anyone surprised?

Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by bruno, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. bruno

    bruno 5-Year Member Retired Staff Member

    Feb 2, 2008
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    Typical. Personally- I think that the entire BRAC process is mostly a scam with the savings overestimated by several orders of magnitude. But like most things that the government runs- nobody audits , and when they do nobody is accountable.
    (BTW is there any active duty member anywhere who actually calls these things "Joint Base xxx"? It's still Ft Lewis and McChord- and only the Army Times and non-DoD civilians who call it "JBLM" as far as I can tell.)
  2. raimius

    raimius 10-Year Member

    Jun 9, 2006
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    Pretty much...

    Not that I've run into. They're still Elmendorf, Andrews, McChord, etc.
  3. Aglahad

    Aglahad 5-Year Member

    Aug 25, 2011
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    When I am at home we always say Ft Lewis or McChord, never JBLM. Between North Ft Lewis, main post and McChord the term JBLM seems too broad. The joint base is just too big.
  4. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

    Apr 1, 2007
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    Yes, like this one:


    BRAC savings tainted by cost overruns
  5. Scratcher

    Scratcher 5-Year Member

    Jun 9, 2012
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    Unfortunately, you usually have to spend money to save money. Hopefully, in the long-term the DoD will learn to be more efficient at the Joint Basses. I know there was a fair amount of resistance to the initial implementation because one service wasn't comfortable giving up a capability at a base and depending on another service to provide that capability. Once the services get more comfortable counting on each other for support the cost will continue to decrease. Next's year's budget may force this to happen at a pretty fast pace.
  6. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    I love your optimistic view regarding efficiency.

    You do realize to most Americans govt spending and efficiency are polar opposite thoughts, right?

    When has our govt ever spent tax payer dollars efficiently?

    The idea that they need to get comfortable with each other is BS. Pope/Bragg, Elmendorf/Rich, McGuire/Dix all have been working together for decades, in many cases longer than I have been alive (46 yrs). However, the real problem is the military system. Certain costs can be lowered, i.e. hospital, and housing, but besides that very little can be saved. Commissaries and PX/BX are NAF, so this is not a factor. AFMPC at McChord will still be there for AF personnel, just like MPC will be there at Lewis when it comes to in/out processing. There will be duplication everywhere.

    When the last BRAC occurred Belvoir was the winner. The post size increased by 75,000 (military and contractors). 7 yrs later and you can see they are still building, drive on the post and all you see is construction. This fact is why the costs were not saved at the rate projected. Drive on any base/post that has new construction and you will quickly surmise that the projects never finish on time, nor on budget.

    I am from NJ, closing Monmouth was the smartest decision ever because that location is high real estate value. It was and is a land asset due to the proximity to the shore. Even if Dix wasn't connected to McGuire, it was still a smarter fiscal decision to close Monmouth. Dix is in the Pine Barrens (key OMG NO!) Land is cheap, the town exists solely for the military. Townies that rely on the military fight to keep the installations. Monmouth residents are affluent and closing the installation had little to no impact on their economy.

    Will the end cost be lower than currently projected? Maybe. Monmouth is an example of why I say maybe. The AF had some of their closed bases purchased by large corporations. I can't remember the base, but it was in AF Times as the success story. A real estate developer came in and purchased the whole base. They than converted it into a 55+ adult community for flying enthusiasts. The commissary was sold off to a grocery store chain, the hospital, BX, Bowling Alley were all sold off too. All they did was reno the homes, tore down majority of office buildings to put more homes up on, some were kept for business purposes (docs, lawyers, accts). They sold the community out within months. It had everything a 55 yr old+ buyer would want, gated community, golf course, multiple pools, community center, libraries and a runway with hangars to boot! I believe they also sold out the Q's to a hotel chain, which made it even more attractive... grown kids with their own children didn't have to stay at the folks home, they were able to walk to the parents home, and come back to the hotel at night.

    Like I said I am from NJ, not far from Monmouth, and my family(cousins) are salivating at the idea that this might become the dream 55+ community. Close to the shore, but walking distance to anything they want... hospital, banks, grocery stores, etc.
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2012
  7. scoutpilot

    scoutpilot 5-Year Member

    Apr 29, 2010
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    Never heard anyone in "real Army life" call it JBLM. It's just "Lewis."
  8. pilot2b

    pilot2b 5-Year Member

    Jul 8, 2011
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    I live only a couple hours from "JBLM" and I'm on base fairly frequently. Everyone on base there calls it Ft. Lewis of McChord as well.
  9. Jcleppe

    Jcleppe 5-Year Member

    Feb 10, 2010
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    Only during a Press Conference and in the Media. We also live nearby and still call it Ft. Lewis and McCord AFB.

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