Are Masks coming back?

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Most are not scared of the virus itself.
This is me - I am not scared of the virus. I have no co-morbidities, am incredibly healthy and have no family members at risk. Howerver, I do have a history of infertility. Though I am past child-bearing years, I do not want my children to take a vaccine that hasn't been around long enough to know whether or not there are long-term effects. Thalidomide comes to mind.

If the CDC, Fauci and the current administration where trying to sell a product, they would fail and go out of business. The messaging is a disaster!
 
This is me - I am not scared of the virus. I have no co-morbidities, am incredibly healthy and have no family members at risk. Howerver, I do have a history of infertility. Though I am past child-bearing years, I do not want my children to take a vaccine that hasn't been around long enough to know whether or not there are long-term effects. Thalidomide comes to mind.

If the CDC, Fauci and the current administration where trying to sell a product, they would fail and go out of business. The messaging is a disaster!
That is another complaint from within my company. Our employees are saying the misinformation is so extreme that they can not make a decision at all. So most are airing on the side of not taking/buying the product with so many unknowns. And also another response is why should I risk taking this vaccine. The reward for taking it just doesn't balance out with the risks in a lot of peoples eyes.
 
I have one of those. Got it for doing my 3 big boys’ football laundry.
I remember that smell. I assistant coached the freshman FB team one year. Huddling with those fellas would knock you out. One of those players ended up as both the class president and first captain at West Point. I think he’s the only one who showered.
 
Vaccination should not be about politics. I have ZERO patience for those who refuse COVID vaccines (but are eligible), unless there is a true medical allergy issue. You cannot possibly come up with an excuse that justifies that level of irresponsibility. Those who are refusing are prolonging the (now) endemic outbreak and allowing new variants to flourish, thereby risking others health, lives, and livelihoods. You are risking the health of children who are not yet eligible for the vaccine. You are providing an environment for the virus to continue to mutate and possibly become more virulent in those already vaccinated. You are risking another year of our children's school being disrupted. The unvaccinated are unnecessarily consuming critical medical resources and filling ICU beds that are needed for other emergencies - even if they don't die. I don't care if someone is unafraid of getting the virus - you are unnecessarily playing Russian roulette with your life and increasing the likelihood of using limited vital medical resources that should be reserved for all of the other medical emergencies. Failing to vaccinate is what is primarily driving the need for revisiting mask mandates. At my company, if your are unvaccinated, you do not come into the office. Period.
 
*now* part of the uniform. Pardon the unfortunate and confusing typo…
 
We still don’t know the efficacy or danger of the Covid vaccines. There seems to be different opinions by scientists.
We don’t know the full efficacy or danger of covid treatments. This is still new territory. Ventilators guarantee nothing. Good luck.
 
We don’t know the full efficacy or danger of covid treatments. This is still new territory. Ventilators guarantee nothing. Good luck.
Go do some research on ivermectin, if you can find it. It has been censored. We do know the success of it in other countries like India and Mexico. We also know its a safe drug that has been used for a long time - FDA approved.

In February, a peer-reviewed study found that ivermectin reduces coronavirus infections, hospitalizations and deaths by about 75%.

I was told by a hospital employee to not use ventilators. They actually are harmful. If left on for about a week, your lungs start failing.
 
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We still don’t know the efficacy or danger of the Covid vaccines. There seems to be different opinions by scientists.
We don’t know the full efficacy or danger of covid treatments. This is still new territory. Ventilators guarantee nothing. Good luck
Go do some research on ivermectin, if you can find it. It has been censored. We do know the success of it in other countries like India and Mexico. We also know its a safe drug that has been used for a long time - FDA approved.

In February, a peer-reviewed study found that ivermectin reduces coronavirus infections, hospitalizations and deaths by about 75%.

I was told by a hospital employee to not use ventilators. They actually are harmful. If left on for about a week, your lungs start failing.
Again, covid treatments are all new territory. Thanks for acknowledging it. The vaccines that you claim are unproven are much more tested (quantitatively and qualitatively) than whatever you said to google. If you deny this, then again… good luck.
 
The responses here, as well as my own conversations with close friends, are exactly where we are. And I dont see conversations changing peoples minds. Rather the opposite. People have their own believes, and double down in them.

I don’t see any amount of ‘sharing if info’, either here, on social media, commercials, from experts (that’s contradict themselves), our government, etc, etc, changing peoples minds.

I think people are also getting tired and fatigued. I do t see anything changing vax number wise, in a significant number.

I have a family member who won’t vax. I don’t understand them personally. But they are an adult. Have valid concerns. Have had Covid. So there ‘ya go. I respect their voice. Their choice.

It looks like we are going to have to find a way to live with covid. Forever.
 
We don’t know the full efficacy or danger of covid treatments. This is still new territory. Ventilators guarantee nothing. Good luck

Again, covid treatments are all new territory. Thanks for acknowledging it. The vaccines that you claim are unproven are much more tested (quantitatively and qualitatively) than whatever you said to google. If you deny this, then again… good luck.

I am not looking for an argument from you. We can disagree.

I don’t need your wishes of luck.
 
Go do some research on ivermectin, if you can find it. It has been censored. We do know the success of it in other countries like India and Mexico. We also know its a safe drug that has been used for a long time - FDA approved.

In February, a peer-reviewed study found that ivermectin reduces coronavirus infections, hospitalizations and deaths by about 75%.

Ivermectin censured!?!?!?

This was an editorial in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. The authors are Health Care Economists, not Epidemiologists. I don't know which peer reviewed study you're referring to, but the authors "self-censured" this editorial after going to print. Check the Correction at the bottom of the page.

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?

Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as “serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.

Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper) worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr. Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, low-cost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”


Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did. Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15. Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control group.

Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus 58.4% of those untreated.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug approvals? No.

Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr. Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.

Correction
This article has been edited to remove a reference to a study of 200 healthcare workers by Ahmed Elgazzar of Benha University in Egypt. Messrs. Henderson and Hooper relied on a summary of studies published in the American Journal of Therapeutics. They learned after publication that this study has been retracted because of charges of data manipulation.
 
The responses here, as well as my own conversations with close friends, are exactly where we are. And I dont see conversations changing peoples minds. Rather the opposite. People have their own believes, and double down in them.

I don’t see any amount of ‘sharing if info’, either here, on social media, commercials, from experts (that’s contradict themselves), our government, etc, etc, changing peoples minds.

I think people are also getting tired and fatigued. I do t see anything changing vax number wise, in a significant number.

I have a family member who won’t vax. I don’t understand them personally. But they are an adult. Have valid concerns. Have had Covid. So there ‘ya go. I respect their voice. Their choice.

It looks like we are going to have to find a way to live with covid. Forever.
And as complex as the all the issues may be, the key difference in the two perspectives is simply the use of the words “I” vs “we”. And more relative to this forum, real leaders know the difference.
 
The responses here, as well as my own conversations with close friends, are exactly where we are. And I dont see conversations changing peoples minds. Rather the opposite. People have their own believes, and double down in them.

I don’t see any amount of ‘sharing if info’, either here, on social media, commercials, from experts (that’s contradict themselves), our government, etc, etc, changing peoples minds.

I think people are also getting tired and fatigued. I do t see anything changing vax number wise, in a significant number.

I have a family member who won’t vax. I don’t understand them personally. But they are an adult. Have valid concerns. Have had Covid. So there ‘ya go. I respect their voice. Their choice.

It looks like we are going to have to find a way to live with covid. Forever.
I don't know what side I'm on at this point. I should stop reading.

Masks/no masks, vaccine/no vaccine, quarantine/no quarantine, isolation/no isolation, economy shut-down/no economy shut-down

mayonnaise on hotdogs/no mayonnaise on hotdogs

I don't know.
 
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