Always call the Old Man when in doubt on the bridge

The young 3rd Mate's career might be over just as it got started and might be taking the Old Man with him/her.

I agree with your title line but perhaps the 3rd mate will be OK.

Both the Master and Chief Mate left the bridge to go to dinner. And quoting “The report highlights the ship’s standing order said the master was required to be on the bridge whenever they were navigating near shallow waters. The investigation cites the master for not following navigation procedures.”
 
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3rd Mate and Master will be fine and both still working for MSC. Probably a write up for a 3M and a refresher on BRM and MSC SMS for the master. He's a federal employee with many years federal service -- if they did want to take him off the ship they'd have to offer an equivalent position in the office
The young 3rd Mate's career might be over just as it got started and might be taking the Old Man with him/her.
Total exaggeration here.
 
3rd Mate and Master will be fine and both still working for MSC. Probably a write up for a 3M and a refresher on BRM and MSC SMS for the master. He's a federal employee with many years federal service -- if they did want to take him off the ship they'd have to offer an equivalent position in the office

Total exaggeration here.
Well as desperate as MSC is for officers you probably right.
 
Well as desperate as MSC is for officers you probably right.
Has nothing to do with desperate or not. I am right, no probably there. Do you know anything more than from reading the internet? more than someone actually at MSC?
 
Well as desperate as MSC is for officers you probably right.
He is right.. I had an engineer classmate that worked at MSC tell me that the more machinery you destroyed in the engine room, the faster you got promoted.. He also told me some of the incompetence he witnessed when he worked there was breathtaking. As soon as he got his book in the MEBA he was gone [along with a few other classmates that fetched up at MSC after we graduated]. Why anyone would work there is beyond me; especially now with how good shipping is out of the union halls.
 
He is right.. I had an engineer classmate that worked at MSC tell me that the more machinery you destroyed in the engine room, the faster you got promoted.. He also told me some of the incompetence he witnessed when he worked there was breathtaking. As soon as he got his book in the MEBA he was gone [along with a few other classmates that fetched up at MSC after we graduated]. Why anyone would work there is beyond me; especially now with how good shipping is out of the union halls.
This might have something to do with the choice. In my day MSTS paid identically with the union which was on strike at graduation.

"Average Annual Salary: $156,502 + $35,688 BONUS"​

 
This might have something to do with the choice. In my day MSTS paid identically with the union which was on strike at graduation.

"Average Annual Salary: $156,502 + $35,688 BONUS"​

For 11 months at sea and 1 month off! I'd make that for 6 months on the Pineapple Run in MEBA.
 
Has nothing to do with desperate or not. I am right, no probably there. Do you know anything more than from reading the internet? more than someone actually at MSC?
I know they're desperate.. Hence all the MSC guys showing up at my local MEBA hall with 1sts licenses with the same story, low pay and no reliefs. 11 months at sea? Efff that!!
 
I know they're desperate.. Hence all the MSC guys showing up at my local MEBA hall with 1sts licenses with the same story, low pay and no reliefs. 11 months at sea? Efff that!!
Hmmm...($223,537 +$ 43,300) x 11 = $2,935207

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I did it for many years with Matson Navigation.. 🍍it doesn’t get much sweeter than that, brah..😉🤙🏼
Hmmm...($223,537 +$ 43,300) x 11 = $2,935207

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Braddah you'll make that same money in half the time sailing for Matson Lines as an MEBA engineer. Hence all the MSC refugees showing up at the MEBA hall in Oakland, Long Beach and Honolulu with their First Licences.
 
The sugar run, also for Matson. It was one of my cadet ships and if not for other life choices I would have just camped out doing that for a sailing career and been very happy.
Retired on the Pineapple Run. Decided to make the islands my retirement home.
 
This might have something to do with the choice. In my day MSTS paid identically with the union which was on strike at graduation.

"Average Annual Salary: $156,502 + $35,688 BONUS"​

Strikes are always gonna be a possibility when you ship out of the union.. but they are a very rare occurrence. In the nearly 35 years I shipped out of the MM&P there was only one that I experienced. That was the '84 tanker strike. Unfortunately that didn't end well for the Mates. I had managed to get a permanent Chief Mates job with APL right before it happened. I almost made the mistake of taking a permanent Chief Mates job with Trinidad Tankers before I accepted the APL berth. Talk about blind luck.. I haven't heard anyone refer to MSC as MSTS in a long time.. I'm sure you've heard what they used to say that stood for, right? Get your shovels out boys! 🙂 IYKYK
 
Hmmm...($223,537 +$ 43,300) x 11 = $2,935207
Hmmm... for 11 years that’s about right.. and probably about what you’d make out of the union hall.. except at MSC you’d have to work an additional 5 months more a year for it.

So, getting back on the topic of this thread..
I used to hold a 'Deck Officers Conference' on the bridge of my ship almost every voyage. During that conference I went over calling the Master when in 'doubt'. I defined the term doubt for them as..
1. If you're unable to understand what another vessel is or isn’t doing.
2. If you do not know what you should do in any situation.
3. If you encounter anything that may adversely effect the vessel in any way.
4. Anything you do not understand.
I also went over my Bridge Standing Orders, paying particular attention to the 23 circumstances in which I must be called and how I can be reached. [by dial phone, UHF radio, general alarm, etc.]
I used to wrap up the 'doubt' part of the DOC with the statement.. 'If you ever think to yourself – “I wonder if I should call the Old Man”then you should've already done so.'
 
Nah. Hell, the third mate was on watch when the EXXON VALDEZ ran aground. He kept on sailing. . . . .
Captain Joe, on the other hand, didn't fair too well..
 
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