Are Army ROTC Cadets in the Army?

I can't answer that question. I have heard anecdotal info that they will than go to the payment plan option with proof from you that you cannot get a loan.

I think for this person in question, the loan issue didn't come up because he already was working PT (15-20 hrs) yr round for over a yr making 20/hr. so wth the help of his parents taking loans along with personal loans he was able to swing it.

This goes back to the point I was saying, becareful, very careful when you sign and don't opt out.

I think Gojira would be the person to ask this question to since they were just handed a 143K bill. I think she said the Navy also wanted it a lump sum.:eek:
Remember they hired an attorney to fight his issue, so they also had attorney fees too. :thumbdown:
 
DS hasn't received a payment plan, yet. We have heard from different sources that it can be one lump sum or a payment plan (at their discretion). Payment plans for no longer than 10 years, but they prefer 3. And they like to tack on interest, too.

Our lawyer said that sometimes it takes DFAS up to two years after disenrollment to get the bill.
 
Just for clarification, what do cadets who are contracted but not on scholarship owe to the military if they drop or are dropped from their programs?
 
Are you questioning from a POC position?

If so I think that varies branch by branch.
 
Sjrlax69 said:
Just for clarification, what do cadets who are contracted but not on scholarship owe to the military if they drop or are dropped from their programs?
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You can search on google for a copy of the contract, it should spell all that out in detail.
 
Sjrlax69 said:
Just for clarification, what do cadets who are contracted but not on scholarship owe to the military if they drop or are dropped from their programs?
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Answering only for Army ROTC:

The Non-Scholarship AROTC Contract: http://armyrotc.missouri.edu/pdfs-docs/Forms/a597.pdf

See seciton 3.c.(1) and and 5.a. You would owe the Army two years of Active Duty service per that contract.

Now, here is the AROTC Scholarship Cadet contract: http://armyrotc.missouri.edu/pdfs-docs/Forms/a597_3.pdf

Notice that Section 3.c.(1) is the same as in the Non-Scholarship contract EXCEPT for an additional phrase: "and/or reimbursement" . So it appears there is no reimbursement obligation (of Stipend) in the Non-Scholarship Cadet Contract, while there is for the Scholarship Cadet Contract (Tuition+Fees+Books).
 
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dunninla said:
Answering only for Army ROTC:

The Non-Scholarship AROTC Contract: http://armyrotc.missouri.edu/pdfs-docs/Forms/a597.pdf

See seciton 3.c.(1) and and 5.a. You would owe the Army two years of Active Duty service per that contract.

Now, here is the AROTC Scholarship Cadet contract: http://armyrotc.missouri.edu/pdfs-docs/Forms/a597_3.pdf

Notice that Section 3.c.(1) is the same as in the Non-Scholarship contract EXCEPT for an additional phrase: "and/or reimbursement" . So it appears there is no reimbursement obligation (of Stipend) in the Non-Scholarship Cadet Contract, while there is for the Scholarship Cadet Contract (Tuition+Fees+Books).
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I think most of the post referring to pay back as an option were directed to scholarship cadets, 4, 3, and 2 year.

Looking at the contract you linked it does seem that Non Scholarship cadets have a different set of obligations once they start the Advanced course. It would be interesting to hear from Clarkson or Marist to see if they have any experience with non scholarship cadets leaving the program once they are contracted.
 
Might seem odd to say this, but why would a non-scholarship cadet sign in their jr yr, and decide one yr later to bolt in their sr yr? I am sure it happens, I just don't think there are a ton of POCs that were non-scholarship bolting a yr later.

I worry about any poster that wonders this question because to me it says when is the absolute last time I can leave without serving?
 
Pima said:
Might seem odd to say this, but why would a non-scholarship cadet sign in their jr yr, and decide one yr later to bolt in their sr yr? I am sure it happens, I just don't think there are a ton of POCs that were non-scholarship bolting a yr later.

I worry about any poster that wonders this question because to me it says when is the absolute last time I can leave without serving?
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It is probably more a question of what if something happens. I think your right that most cadets that contract their junior year choose to stay with the program, but things happen.

A senior, a couple years ago, in my son's battalion was a non contract cadet, he unfortunatly received a DUI over the winter break. This certain cadet ended up being required to enlist after getting a waiver for the DUI but was not allowed to commission.
 
Thanks for the info, I was just wondering because,its a big decision for me and Have not contracted yet so I was wondering about all the details of any scenario that could occur if i was contracted. Thanks again for the info folks
 
Jcleppe,

I see your point.

Not to divert, but something cadets need to understand, drinking underage or driving while intoxicated is not tolerated!

A few yrs back there were 2 AFA grads on casual status at our base with pilot slots. Got a DUI, kicked out of the AFA, and was promptly handed a bill for their SA education!

They lost everything by the time they were 23 yrs old.

One of the bennies we talked about was that USAA loan. Yep, USAA went and jacked up the % rate, than immediately closed the account because they had no job, plus a huge amount of debt. Their credit rating went in the tanks. Once USAA closed the account, so did other credit card companies.

There they were no job, tons of debt, and a credit rating that is killed all because they ordered one more drink when they should have ordered a cab! Every AF squadron has a volunteer DD phone tree. All they had to do was call one of these two, but they didn't. They were arrogant and ignorant.

Also be smart, kids these days believe the more friends they have the better on social networks. The fact is the more friends you have the higher chance you will get burned!

Kids love to post pictures. If they join for instance the det/unit page, everyone gets to see those pictures. They also get to see the comments too. I.E. Man you were drunk! With your response: Bro, my hangover was so bad, my head still hurts 2 days later.

Your command may be old, but they know how to work social media sites via the back door.

I am not friends with any of my kids on FB, but I am smart enough how to use the back doors. It took only once for me to ask him a question knowing I only could know that through FB to have the light bulb go on! If Mom could see it, and I am not her friend, but I am on a member of a group page, that means so can my commander. He of course was a very good friend and informed his friends of this fact too. It was funny to see how fast pics started to come down! His realization sanitized the whole det page to make them look like angels with Halo's.
 
EDelahanty said:
Congratulations on your four year scholarship.

As an ROTC cadet, you are not in the army.

Unlike West Point cadets (as well as cadets at the USAFA and USCGA and midshipmen at the USNA), you are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

You are not obligated to pay back the scholarship or serve if you leave the program until the beginning of your second year as a student.

You may be attending Airborne or Air Assault School with West Point cadets. Otherwise, you will not be in the same boat with them unless it is the Staten Island ferry.
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You are wrong. Contracted ROTC Cadets are subject to UCMJ and do have to pay back scholarship if they leave early. You are wrong.
 
Stealth_81 said:
Not to derail this thread any more, but son is at Laughlin with an AT&T iPhone 4S and has 4G service. Laughlin has great AT&T coverage.

Stealth_81
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The bigger issue is why is your son using an Iphone 4G. 👿
 
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