Are the appointed willing to share their stats?

I don't imagine English is that important, relative to Math, at Caltech or MIT either.

As a point of reference/interest, my middle DD is actually a 3rd year at MIT studying Biological Engineering. Her SAT scores were:

CR - 800
Math - 720
Writing - 780

Still a ProudMom2013 AND 2016!
 
Actually, not to nit-pick, but I think it is only Math and English ACT scores that are considered-Not reading and science.

Yes. Math and English only for the ACT but Math and Critical Reading for the SAT - I left out the "critical" :). The CR section used to be known as Verbal which USNA still references in their admissions profiles.
 
I'll explain more in a different thread, but:

First Child: SAT 1550. Ranked 16th out of 675. All APs; all As. Boy's State, other activities, leadership, etc.

Second Child: SAT 1450. Ranked 60th out of 675. All APs; all As. Varsity Basedball for four years, other activities, leadership, etc.

do the BEST thtat you can do; there is no other answer that means anything.
 
SecondTime has my mantra... Do your best to be the best you can become. It's the only way you don't risk spending inordinate time wondering whether there was something you should have worked on harder. The problem is that you are confronting an infinite number of variables among your candidate peers, and many of the variables are subjective, not objective. That is one reason that it becomes personally frustrating to see so many prospects who spend so much time looking for the majic factor that will guarantee their receiving an offer of appointment. Just commit yourself to doing your absolute best - so you won't be doomed to spending the rest of your life second-guessing what you did or didn't do.
 
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SecondTime has my mantra... Do your best to be the best you can become. It's the only way you don't risk spending inordinate time wondering whether there was something you should have worked on harder. The problem is that you are confronting an infinite number of variables among your candidate peers, and many of the variables are subjective, not objective. That is one reason that it becomes personally frustrating to see so many prospects who spend so much time looking for the majic factor that will guarantee their receiving an offer of appointment. Just commit yourself to doing your absolute best - so you won't be doomed to spending the rest of your life second-guessing what you did or didn't do.

Hello BGO1964,
I've been a member on this forum for just a few months now. This last post of yours has to be the best advise I've read here, bar none. I will be sure to parrot these words and sentiments to any young person I meet who expresses an interest in serving and attending and of the SAs.
Thanks...
 
This is our second go-around for Academy admissions: first is a graduate and second has received an appointment.

It is a little crazy, for example, about the "rate my chances" kinds of posts.

Some anonymous poster tells you that your stats are too low; what, you're going to give up?
Some other anonymous poster tells you that you are in great shape; what, you think you are in?

If you have a certain set of stats, you are either capable of improving them or not. It's that simple. I fyou can improve them, would you not work towards improvintg them however you might?
If you can't improve them, then nothing else matters: you've done the best that you can do.

While I appreciate the curiosity about the stats of others [which is why I post the onest that I did], as a practical matter they should mean little to you if YOU HAVE DONE THE BEST THAT YOU CAN D O.

As mentioned, there ar etoo many factors out of your control.
 
Honestly, I have been a BGO since 1991 and was Area Coordinator for twelve years. I have seen youngsters that I felt were stellar prospects go unselected (a few on multiple tries). On the other hand I have seen youngsters who I considered marginally qualified at best get the brass ring. There really are too many variations on a theme for any outsider, including BGOs and ACs, to be consistently correct in second-guessing the board. In the long run it really is easier to just commit to doing your best, and only you can know when you have attained that level of achievement. GIVE IT YOUR HONEST BEST SHOT!
 
This is a great thread! I find it so motivational to see different people's stats and how they succeded! Thanks so much! Keep them coming!:shake:
 
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Honestly, I have been a BGO since 1991 and was Area Coordinator for twelve years. I have seen youngsters that I felt were stellar prospects go unselected (a few on multiple tries). On the other hand I have seen youngsters who I considered marginally qualified at best get the brass ring. There really are too many variations on a theme for any outsider, including BGOs and ACs, to be consistently correct in second-guessing the board. In the long run it really is easier to just commit to doing your best, and only you can know when you have attained that level of achievement. GIVE IT YOUR HONEST BEST SHOT!

Hello 1964BGO, I am curious, what is the role of the "area coordinator"? We had an experiance where our BGO thought my DS was well qualified, best he had seen in three years, yet no appointment. He had mentioned he arqued the "case" with the state coordinator to no avail with no reasons why. So I am curious what the "area" or "state" coordinator's role is with reguard to the selection committee of an SA. Do they choose who they think should be appointed or recommend who they think the SA should select? just curious of the process. Not trying to second guess, but I am interested in the process. thank you.
 
Hello 1964BGO, I am curious, what is the role of the "area coordinator"? We had an experiance where our BGO thought my DS was well qualified, best he had seen in three years, yet no appointment. He had mentioned he arqued the "case" with the state coordinator to no avail with no reasons why. So I am curious what the "area" or "state" coordinator's role is with reguard to the selection committee of an SA. Do they choose who they think should be appointed or recommend who they think the SA should select? just curious of the process. Not trying to second guess, but I am interested in the process. thank you.

Interested in this as well... Same situation for my DS who heard from his BGO that he was not accepted ( nothing in the mail yet) the BGO said from what he could see of the other candidates in our area that my DS would have been at the top of the list and was shocked he was not given an appointment. BGO also spoke numerous time to the RC ( regional coordinator?) on my DS behalf. My DS never had any contact with anyone but the BGO. ( who was awesome I may add)
 
eagle-pride/crair70,

USNA Admissions divides and conquers the U.S. by coupling many states into "regions" (hence regional director or regional admissions team). Within each region, there is a sub-organization termed "areas" (based on zip code) assigned to an Area Coordinator (AC). Within your "area," there are BGOs.

Theoretically, in a chain of command, the AC reports to the regional director and BGOs report to the ACs. Therefore, when a BGO voices his/her concern, this normally is done to the AC. The AC normally has a little "wider" picture of what is going on and has less information/details on specific candidates (since the BGOs are conducting interviews and making contact with the candidate). BGOs and ACs, as mentioned many times, have a narrower picture when it comes to the operations in Admissions, because we are not privied to more information (i.e. we don't have the full/bigger picture or present when the Admissions Board convenes). For this reason, even arguments made from BGOs (who sometimes have direct contact with the RD) or ACs do not necessarily carry significant weight, if any.

From a selection/appointment standpoint, BGOs and ACs have no impact other than: (1) submitting BGO interviews and (2) occassionally, voicing concerns to Admissions, which may or may not be considered.

Some ACs also perform in the BGO role (i.e. they assign themselves schools, candidates to interview, guide, etc.). So it is possible that a candidate's "BGO" is also the AC.

ACs and BGOs perform a handful of other functions, as well -- but I think the main question with the previous postings was in regards to our roles in the Admissions process.
 
DS just accepted offer of appointment to USMA, had appointment to USAFA, but was waiting on 1st choice of USNA. Things tend to happen for a reason and he is very excited for the opportunity to serve our great country. He was told by his BGO that he was in an extremely competitive district this year.
4.0 GPA(uw)
1-3 class rank of 450
ACT 35 math, 35 english
SAT 760 math, 710 verbal
strong cfa results
many ec's, great letters
Just thinking there must be some outstanding kids from oklahoma.
 
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The USNA just informed me that they would prefer I apply for the Class of 2017....TWE....
 
DS just accepted offer of appointment to USMA, had appointment to USAFA, but was waiting on 1st choice of USNA. Things tend to happen for a reason and he is very excited for the opportunity to serve our great country. He was told by his BGO that he was in an extremely competitive district this year.
4.0 GPA(uw)
1-3 class rank of 450
ACT 35 math, 35 english
SAT 760 math, 710 verbal
strong cfa results
many ec's, great letters
Just thinking there must be some outstanding kids from oklahoma.

sooner-that is crazy-there is no way you could have been denied with a 4.0 GPA, top person in your class rank, ACT 35 math, 35 english, strong cfa results, many ec's, and great letters. Did you ask your BGO what he/she thought the problem was. You just made me so nervous I am not even close to your act scores or class rank!
 
As with the 'what are my chances' threads, I am not sure there is much value is asking someone for their stats and trying to draw any conclusions.

Remember, the process for getting an appointment is about more then your h.s. grades and ACT/SAT scores, the WCS includes many other factors. Also, none of us can know how the MOC interviews went or what your BGO or letters of recommendation contained.
 
As with the 'what are my chances' threads, I am not sure there is much value is asking someone for their stats and trying to draw any conclusions.

Remember, the process for getting an appointment is about more then your h.s. grades and ACT/SAT scores, the WCS includes many other factors. Also, none of us can know how the MOC interviews went or what your BGO or letters of recommendation contained.

I'll back up Time2 here: I've been going through this site almost every day for nearly a year, and now that TWEs are coming out, there is no question that there are kids receiving them who look like shoe-ins . This is not to imply that the process is arbitrary (as some have suggested), but that one's stats as reported on this site are rarely the whole picture. I fully empathize with wondering how you or your DD/DS measures up, but I can't recommend enough reading the Sticky here which for me really was the final word on "What Are My Chances?".
 
I'll back up Time2 here: I've been going through this site almost every day for nearly a year, and now that TWEs are coming out, there is no question that there are kids receiving them who look like shoe-ins . This is not to imply that the process is arbitrary (as some have suggested), but that one's stats as reported on this site are rarely the whole picture. I fully empathize with wondering how you or your DD/DS measures up, but I can't recommend enough reading the Sticky here which for me really was the final word on "What Are My Chances?".

Thank you Dolphins2012, it is just disappointing when a BGO tells you that your DS is one of the most qualified they have seen in 3 years and get a TWE. The letter from the Navy stated (sure it was a form letter) to try again, etc...improve on grades (not sure how you can improve on almost a 4.0 (unweighted) taking all IB classes with advanced courses in calculas etc). He was also Captain of the Track team (went to State and placed), did over over 200 hrs of community service this year while doing all the other activities. Was S-1 in ROTC which because of his work also received "Honors" distinction. He also went to SS last summer. I hear constantly that going to SS means nothing, if it means nothing with regard to the process then why is there such stiff competiton to get into it? So, not sure what else he could have done. I am not bitter, disappionted in the process, yes. but do understand this year had stiff competition. My DS is taking this in stride and vows to show the Navy their mistake with his new scores at College, which by the way will all be advanced placement also. He says he will def re-apply next year. Hopefully that will allow him to persue his dream.
 
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He was just told that he was in a highly competitive district. We think things work out for a reason and grateful for having the choice to serve his country with USMA. i guess with the other 2 appointments and on 2 nom slates just thought he would get navy. He is fine with it, more hard on mom and dad probably. Always wanting the best for your kids and having their wishes fulfilled, the job of parents! What doesn't kill us will make us stronger. Good luck and best wishes to all.
 
it is just disappointing when a BGO tells you that your DS is one of the most qualified they have seen in 3 years and get a TWE.

Most experienced BGOs have learned the hard way not to make promises or predictions or even give positive vibes. I used to tell super-qualified kids that they likely would have no problems. I soon learned the fallacy of such statements.

BGOs see only very limited information and only on their own candidates. We have NO insight into the world outside the schools we cover. BGOs do not see teacher recs, which carry a lot of weight. They don't see CFA scores. They don't see grades and courses or class rank (unless the candidate provides this info). And our recommendation carries only so much weight.

Not to defend your BGO, but he/she undoubtedly thought your child was the most qualified he/she had seen in years and probably believed that your child had a great shot. I would imagine that he/she is very disappointed in the outcome. Not as disappointed as you and your child, but still disappointed.
 
Thank you Dolphins2012, it is just disappointing when a BGO tells you that your DS is one of the most qualified they have seen in 3 years and get a TWE. The letter from the Navy stated (sure it was a form letter) to try again, etc...improve on grades (not sure how you can improve on almost a 4.0 (unweighted) taking all IB classes with advanced courses in calculas etc). He was also Captain of the Track team (went to State and placed), did over over 200 hrs of community service this year while doing all the other activities. Was S-1 in ROTC which because of his work also received "Honors" distinction. He also went to SS last summer. I hear constantly that going to SS means nothing, if it means nothing with regard to the process then why is there such stiff competiton to get into it? So, not sure what else he could have done. I am not bitter, disappionted in the process, yes. but do understand this year had stiff competition. My DS is taking this in stride and vows to show the Navy their mistake with his new scores at College, which by the way will all be advanced placement also. He says he will def re-apply next year. Hopefully that will allow him to persue his dream.

Will your son participate in NROTC next year while at college using the scholarship.

I understand if a student wants to re-apply for the National NROTC scholarship their first year in school they cannot participate in NROTC.

If the student plans to re-apply for the USNA are they allowed to use their scholarship and join NROTC.

I was just curious how that worked.
 
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