Another career bites the dust due to stupidity

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They would never make an unqualified individual accountable.


This is just my own curiosity (and is a bit tangential to the thread, I admit)--

What if, say, the CO died while the ship was in the Indian Ocean? I'd imagine the XO would be temporarily in charge until a replacement could be found (flying missions the whole time). That's more of an emergency situation, so I guess they'd have to in that circumstance. With Big E, it would seem the best thing to do is delay until a new skipper can report. Sucks for the current carrier on station.
 
This is just my own curiousity (and is a bit tangential to the thread, I admit)--

What if, say, the CO died while the ship was in the Indian Ocean? I'd imagine the XO would be temporarily in charge until a replacement could be found (flying missions the whole time). That's more of an emergency situation, so I guess they'd have to in that circumstance. With Big E, it would seem the best thing to do is delay until a new skipper can report. Sucks for the current carrier on station.
You got it. Sucks for the Big E too. Deploying with a brand new skipper. They should be a well-oiled machine now, everyone knowing and understanding everyone else. Not the perfect time to learn each other's management and leadership styles.
 
You got it. Sucks for the Big E too. Deploying with a brand new skipper. They should be a well-oiled machine now, everyone knowing and understanding everyone else. Not the perfect time to learn each other's management and leadership styles.

Yeah, and given all the negative press, it would appear that the only entertainment they have to look forward to is a continuous loop of Disney Channel programming.

I'm not sure The Suite Life of Zach and Cody is what I'd want to watch after working a 16-hour shift on the flight deck.
 
Yeah, and given all the negative press, it would appear that the only entertainment they have to look forward to is a continuous loop of Disney Channel programming.

I'm not sure The Suite Life of Zach and Cody is what I'd want to watch after working a 16-hour shift on the flight deck.
And everyone afraid they will be courtmartialled if they so much as crack a smile.

I truly feel sorry for the entire crew and air wing.
 
Sprog,

Let's be real using your death of a CO as an example. The Navy always has some one waiting in the wings to take a command.

The military is not very different than the corporate world because both do strategic personnel planning.

Common sense would dictate that if only this one officer can do this one position as a Field grade, not Flag, but Field (O6 is field) in a war time scenario, than the Navy is SOL and they have bigger issues than just this video.

Yes, it is a specific position and they need specific squares filled, but I highly doubt that this is their only go to guy.

As you stated XO positions are the learning grounds for the CO. Many of them are below the zone and are very capable.

This conversation is actually moot since they were not pulling out of port tomorrow, but a few weeks from now.

Bullet was nailed with assignments and job offers with only 48 hrs to respond as an O5. They have their back ups. Anyone who has ever associated with O6+ know they interview for these jobs. It isn't granted that you were XO on that ship you will become CO.

Walk around the Pentagon, and you will quickly see that many of the officers are buying time and filling squares. It will be a PITA to grab a guy/gal to take command for someone who just reported there after doing a sea tour, but let's be brutally honest...what O6 just off a sea tour is going to turn down the command even if it means 8-10 months at sea, knowing full well that they will get a star out of it?

As far as delaying, let's remember if they delay, that means another carrier would have to stay longer. Now you have a whole new morale issue because other members/families are impacted.

If the Navy can not find a replacement for Honors with weeks in advance you will see a whole new story come out for the media. That one will be entitled is the "Navy stretched too thin?"

For the avg American if that ship does not get underway on schedule or close to it, they will now be saying it is stretched too thin and that will create larger DOD issues.

I'm not sure The Suite Life of Zach and Cody is what I'd want to watch after working a 16-hour shift on the flight deck.

You have stated that you do not have military experience...these guys/gals are not living pre-1990. They have laptops, internet and portable DVD players. Disney is not their only option.

As a spouse, I would have much rather been in Bullet's shoes. He knew that.

Sorry, but cry me a river, you work 16 hrs in a career you chose. Spouses get left holding the bag. Bullet when he was in the green zone, got 30 minutes a day to himself. I was lucky for 5, and that was while I was in the shower. He lived his career dream, and I was left holding the bag so he could do it. I was the bill payer. I was the driver. I was the housekeeper. I was the one who hid the facts about the dangers their father was facing. I did it 7 days a week, 365 days a yr while I also worked my own career. I never had one regret, and still would turn back the clock to do it again, but this 16 hr workdays is BS when it comes to defending why any officer would go to this level. Moreover anyone who can defend them by saying it is just blowing off steam or stress.

I can make excuses all day long for my actions, but the key word here is excuses.

To defend his actions with the excuse that it is a stressful environment weakens his case, because all it says to me, is he couldn't handle the pressure.

Anyone who wants to use pressure as an excuse. please try again. It is also becoming very apparent that the defense of this officer's actions flip flop from...morale boosting/relieving job stress, no replacement available, military life, and acceptable tv.
 
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You got it. Sucks for the Big E too. Deploying with a brand new skipper. They should be a well-oiled machine now, everyone knowing and understanding everyone else. Not the perfect time to learn each other's management and leadership styles.

Having spent a short time on a carrier and seen up close how it is an amazing "nightmare of constant insanity" that actually is well coordinated and works (blew my mind!)...

This was my concern: how this impacts the "E" about to head out...the ship I saw (Nimitz) was such a "coordinated" maelstrom, everyone just seemed to know what everyone else did. I asked and was told "Oh, that's from lots of working with the captain, crew, and our shakedown..."

Now what? New skipper shows up and off they go?

Scary.

Steve
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Max,

I disagree. I think because he offended homosexuals and women the media has found a story to hook their teeth into.

I bet every news network is trying to put names to every face in those videos and they will go to the DOD asking about these people who took part in the skits.

They are going to go and find the anonymous sources in the Pilot and and try to find someone/anyone to go on record. It won't be hard because not everyone on that ship in 06/07 are still in the Navy so they will not have the fear like those who are still AD. There will be people who want their 15 minutes of fame willing to dish dirt about how the other side felt.

Additionally, because the new Congress is not in yet, it is a slow news cycle which means they will keep on this.

If anyone remembers Tailhook, it started off like this, a small story, it gained steam and it became a national story very quickly all because one person talked about the antics they saw 1st hand. From there others came out and some to save their career gave up freely the names of others.

The problem for the Navy is that the media is already equating this to Tailhook. This comparison now brings another twist to the story that the media can and will bite off on...did the Navy really change at all after Tailhook?

Pima, you missed my next sentence.

I'm sure this will be swept under the rug neatly, never to heard about again in the next 3 or 4 news cycles. Unless the Navy goes against their usual "protect their own" decorum and outs this guy as a homophobe, where the media will gladly pick it up and use it in their latest triumph of the repeal of DADT. It's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out.
 
Having spent a short time on a carrier and seen up close how it is an amazing "nightmare of constant insanity" that actually is well coordinated and works (blew my mind!)...

This was my concern: how this impacts the "E" about to head out...the ship I saw (Nimitz) was such a "coordinated" maelstrom, everyone just seemed to know what everyone else did. I asked and was told "Oh, that's from lots of working with the captain, crew, and our shakedown..."

Now what? New skipper shows up and off they go?

Scary.

Steve
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Actually the rumor is that the old skipper who Capt Honors just relieved last summer is on his way back. Great news. The flight deck crew and air wing have been doing workups pretty steadily for the last six-eight months so they are ready. And they don't have to 'train' a rookie skipper. The issues would be more between the Air Boss and a new CO than between the CO and the flight deck crew. However, an Air Boss attempting to answer a new skipper's questions and anticipate the next one is not watching the flight deck. And that can bite quickly.
 
Somehow, I would not expect this from a fellow service retiree, enjoying the discomforts of a sister service. Think instead about the obvious turmoil among the sailors aboard one of our ships preparing to sail into harm's way.

Similar to sending thousands of men into combat, with a civilian social program on their backs for political expediency.
 
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This happened back in 07? Sounds like someone was jealous he got the job. Think DADT had anything to do with it?
 
Actually the rumor is that the old skipper who Capt Honors just relieved last summer is on his way back. Great news. The flight deck crew and air wing have been doing workups pretty steadily for the last six-eight months so they are ready. And they don't have to 'train' a rookie skipper. The issues would be more between the Air Boss and a new CO than between the CO and the flight deck crew. However, an Air Boss attempting to answer a new skipper's questions and anticipate the next one is not watching the flight deck. And that can bite quickly.

"Great news" :confused:

So....the CO of the ship, that had the XO who made poor judgment calls.... the guy who trained him, is now back. Yeah, that's great news if you liked the videos.

I'll bet he doesn't take over, I'll bet he's cooling his b*** ch**** off at a desk once the investigations start.
 
This happened back in 07? Sounds like someone was jealous he got the job. Think DADT had anything to do with it?
2006 AND 2007. I think it was someone attempting to get the deployment delayed and DADT provided a perfect window to release the videos. Someone had to have access to all the tapes. No one else in position to assume command at this time would have been on board at that time. Could have been a purely personal vendetta though.

So....the CO of the ship, that had the XO who made poor judgment calls.... the guy who trained him, is now back.
No.
 
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2006 AND 2007. I think it was someone attempting to get the deployment delayed and DADT provided a perfect window to release the videos. Someone had to have access to all the tapes. No one in position to assume command at this time would have been on board at that time. Could have been a purely personal vendetta though.
Or- maybe somebody was just so bent off that a guy could make such remarkably inappropropriate garbage and then actually get promoted and take command of one of the crown jewels of the US Navy.
A personal vendetta implies there is nothing there other than jealousy or petty dislike or revenge, but virtually every military professional- and every admiral I've seen interviewed makes the same point: THIS IS GROSSLY UNPROFESSIONAL and completely out of line with the values and judgement that the Navy and the military profession expects from it's officers. So if it's a personal vendetta- this Captain handed them the tools and the only thing they gained with this timing was delaying the termination of this Captain's career, because if this had come out then, his career would have died in place.
 
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Or- maybe somebody was just so bent off that a guy could make such remarkably inappropropriate garbage and then actually get promoted and take command of one of the crown jewels of the US Navy.
Had it hqappened before his change of command I would have definitely agreed with you. A month or so after, maybe. If they are as horrible as you think, they would not have needed the coattails of DADT. That they waited until the eve of a deployment speaks volumes. There are a few sailors in most commands who are willing to scheme anything to get out of cruise. Some are pretty far fetched.
 
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New CC of Enterprise

Listed on the website of the USS Enterprise in the last hour or so...

Captain Dee L. Mewbourne
(formerly commanded CVN-69, Dwight D. Eisenhower)

Steve
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Had it happened before his change of command I would have definitely agreed with you. A month or so after, maybe. If they are as horrible as you think, they would not have needed the coattails of DADT. That they waited until the eve of a deployment speaks volumes. There are a few sailors in most commands who are willing to scheme anything to get out of cruise. Some are pretty far fetched.

Maybe they (the whistle blower) just didn't want this washed under the rim during the Holidays, and waited till the media was back in full swing.

If they needed the coat tails of DADT, they would have announced it before it was appealed, that makes sense.


Mongo, what was the CO's name when Honors was the XO on the Big "E"? The new RADM, and where is he now?
 
Listed on the website of the USS Enterprise in the last hour or so...

Captain Dee L. Mewbourne
(formerly commanded CVN-69, Dwight D. Eisenhower)

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

If you try to go to pictures on the site, they have removed all of them and put Mewbournes official portrait there instead. As to his bio, half way down this is jambed in:

In September 2010, Captain Mewbourne reported to
Navy Cyber Forces as the Chief of Staff.


Captain Mewbourne reported as Commanding Officer of USS Enterprise in January 2011.

I'll bet his wife is real happy about this....I'll bet she was looking forward to getting into the Virginia Beach scene with a now full time hubby with his ticket punched. He must have been real close to his first star one must think.
 
Listed on the website of the USS Enterprise in the last hour or so...

Captain Dee L. Mewbourne
(formerly commanded CVN-69, Dwight D. Eisenhower)

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

USNA Class of 82 grad.
 
I've sat back and read this string for the past couple of days. Here is my input. As my user name states I am coming up on my 30th anniversary in the Navy and still on active duty. I have completed 2 shipboard tours of duty, including one tour on the USS Nimitz. Although not an avaiator, I have also done a tour with the USAF and have seen the inside of their club.

Here is how I see the situation: 1) Captain Honors is well loved by his crew and many of his crew eagerly anticpated his weekly videos. This was a huge morale boost and most, not all, of his crew found them funny. I personally believe that the crew loved him because they found him personable and able to share a laugh. 2) Nothing in these videos is above what one might see on Comedy Central or SNL. Most of us agree that although crude, what we have seen on these videos is funny on some level. However he doesn’t work for them. 3) We have only seen a small snippet of what could be possibly more than 20 hours of video. Maybe what we have seen is the worst of all of the skits and the other 19 hours and 52 minutes are tame by comparison.

BUT!!! Of all those videos, there is 10 seconds that is going to hang Captain Honors; the part where he makes the following statement "Over the years I've gotten several complaints about inappropriate materials in these videos, never to me personally but, gutlessly, through other channels."

That statement is all the Navy needs to relieve this man. Since Tailhook, we have been taught proper behavior and we still use the “Green”, “Yellow” and “Red” light example of what is considered appropriate behavior. For an XO (or anyone) to receive complaints (regardless of the source) that his/her behavior is inappropriate and to not correct their behavior is unbelievable. This man needed a “rudder check” a long time ago. He has not lived up to the Navy’s Core Values and his being relieved of duty is not unexpected. And he should be relieved.

The Navy has already found a new CO to replace him and the ship will deploy on schedule. And as a P.S. for those of you who ask why the XO cannot just step into the shoes of the CO, here is a brief summary of the path to CO of an aircraft carrier.
- Nuclear Power school (6 months)
- Tour of duty as XO of an aircraft carrier (2 years)
- CO of deep draft ship (2 years)
- Finally CO of a carrier
- As previously mentioned most carrier CO’s put on flag rank upon completion of that tour of duty.
So as you can see the current XO of the Enterprise is several years behind in his training to be able to fill the shoes of CO in other than a temporary basis.
 
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