AFROTC Rated Boards 2016

Bullet said:
OK, I'll say it. You are NOT in the AF. You have NO clue as to what the AF does or how it accomplishes it's mission outside of this Hollywood Vision you have of it. And frankly, if this is going to be your attitude, please, by all means, feel free to become a Naval Aviator.
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Please enlighten me then, since as a retired WSO you should know what you're talking about. In all seriousness, I'd like to know what exactly the "Hollywood Vision" you're talking about is. I have a feeling you don't like the fact that I basically said the AF belongs (and always has belonged) to the flyers, just like the Army belongs to the infantry and the navy belongs to the fleet crew.
 
Tex232 said:
Yea, you're right Ducor Duco, I'm not in the AF. I just raised my right hand and swore an oath for the hell of it when I contracted on scholarship, so I guess by those standards then neither are you or the rest of anyone else who contracted in the POC.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the briefing where they fed us the politically correct Kool-Aid that "everyone should feel important". And people wonder why we get such a bad rap from the other services for being the "chair force"...
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I swore an oath the same as you, but until I pin on those bars and sign that REAL contract, it doesn't mean sh*t. Being in the IRR and in ROTC isn't the real AF, they can get rid of us anytime they want. ROTC is a 4-5 year job interview, screw up at any stage or simply have the misfortune to go up for a board during a lean year and you're done. If you don't realize that by now you're deluded.

I have to say, honestly and from the bottom of my heart:
I hope you'll be looking into a career with the Navy in about a month.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
I swore an oath the same as you, but until I pin on those bars and sign that REAL contract, it doesn't mean sh*t. Being in the IRR and in ROTC isn't the real AF, they can get rid of us anytime they want. ROTC is a 4-5 year job interview, screw up at any stage or simply have the misfortune to go up for a board during a lean year and you're done. If you don't realize that by now you're deluded.

I have to say, honestly and from the bottom of my heart:
I hope you'll be looking into a career with the Navy in about a month.
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So then if neither of us are really in the AF yet (which yes, I would agree with), then why the hell were you talking **** as if YOU were?

You hope I'll be looking into the Navy cause I don't match your picture-perfect image of a brainwashed cadet who can't think on his own two feet.
 
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:lolatyou: seriously?

It's time to step away from your keyboard and let this silly banter die.
 
@Tex232 I don't care what you do, but in my experience, it's never good to antagonize others on a public forum. These things have a way of finding you down the road...
 
Pima said:
That might not happen unless he is willing to pay them the AF to leave since he is a scholarship recipient and a 300.
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Oh I know, I just picked a forum safe way to say it'd be pretty hilarious to see this guy not get a pilot slot and then have to put his money where his mouth is. Navy wouldn't want someone like that anyways.
 
Well this turned out quite the interesting convo from just saying "it's not the end of the world if you don't get a rated slot".

Nonetheless all opinions on this forum are respected. But I personally won't be losing any sleep if I don't get a rated slot. Does that say I'm not passionate about it? Not at all. I've put in all the work I could to get myself in this position and to make myself as competitive as I can be. I'm fortunate enough to still have the opportunity to join the Air Force, because there are plenty of people who wish of being in the position we are in.
 
Tex232 said:
Please enlighten me then, since as a retired WSO you should know what you're talking about. In all seriousness, I'd like to know what exactly the "Hollywood Vision" you're talking about is. I have a feeling you don't like the fact that I basically said the AF belongs (and always has belonged) to the flyers, just like the Army belongs to the infantry and the navy belongs to the fleet crew.
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Really not my job. That's what your Cadre is supposed to be doing. And YOUR job in ROTC is to learn something about what the rest of the AF team does that enables the flyers to do their job. And what other communities do to contribute to the fight.

Your attitude, exemplified with idiotic statements that the majority of the non-flying community isn't really necessary, simply demonstrated to me that you either didn't listen (bad), or simply didn't care (worse).

Hopefully for you, you do get your dream and actually get to become an AF flyer. Hopefully for the rest of the AF, you'll quickly learn that while the flyers do indeed get most of the glory for their contribution to ONE OF the primary roles in the AF, there are quite a few other areas in the AF with just as important contributions to the war fight. Simply stated, the flying portion is the most glamorous and with the most history in our young service, and garners the most attention. That is the "Hollywood Vision" that the ignorant cling to and YOU seem to espouse -- that the rest of the AF sits on it's collective behind while the flyers do the real work. This couldn't be farther from the truth, and I hope you get a chance to see this fact for yourself one day. To publicly state that only the flyers count is an insult to the others in my service who work just as hard to contribute to the fight in areas that don't get the recognition simply because Hollywood doesn't make movies about their career field.

But I have to ask -- what if you DO get that rated slot, get through college and get your commission, and finally get through UPT only to get a "less than glamorous" flying slot in a "support" aircraft such as a Tanker? Based on your comments, I'm only going to assume you'll be less than happy to be stuck in a job that YOU find "not really necessary".

Now, go back and read those AS100 books you obviously had collecting dust in your dorm room and learn what the rest of the AF does besides flying. Or, go see the NROTC unit about a transfer.
 
Bullet said:
OK, I'll say it. You are NOT in the AF. You have NO clue as to what the AF does or how it accomplishes it's mission outside of this Hollywood Vision you have of it. And frankly, if this is going to be your attitude, please, by all means, feel free to become a Naval Aviator.
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Considering how NOT air-focused the sea services are...we don't want him either.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
Navy wouldn't want someone like that anyways.
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I'd like to see that interview.
NROTC/OCS recruiter: Tex, so why are you deciding to leave AFROTC only 1 year from commissioning?
Tex: I want to be a pilot and the AF wouldn't give me a slot, so I want to go Navy now.

Gee, that will go over well with them being told that the Navy was not his 1st choice until the AF didn't give him his 1st choice.

No offense, Tex, but honestly how do you answer that question without digging yourself into a hole?
 
TeX, trust me, I get it. I shared your dream to fly in the AF, and I consider myself very fortunate that I was able to achieve that dream. I KNOW how crushing it could be to not get that dream. But I'll pass you on some words of wisdom from my personal experience -- while I loved being a flyer, I quickly came to realize that I LOVED being an officer in the AF even more. I loved being a part of the AF family, and getting to experience other areas of the AF outside of the cockpit (for your awareness, it is VERY rare for a flyer to have an entire career exclusively in a flying job. The VAST majority will only spent 12-15 years of a 20 year career in a cockpit, and a few tours doing "other things"). You'll spend the majority of your early years focusin gmexclusively on learning the basics of flying, and learning to employ you aircraft. But you'll also start to see a taste of what other communities are doing to contribute to the full mission -- be they an Intel officer getting you the latest data on your target and the threats, to a JTAC on the ground controlling your strike, to the cyber guy doing stuff I'm not gonna discuss here but helps ensure your mission is successful and your pink behind gets home safely. You'll get to your first RED FLAG or combat deployment and see that without those other "not necessary" jobs, you won,t be able to do YOUR job.

Sincerely, I hope you get your dream and you get to experience that. Not getting a rated slot? That crushing feeling? Yeah, I get it. But I think you're making a BIG mistake, and being condescending about it, if you don't at least consider a Plan B. You'll have the "if only's", sure. But you may actually love what your doing, and eventually see how much you contribute to the team.
 
Bullet said:
Really not my job. That's what your Cadre is supposed to be doing. And YOUR job in ROTC is to learn something about what the rest of the AF team does that enables the flyers to do their job. And what other communities do to contribute to the fight.

Your attitude, exemplified with idiotic statements that the majority of the non-flying community isn't really necessary, simply demonstrated to me that you either didn't listen (bad), or simply didn't care (worse).

Hopefully for you, you do get your dream and actually get to become an AF flyer. Hopefully for the rest of the AF, you'll quickly learn that while the flyers do indeed get most of the glory for their contribution to ONE OF the primary roles in the AF, there are quite a few other areas in the AF with just as important contributions to the war fight. Simply stated, the flying portion is the most glamorous and with the most history in our young service, and garners the most attention. That is the "Hollywood Vision" that the ignorant cling to and YOU seem to espouse -- that the rest of the AF sits on it's collective behind while the flyers do the real work. This couldn't be farther from the truth, and I hope you get a chance to see this fact for yourself one day. To publicly state that only the flyers count is an insult to the others in my service who work just as hard to contribute to the fight in areas that don't get the recognition simply because Hollywood doesn't make movies about their career field.

But I have to ask -- what if you DO get that rated slot, get through college and get your commission, and finally get through UPT only to get a "less than glamorous" flying slot in a "support" aircraft such as a Tanker? Based on your comments, I'm only going to assume you'll be less than happy to be stuck in a job that YOU find "not really necessary".

Now, go back and read those AS100 books you obviously had collecting dust in your dorm room and learn what the rest of the AF does besides flying. Or, go see the NROTC unit about a transfer.
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As a matter of fact airlift/tanker is my planned route. Thought I was a cocky fighter jock, didn't you?
 
I-am-Will said:
Well this turned out quite the interesting convo from just saying "it's not the end of the world if you don't get a rated slot".

Nonetheless all opinions on this forum are respected. But I personally won't be losing any sleep if I don't get a rated slot. Does that say I'm not passionate about it? Not at all. I've put in all the work I could to get myself in this position and to make myself as competitive as I can be. I'm fortunate enough to still have the opportunity to join the Air Force, because there are plenty of people who wish of being in the position we are in.
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Opinions are respected on this forum about as much as they were respected in Nazi Germany. One word that goes against the grain and you'll find the thought-gestapo jumping down your throat.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
Oh I know, I just picked a forum safe way to say it'd be pretty hilarious to see this guy not get a pilot slot and then have to put his money where his mouth is. Navy wouldn't want someone like that anyways.
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Oh so I see you're an expert on the Navy now, too.
 
45Golf said:
Easy there tex, try not to burn your bridges before you even make them.
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No really, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I'm just assuming he thought I intended to go fighters because of the perceived attitude.
 
Tex232 said:
No really, I wasn't trying to be a smart ***. I'm just assuming he thought I intended to go fighters because of the perceived attitude.
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Dont worry man I understand. There's alot of pride and emotionally-fueled shots being fired; this probably isn't the best setting to discuss these issues you feel so strongly about. Its good that you have something that lights a fire under your ass but if you take a step back and look at the big picture, what are you really accomplishing? It looks like Tex vs the rest of the world right now. Just humor me and give it a break for the night. Tomorrow you can start a new forum all about it or set up a meeting with your Cadre or something and you can rage and dissent to your hearts content.
 
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