Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by 17Lives, Mar 25, 2016.
Could some appointees post their full stats so I can see where I need to improve? Thanks.
look here, this will list all the averages and stats for the 2017 appointees. http://www.academyadmissions.com/admissions/advice-to-applicants/all-applicants/
Just got an appointment two weeks ago. Here are my stats.
1800 SAT (Super Score)
- ASB President
- Boys State
- County Youth Commisioner
- Pilots License
- Varsity Athlete
- Varsity Team Captain
- Part-time job
- National Honors Society
- 150 hours volunteer service
- after school tutor
Hope this helps give you an idea of what they're looking for. Let me know if you have any other questions.
What are your individual ACT scores
Appointment 2 March 2016
Marching band 4 years, jazz band 1 year, wind ensemble 3 years
Baseball 3 years
SAT- 630 CR, 650 M, 680 W
ACT-33 E, 29 M, 29 R, 25 S
Falcon Foundation to NWP
SAT-660 CR, 660 M, 730 W
ACT-35 E, 33 M, 25 R, 33 S
Don't think you should compare stats? All depends on the competitiveness of your district?
I don't see anything wrong with it.
Please be very careful with this as "stats" are not what get you into an Academy.
There are still those out there who have higher test scores and more activities and leadership not offered an appointment.
I would stick to the USAFA website and your ALO for your personal situation.
I disagree. Stats are what get you qualified for a look by the board. Stats are what gets you an LOA. The entire process starts with a candidate having good enough stats to continue the process.
Later in the process the other intangibles are taken into account and they may be the discriminator between those who get an appointment and those who don't. However, the Academy looks at statistics and scores first in order to decide who will make the first cut. They publish a class profile each year with statistics for a reason.
That is class of 2017. Which means that is stats for those who were appointed in 2013.
Your "stats" are extremely important for all the reasons Stealth said. In addition, your stats, after having been determined to have met some minimum by the SA, will then be competing at the state and congressional district level to determine who is the Principal Nom and/or who is #1 off of the MOC's slate. Due to this "geographic factor" there will be candidates that will be ranked #1 from one state and/or congressional district whose stats are not as good as a candidate ranked #10 from a different state/extremely competitive congressional district. The candidate with lesser stats ranked #1 will get an appointment and the candidate with better stats but ranked #10 will not. The SA does not rank order all 4000 candidates that receive a nomination and then offer appointments to the top 1200. It does not work that way. (This is one explanation why every year there are candidates that get offered a SA appointment but are told they do not qualify for a 4yr ROTC scholarship, and why each year there are candidates that earn a 4yr ROTC scholarship that aren't offered a SA appointment. ROTCs tend to be more strictly merit based without the geographic factor.) The best thing you can do is to work your hardest to make your stats that best they can be. Work on what you can control.
I agree they are important but wanted to send caution that if your stats are similar or even better it does NOT mean you are guaranteed to get in.
As stated in a previous post competition differs locally therefore what got this person in may not be what YOU need in order to be competetive in YOUR district.
Instead of asking for stats (since I've seen much higher than my son's for people still waiting to hear, and yet he received appointment offers in December and January), try to do something unique during your high school years. Being an Eagle Scout or attending Boys State are certainly awesome. My son got a rare opportunity (at least for anyone in our area) to serve as a U.S. Senate Page last summer following his junior year. He said it was the best experience he's ever had in his life and I'm certain that it helped his resume. Find summer opportunities to do exciting things if you are able to do so. Those things just might make you stand out.
DS got appointment to 2 SA & full NROTC $.
He did not do boy state or boy scout. He just did one sport at school (not even a captain). However, he got 2350 on SAT & a national merit scholar & ranks 3/350 (at competitive school). We feel he got in more for academics vs sports or leadership? You never know who gets in & why? So just do your best & do what you enjoy.
It's exactly as k$Mom said, it 100% depends on where you live. A 3.3 GPA and 27 ACT might get you in if you live in Wyoming, but you wouldn't have much of a chance in California or Colorado.
Who cares if they are called stats or not. You know exactly what I meant. Thank you to the people who actually responded with what the thread was actually asking for. Not politically correct terms and trying to prove others wrong.
Nobody is trying to prove you wrong or be "politically correct" (lol where did that even come from), we are simply making sure you know that the stats of other people from across the country don't really mean anything in terms of your shot at an appointment.
I'm assuming you're a 2021 candidate? Hey, so am I! I've learned a lot from the great people on this site, but the most important thing was that comparing stats can sometimes just stress you out and waste energy that could be instead spent on bettering your own stats.
Dude it's the Internet. This is the home of arguments lol but anyways here's my stats off the top of my head
Writing+English - 29
SAT - like barely 1850
2.5 years Jrotc (Corp commander+other job positions), 2 years soccer(captain) , 4 years track(distance team captain), Beta Club, Phi Theta Kappa, Dual Enroll (grad with Associates degree), 171 hours comm service, Save Our Animal Resources Treasurer (don't judge me lol I was trying to find opportunities for community involvement), CSSTRIDE, class rank 2 (woulda been first but I was a lazy kid back in the day), GPA -3.8ish, attended USAFASS, ran a half marathon+full marathon, College peer tutor for math and science, and That's all I can think of rn. My advice is buckle down on varietizing your extracurriculars while also pushing yourself to take tough classes. If I hadn't decided to take general chemistry 1 last semester and 2 this semester, along with college precalculus, applied calculus, and trig I probably would have no chance of getting an appointment, mostly because the community I'm from has horrible stats academic wise. In fact there was an article that said my hometown has not only one of the lowest SAT average scores in the nation but also the highest hs dropout rate. Not sure how accurate it is but I can tell you I wasn't letting my school stats screw my chances of getting an appointment. Hope that helps!
My DS got his LOA and MOC nominations in January. He has a 3.75 unweighted and 4.0 weighted GPA. He will have taken about 16 AP and IB classes by graduation in May. He had a 34 composite ACT with 35s in Math and English, a 34 in Reading and a 32 in Science.
His EC's included 3 years of letters on varsity tennis team that won 2 state titles, National Honor Society, French Club, Billy Mitchell award and numerous promotions in CAP. He was also very active in our church and school academic activities. He attended the USAFA and USNA Summer Seminars.
He was around 1800 on the SAT.
My advice from watching him is to understand there are no guarantees, but if this is your dream work at it all the time. It figures into your class courses, ECs, and generally building a strong resume of leadership and hard work. My DS seems to have enjoyed his high school years, but worked hard and kept his nose clean.
As you know, stats can be tricky. The same student earning a 3.5 at a rigorous high school might be a 4.5 at a lesser school. An all-state athlete might be a JV benchwarmer in another state. My guess is the SA admissions teams could make their jobs easier by simply filling their classes with straight-A varsity athletes, but instead dig a bit deeper beyond the stats and resume-fillers to seek who they feel will be the best officers.
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