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fritz said:
Exactly. :thumb:
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I could be reading the statement wrong but from what I took, it wasn't that he couldn't it is that he wasn't willing. Why did he not go ROTC? I am not trying to insult you in any way here but I think you are being way over critical of the process only because YOUR son did not get selected so you are peeved over that, I get it. I was not selected last year and had a great application, re-applied this year and was offered an appointment. As for athletes, I am one and I know that this was the main thing that got me in(heck, I didn't even apply for a nomination), but I work my butt off to be at that level where I have those opportunities just as kids work in the classroom(I do that too). I think sometimes people forget how hard athletes work and think everything is given to them. Really it is just that we devote a lot of our time to something else that happens to be more recognizable and marketable.
 
"(heck, I didn't even apply for a nomination)"

The thread that just keeps giving. Your making my point!

And surprise, surprise, your reading into it wrong. It was that he couldn't
 
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globalview2 said:
I think sometimes people forget how hard athletes work and think everything is given to them. Really it is just that we devote a lot of our time to something else that happens to be more recognizable and marketable.
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I thought this was an interesting contribution as well. :confused:
 
Yes it is Dixie, and here I thought it was about grades and being a leader. :yllol: Wish I figured that out long ago.
 
This will be my last comment on the subject, but I have some experience in the area that globalview brought up so I wanted to chime in.

Just being on a high school sports team (even being the captain) is a very small commitment of time and attention vs those that would be Div1 IC athletes and on a totally different level.

My daughter is a recruited D1 athlete (not at an academy) and in HS she spends 15-20 hours per week on her sport as compared to those just playing high school spending 5 hours. She has played AAU basketball games with broken fingers (dribbling with only 1 hand) and soccer games with ACL injuries where she was in pain the whole time and finishes the game crying b/c of the pain but would never want to come off the field.

There is one aspect that globalview can help the Army sports team and that is great. The other aspect is that I am sure he has played in pain, persevered thru injuries and continued fighting the whole time. That is just part of being a Div 1 caliber athlete in most any sport. When you combine that with a smart kid it just so happens to be the recipe for the makings of a great officer.

When you compare 2 candidates with similarish grades, the Div1 level athlete and the kid that has done 1000 volunteer hours for the red cross, I just don't see how you can choose the red cross candidate. Both great kids, but one has better indicators that they will be in the fight when they are tired, hurt and scared.

Good luck globalview- I am glad you made it in and I am sure you will do great.
 
billyb said:
This will be my last comment on the subject, but I have some experience in the area that globalview brought up so I wanted to chime in.

Just being on a high school sports team (even being the captain) is a very small commitment of time and attention vs those that would be Div1 IC athletes and on a totally different level.

My daughter is a recruited D1 athlete (not at an academy) and in HS she spends 15-20 hours per week on her sport as compared to those just playing high school spending 5 hours. She has played AAU basketball games with broken fingers (dribbling with only 1 hand) and soccer games with ACL injuries where she was in pain the whole time and finishes the game crying b/c of the pain but would never want to come off the field.

There is one aspect that globalview can help the Army sports team and that is great. The other aspect is that I am sure he has played in pain, persevered thru injuries and continued fighting the whole time. That is just part of being a Div 1 caliber athlete in most any sport. When you combine that with a smart kid it just so happens to be the recipe for the makings of a great officer.

When you compare 2 candidates with similarish grades, the Div1 level athlete and the kid that has done 1000 volunteer hours for the red cross, I just don't see how you can choose the red cross candidate. Both great kids, but one has better indicators that they will be in the fight when they are tired, hurt and scared.

Good luck globalview- I am glad you made it in and I am sure you will do great.
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Ya know if only you guys would stop your broad based assumptions, because most of them have been wrong, you might be able to see someones point.
My son is a recruited Div 1 athlete by the way. :redface:
 
BigNick said:
I am one of the people authorized by WP to conduct the Official Interviews. I can tell you that THE INTERVIEW IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY HIGHLY RATED. This is usually the only time in the process that a WP official actually sees and talks to a candidate (except foe the students that go to the SLS). Of course the inteview can go well and that is a big plus for the candidate. However, there are many good interviews acroos the nation, so a good interview is not a guarantee of getting an offer. This is a VERY comptitive process!! I can tell you that many candidates do not get in due to a bad interview. I have also seen many fine candidates that were perfect at the interview not get in due to weaknesses in other areas.
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What determines which candidates get an interview? Apparently, not all successful applicants get an interview.
 
fritz said:
Ya know if only you guys would stop your broad based assumptions, because most of them have been wrong, you might be able to see someones point.
My son is a recruited Div 1 athlete by the way. :redface:
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For what sport and how good was he? Also I am starting to take offense to your comments about athletes. You have no idea of my background or grades either or why I did not apply for that nomination and why I was given one.
 
Falcon74 said:
What determines which candidates get an interview? Apparently, not all successful applicants get an interview.
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From what I've gathered, interviews are not required for an appointment. It would be almost impossible to interview all candidates.
 
Fritz,
I heard almost the same arguments from some other parents. Some were a few months ago when my son was offered admission to 2 Ivy league schools. The parents of kids who did not gain admission told me "the admission process was flawed", 'my son had an advantage being an athlete", blah,blah,blah. Then a few weeks later similar statements when my son was offered admission to a WELL known private university located in the SF Bay Area- "the admission process is flawed', 'the best kids did not necessarily gain admission', 'my son had an advantage being an athlete", blah,blah,blah. Now Fritz sit down for this one- according to my father he heard the same things when I was admitted to a well known highly competitive university 20+ years ago. No back on point who can recommend a good hotel for my family on A day!
 
fritz said:
"(heck, I didn't even apply for a nomination)"

The thread that just keeps giving. Your making my point!

And surprise, surprise, your reading into it wrong. It was that he couldn't
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Fritz old boy, you really read my post wrong.

I'll clear it up for you.

I meant your kid could not compete with the cadet that was in ROTC because that cadet took extra effort on his own to join ROTC and put himself in a better position to receive an appointment.

If you just turn in the same application as the first time, it's not going to do any better. Your kid had good Stats, but top 20% doesn't guarantee anything. I hope your doing a better job helping your son through all this then the bitterness your posting here.

Last thing I had to say, this is a waste of time.
 
Still in dark with respect to DS's status in the appointment process despite it being April 14th! He is making calls today to get some type of closure on this process. The not knowing has gotten to be like torture for whole family. He is 3Q'ed and apparently ranked very high (if not tops) by his MOC based on leaked information....and yet...nada at the mailbox. Uggh.
 
How unfortunate that a forum that is supposed to be helpful, has turned into this. I think we all can understand the frustration that is felt in this process. It is many years of ALOT of work, MANY service hours, MANY sleepless nights for all of the young men and women to achieve their dream. For many, it ends in disappointment. Not only for the candidate, but for the parents as well. Fritz, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I wish you and your DS the best! I hope he is stilling in the running for an offer. If not, I am sure he will excel without the SA's.
 
BOA,
That has been the nicest post on this thread in some time! I fully agree, there is a lot of frustration out there! Especially, for those candidates and parents (like Fritz) - who have spent countless hours preparing themselves for a process that is highly competitive, and yes - highly selective! And this term selective is quite subjective!
I have been through this process with my DS twice now! He is currently on the NWL (again) - which means his chances at this time are quite remote! He has done everything the right way - he has been a model student, athlete and citizen! Still there are going to be factors beyond his control that will ultimately decide his fate!
I take exception to the posts directed at Fritz - saying he could have done a better job preparing his son for this process. For those out there who have received appointments - Congratulations, I'm sure you deserved it. Be grateful and humble in receiving this honor because put in a different situation (geography, sex, minority status....) you would be on the other side looking in! In many cases, your qualifications are no different than the candidates not receiving appointments!
 
BillSL said:
From what I've gathered, interviews are not required for an appointment. It would be almost impossible to interview all candidates.
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Maybe a better choice of words would have been nominated candidates versus candidates. I agree that there would be little benefit to interviewing candidates that failed to receive a nomination.

Either way, if the interview is so important, why do only some nominated candidates receive interviews?
 
Perfectly stated Von Fritz! To you and me and Ohioparent and Fritz and the rest of those still waiting and praying to hear ANYTHING, I hope we hear good news!!! :smile:
 
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