Any Scholarship Recipients Rethinking This Year?

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If it helps, consider these facts: not to get political but the truth is that this is not anywhere near as dangerous as TWO ACTUAL pandemics in our lifetimes: the 1957 Asian flu (H2N2 virus) and the 1968-69 Hong Kong flu (H3N2 virus). Those were far deadlier than this virus, and we did not halt and destroy our society in those cases. We survived and thrived.

Move forward.

According to the CDC " The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States. " for h2n2.
According to the CDC, " The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the united States." for h3n2.
According to the CDC, in the US we have 161,000 dead as of NOW. The death rate is currently rising (currently just over 1000 deaths a day).

So with COVID-19 we have more deaths than those other, as you call them, "real" pandemics and this pandemic isn't even over yet. Probably not even close to being over.
 
1957 US population was 172 million
116,000 deaths = .06% of population

1968 US population was 200 million
110,000 deaths = .05% of population

2020 US population is 331 million
162,000 deaths = .04% of population (so far)

ww2 US deaths 405,000, population of 131 million= .32% (Wikipedia)

ww1 US deaths 116,000, population 92million= .13% (Wikipedia)

Spanish Flu
In the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 850,000 died (0.48 to 0.81 percent of the population)
 
Montana, those are great points of comparison. I'll just note that ww2 & Spanish flu were both multiyear events. And half the deaths in ww1 (~18 months of us combat) were noncombat (and most likely Spanish Flu)

We're 164k dead deep 6 months in

And it took me 6 days post first fever to get a test taken and nine days for the results...

Welp!
 
1957 US population was 172 million
116,000 deaths = .06% of population

1968 US population was 200 million
110,000 deaths = .05% of population

2020 US population is 331 million
162,000 deaths = .04% of population (so far)

ww2 US deaths 405,000, population of 131 million= .32% (Wikipedia)

ww1 US deaths 116,000, population 92million= .13% (Wikipedia)

Spanish Flu
In the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 850,000 died (0.48 to 0.81 percent of the population)
Thank you for posting that. If you’re young and healthy and scared of covid...maybe you’re not smart enough to be an officer?
Montana, those are great points of comparison. I'll just note that ww2 & Spanish flu were both multiyear events. And half the deaths in ww1 (~18 months of us combat) were noncombat (and most likely Spanish Flu)

We're 164k dead deep 6 months in

And it took me 6 days post first fever to get a test taken and nine days for the results...

Welp!
hahw you tried comparing it by age? Covid deaths are not proportionate by age unlike other pandemics mentioned that didn’t discriminate and much more deadly for young people.
 
Thank you for posting that. If you’re young and healthy and scared of covid...maybe you’re not smart enough to be an officer?
Well that's a smart-alec remark that has no place here. People have different circumstances. They don't just have to consider their own health but also the health of those who live around them, Perhaps they live at home with their elderly grandparents while attending college (I actually know folks like that). Or perhaps their younger sister at home, has asthma, which puts them at higher risk. There is more to one's risk assessment than their own age, and the people who consider all their circumstances are, in fact, very smart.

hahw you tried comparing it by age? Covid deaths are not proportionate by age unlike other pandemics mentioned that didn’t discriminate and much more deadly for young people.
Nowhere in the post you quoted from Torero_dad was age mentioned. I fail to even see what your post could possibly be about.

Intelligent and insightful comments are welcome here. One should always think twice about what they are posting, especially if it's snarky.

'nuf said.
 
No @tennis. I’m not an epidemiologist, but I’ve taken a course in it long ago enough forgotten everything but the random facts about epi/pandemics. I wanted to good naturedly provide context and counterpoint to some posts that don’t adequately frame the scale of our unnecessary misfortune

One context I won’t provide is prioritization of who lives and who dies. The young and the lucky interact with the old and sick and unlucky. (Like my 40 something colleague dead with a newborn in crib).

That assessment is better made on one of Reddit‘s boards.
 
My DS is enrolled at American University - was supposed to move in to dorms next week but all classes online and no on campus living allowed. Georgetown Hoya ROTC Bn called him briefly last week to ask if he was still moving to DC and, if not, where the closest ROTC program was to us. We just aren’t willing to send him out to live on his own as a Freshman (and spend approx $5000) just to take online classes that he could do from home (which he IS doing). He’s willing to wait and see what Spring brings. He is a 3-year Advanced Designee but we were anxious for him to show up and rock PT test- he’s medically qualified...so hoping for a chance at 3.5 year upgrade. So - BLUF - we still haven’t heard final guidance from ROTC...I’m sure this is a challenge for them and I’m sure they really want to take care of each cadet, but the waiting is tough.
 
Well that's a smart-alec remark that has no place here. People have different circumstances. They don't just have to consider their own health but also the health of those who live around them, Perhaps they live at home with their elderly grandparents while attending college (I actually know folks like that). Or perhaps their younger sister at home, has asthma, which puts them at higher risk. There is more to one's risk assessment than their own age, and the people who consider all their circumstances are, in fact, very smart.


Nowhere in the post you quoted from Torero_dad was age mentioned. I fail to even see what your post could possibly be about.

Intelligent and insightful comments are welcome here. One should always think twice about what they are posting, especially if it's snarky.

'nuf said.

@kinnem ,

At the risk of being banned, let me take it a step further as someone, who along with Mrs. cb7893 had covid.

@TennisNerd02 ,

I'm in my 60's and never once worried about my own health, but rather about those around me. That's why we take precautions. My wife and I still follow the protocols for that very reason. You would feel much different if you tested positive and were responsible enough, which at this point you clearly aren't, to do a thorough contact tracing.

One of my contacts is a 60 something year old neighbor with pancreatic cancer for whom the clock is ticking. We had a short conversation
(maskless) in our front yards. We figured we were no closer that 6 feet. When I called to check on her she told me her doctors didn't want her to be tested for fear of hemorrhaging. Imagine her family spending their last time with her on an I pad.

If it were within my power I'd kick you out the door right right now.

If your puerile, callow attitude doesn't change, I hope you never become a Military officer.
 
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Just put DS in the car to head back south. MID/3 as programer MO has an SL billet and another functionary billet. He's ready to crush PFT, even if he has to hustle over to MCRD for someone to the proctor. He'll be living off-campus in apt owned by uni, one to a room in a 2 bed. Campus open for meals but no classes. They kept room price the same as if on campus in a triple and no need for LT lease if things go further south. NROTC is online for lectures and labs. PT on own. But he's got a MO roomy in the apt and several others in the complex. ROTC was designated critical at the last minute, in addition to international students.
 
My DS is enrolled at American University - was supposed to move in to dorms next week but all classes online and no on campus living allowed. Georgetown Hoya ROTC Bn called him briefly last week to ask if he was still moving to DC and, if not, where the closest ROTC program was to us. We just aren’t willing to send him out to live on his own as a Freshman (and spend approx $5000) just to take online classes that he could do from home (which he IS doing). He’s willing to wait and see what Spring brings. He is a 3-year Advanced Designee but we were anxious for him to show up and rock PT test- he’s medically qualified...so hoping for a chance at 3.5 year upgrade. So - BLUF - we still haven’t heard final guidance from ROTC...I’m sure this is a challenge for them and I’m sure they really want to take care of each cadet, but the waiting is tough.
Same boat. The dorms are officially closed now so we don't have to worry about a decision. And I also agree with not sending a freshman to live in an off-campus apt. Not worth the money or the risk.
 
Thank you for posting that. If you’re young and healthy and scared of covid...maybe you’re not smart enough to be an officer?

hahw you tried comparing it by age? Covid deaths are not proportionate by age unlike other pandemics mentioned that didn’t discriminate and much more deadly for young people.

Unbelievable. I hope this guy is just a troll and isn't actually pursuing a career in our military.

I want to make one thing VERY clear. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW OLD SOMEONE IS. If someone gets their life cut short needlessly by a disease, it should be universally considered bad. I thought our whole country understood that unnecessary death=bad but you are clearly proving otherwise.

If you are this unconcerned with the deaths of well over 150,000 Americans (and thousands more in the rest of the world) just because they're not young like in, "other pandemics mentioned," you need to SERIOUSLY rethink your entire view on things.

I will be starting ROTC this year. The ONLY apprehensions I have regarding joining the military are about potentially having to serve in the military alongside uncaring, unsympathetic, calloused people like you.
 
Ok folks. Calmly and rationally expressing an opinion here is fine, although it would work better in a separate thread on the "off topic" forum.

There is no place here for name calling and personal insults. If you can't keep it civil and non-personal then the appropriate steps will be taken.
 
These comments that I’m unconcerned w the safety and health of others so ridiculous and unfounded. You drive a car knowing you could accidentally get in an accident, does that mean you at a wreckless person who doesn’t care about the lives of others? Did you wear a mask during the flu season in 2018 or hide in your house? You say you hope I’m not an officer, bc you’re sensitive about the truth that covid is blown way out of proportion. I’m embarrassed for some of you people and these comments. Do you go around slapping cheeseburgers out of your loved ones hands? Bc heart disease is also much more deadly. Guess when people point out the truth it hits a nerve. Some very sensitive people on here, military might not be for you.
“Having to serve in the military alongside uncaring, unsympathetic, calloused people like you” wow man, good luck.
 
Unbelievable. I hope this guy is just a troll and isn't actually pursuing a career in our military.

I want to make one thing VERY clear. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW OLD SOMEONE IS. If someone gets their life cut short needlessly by a disease, it should be universally considered bad. I thought our whole country understood that unnecessary death=bad but you are clearly proving otherwise.

If you are this unconcerned with the deaths of well over 150,000 Americans (and thousands more in the rest of the world) just because they're not young like in, "other pandemics mentioned," you need to SERIOUSLY rethink your entire view on things.

I will be starting ROTC this year. The ONLY apprehensions I have regarding joining the military are about potentially having to serve in the military alongside uncaring, unsympathetic, calloused people like you.

1,228 Sailors on Roosevelt got the China virus. Only one died and he was 40, overweight and smoker. That’s .0008
 
@kinnem ,

At the risk of being banned, let me take it a step further as someone, who along with Mrs. cb7893 had covid.

@TennisNerd02 ,

I'm in my 60's and never once worried about my own health, but rather about those around me. That's why we take precautions. My wife and I still follow the protocols for that very reason. You would feel much different if you tested positive and were responsible enough, which at this point you clearly aren't, to do a thorough contact tracing.

One of my contacts is a 60 something year old neighbor with pancreatic cancer for whom the clock is ticking. We had a short conversation
(maskless) in our front yards. We figured we were no closer that 6 feet. When I called to check on her she told me her doctors didn't want her to be tested for fear of hemorrhaging. Imagine her family spending their last time with her on an I pad.

If it were within my power I'd kick you out the door right right now.

If your puerile, callow attitude doesn't change, I hope you never become a Military officer.

I’m a grown 55 year old man & not in the army. If a young person is in the AROTC and not home w their grandma then they aren’t putting many old or sick ppl at risk. 1,228 Sailors on Roosevelt got it. Only one died and he was 40, overweight and smoker. That’s .0008. Now I’m sure you worse a mask in 2018 during flu season right? I’m sure you don’t drive a car bc you could crash and hit someone right?
 
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No @tennis. I’m not an epidemiologist, but I’ve taken a course in it long ago enough forgotten everything but the random facts about epi/pandemics. I wanted to good naturedly provide context and counterpoint to some posts that don’t adequately frame the scale of our unnecessary misfortune

One context I won’t provide is prioritization of who lives and who dies. The young and the lucky interact with the old and sick and unlucky. (Like my 40 something colleague dead with a newborn in crib).

That assessment is better made on one of Reddit‘s boards.
I have a friend who is a single mother of four bc her husband died in a car crash. However, I still drive cars. So what point are you trying to make?There are real threats out there much more dangerous than the China virus. That is a fact. If people are truly concerned about going to college in person and attending AROTC, then they are in for a rude awakening if they think this is scary! Every high ranking officer I’ve discussed this with has expressed their concern about this youngest generation coming in and their lack of understanding that there is always going to be risk. There is risk in everything in the military or life. When the risk mitigation measures outweigh the cost you take a little risk.
 
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@TennisNerd02 I think the reaction here was to your earlier comment that midshipmen and cadets who do NOT attend their ROTC program at college are not smart enough to be an officer. You seemed to indicate its the only option at that time. You seemed to neglect that additional circumstances might impact their decision. You've since indicated that what not your intent. Good. Sorry if it was miscommunication or misunderstood.

Now, CEASE AND DESIST people.
 
The good news is that it seems no one has died due to a heart attack since March.


A guy on the news this morning said that unless you’re attending a college on a hill, locked down and surrounded by water, you shouldn’t reopen in person classes. Sounds like he described DS college on the Hudson.
I would like to hear what more scholarship awardees have chosen/been offered to do for this semester.
 
The good news is that it seems no one has died due to a heart attack since March.


A guy on the news this morning said that unless you’re attending a college on a hill, locked down and surrounded by water, you shouldn’t reopen in person classes. Sounds like he described DS college on the Hudson.
I would like to hear what more scholarship awardees have chosen/been offered to do for this semester.

My school has reopened campus for this semester. We will be going home for Thanksgiving break and not returning until after winter break. Masks are mandatory at all times when not in your dorm. All students living on campus will be tested at least once. 60 students are tested at random every day. The gym is closed and dining facilities are at 50% capacity. Many classes are only online and all classes have an online option. My ROTC courses are in-person but PT groups are smaller and masks are mandatory at all times.

I've been very pleased with how my school has handled things. Seems like everyone will be safe as long as protocols are followed. I'm currently living in a dorm with my roomate.
 
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