized, learn from it and move on. YOU do not matter. THEY do!
Defending this great nation is an unselfish act.
For those that may criticize parents for being overly involved, remember they too are indirectly serving. it is their child that may die to defend your freedom. Let them worry. Let them vent. Let them learn at their own pace.
Above all, thank them for supporting their child that is willing to do this because G forbid they will be the ones crying over their grave, not you. Someone that has been in management, hitting someone with a stick rarely if ever results In a positive morale reaction. Not saying the 180 degree is the way to go either. Just saying on this holiday weekend, treating unto others as you would like to be treated is the best method.
Off my soap box
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Pima...I'm dying right now!!! Those AFN commercials are still stuck in my head!! Do you remember "don't shop when your hungry ....no, no, no!" Or the one about not rocking the vending machines or they will fall on you??
ERAU...my oldest goes to a school in the South. 2 years ago they had a hurricane and had to ride it out shut inside the school for 3 days. Well, the water was contaminated after the hurricane and I posted on the parent fb site that I sure was glad we had a water service for my son (the kid drinks soooo much water!!), so he was able to have drinking water and water to brush his teeth etc. Next thing I know I get a text from son saying "WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING POSTING ON FB THAT I HAVE WATER?!?!?!" Well, it seems quite a few people had their kids looking for my son so they could get water! Lol...i learned my lesson!
ERAU...my oldest goes to a school in the South. 2 years ago they had a hurricane and had to ride it out shut inside the school for 3 days. Well, the water was contaminated after the hurricane and I posted on the parent fb site that I sure was glad we had a water service for my son (the kid drinks soooo much water!!), so he was able to have drinking water and water to brush his teeth etc. Next thing I know I get a text from son saying "WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING POSTING ON FB THAT I HAVE WATER?!?!?!" Well, it seems quite a few people had their kids looking for my son so they could get water! Lol...i learned my lesson!
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Circa 1982
"This is AFN - It's 10 O'Clock in Central Europe -Parent's do you KNOW where your children are?" Except every New Years Eve when it was: It's 10 O'Clock in Central Europe - Children, Do you KNOW where your parents are?"
NO kidding!
"This is AFN - It's 10 O'Clock in Central Europe -Parent's do you KNOW where your children are?" Except every New Years Eve when it was: It's 10 O'Clock in Central Europe - Children, Do you KNOW where your parents are?"
NO kidding!
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LOL
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Breaking news
Hello From NATCON!
I have ***BREAKING NEWS*** for you all:
Tonight, I spoke with a cadet who (supposedly) sat at a table with Col. Wydra at the Air Force Association Luncheon. He said that a conversation at the table went something like this:
Cadet: So, sir, I have to ask, any word on EA's?
Col. W: Wow, your the first person to ask me about that... well, we are thinking... MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
Again, I was NOT there but this comes from a pretty credible source. So, good luck. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Hello From NATCON!
I have ***BREAKING NEWS*** for you all:
Tonight, I spoke with a cadet who (supposedly) sat at a table with Col. Wydra at the Air Force Association Luncheon. He said that a conversation at the table went something like this:
Cadet: So, sir, I have to ask, any word on EA's?
Col. W: Wow, your the first person to ask me about that... well, we are thinking... MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
Again, I was NOT there but this comes from a pretty credible source. So, good luck. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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I actually sat with him for dinner at the Air and Space museum and he did say that. Except he also said things can change and it not be Monday or Tuesday. But yes, Colonel Wydra said it should be out in the beginning of the week!
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He didn't happen to mention anything else about how things are looking? Thanks for letting us know what he has said previously though.
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He didn't happen to mention anything else about how things are looking? Thanks for letting us know what he has said previously though.
They are fighting for nonTech people. And trying to figure out numbers. Those were the main two points he brought up
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Was there any mention of how many cadets are up for EA'?
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Im assuming we won't find out about EAs tomorrow since we haven't heard anything today, or been given a time to report in or anything.
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Fun??
I thought they were supposed to be there gathering info for the SAF parents on EA's.....
Common you moms and dads.....share what you have learned from you DD and DS's.
I thought they were supposed to be there gathering info for the SAF parents on EA's.....
Common you moms and dads.....share what you have learned from you DD and DS's.