Arms used at USNA?

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  1. THParent

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    CMP Update on war-surplus M1911 pistols.
    December 5, 2017

    The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

    Some preliminary decisions further clarified:

    1. Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
    2. All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
    3. Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
    4. A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
    5. The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
    6. Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
    7. No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
    8. CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
    9. Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
    10. Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
    11. Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
    12. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
    13. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
    14. When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
    15. As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
    Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.
     
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    USMCGrunt 5-Year Member

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    I remember this very well. Qualifying was always interesting when you had a sidearm that rattled with loose fitting parts!

    I am more interested in the vintage weapons from a nostalgic perspective. I agree they won't be prizes in any real sense and I won't pay top shelf for one.
     
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  3. THParent

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    I once got out of a speeding ticket because of a 1911.
    It's a good story.
     
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    So here's what they use at the USNA. I put 100 rounds through it yesterday and have to say that it's a solid pistol and pleasant to shoot.
    My DS will be thrilled when he opens this Christmas present.

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    If you already have a concealed carry permit with a State and Federal background check would you have to go through the whole process again for CMP? Just seems redundant.
     
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    When I bought my Colt 1911 I had to show the dealer my permit as they said according to State and Federal Law before they would even unlock the case to show it to me I had to provide a current permit which they recorded. Does this qualify under CMP regulations? Trying to go the short route. I would like to get one of these. Don't care if it rattles they are a historical weapon and can always look up the serial number and possible issue date.
     
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    I don't know how many firearms you've purchased, but there are always the same requirements. If you're not planning on going to Camp Perry, then you'll have to have them send it to your attention to the FFL holder of your choice. Before that FFL holder transfers ownership to you, you'll have to fill out a form 4473 and have the data sent through NICS and NICS will have to return a response of "Proceed". With the CMP, there are just a few other forms to fill out. It's pretty simple, really.

    I think the normal route (described above) is pretty short in and of itself. That's the only route I know.

    Don't start counting your chickens yet, though. Right now, it's just a possibility that the Army is going to dispose of these pistols. If they release them, the CMP will sell them. They won't even begin to start selling them until at LEAST 150 days after they get them, however. My guess is that you will be limited to one (1) pistol and they will be sent out in a completely random fashion. You might get all your paperwork into them and wait 6 to 12 months to receive something. My guess is that it will be after 2018. So again, you should eschew enumerating your pullets, at this juncture. :biggrin:
     
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    Thank you for the information. I have only bought local from a gun store not mail.
     
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    What state are you in? There is no permit requirement (or even process to get one) at the federal level. Your state may have additional restrictions though...or your dealer was just making things overly complicated.
     
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    I was thinking the exact same thing. Gun stores where I live don't care if you have a permit to carry, and they don't need to see one.
    It's just fill out form 4473, wait a couple of minutes for NICS check to go through, pay for it, and out the door you go.
     
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    It's CT. Store owner is retired State Police. North East is tough.
     
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    I feel for you, brother. When I visit the East coast, I just leave my guns at home. Too much crap to deal with from State to State.
    I wonder about your Latin state motto which translates to "He who transplanted sustains". What on Earth does that even mean?
     
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    From the CT website:
    The motto "Qui Transtulit Sustinet," (He Who Transplanted Still Sustains), has been associated with the various versions of the seal from the creation of the Saybrook Colony Seal. While the origin of the motto is uncertain, the late Charles J. Hoadly, a former State Librarian, suggested in an article entitled "The Public Seal of Connecticut," which appeared in the 1889 edition of the Connecticut State Register and Manual, that we look to the 80th Psalm as a possible source. "Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it."

    Reproduced from the Connecticut State Register & Manual with permission of the Secretary of the State.


    Source:
    http://www.portal.ct.gov/en/About/State-Symbols/The-State-Motto
     
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    Thanks for the translation. My Latin is a little rusty. Once some snowflake who can translate Latin (probably never with the state of current education) figures that out we will have a big court case to change the State Seal. Just change it to Semper Fidelis or Semper Paratus even more fitting for CT.
     
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    Wow..thats pretty extreme for a Speeding Ticket ...isn't it ?:)
     
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    Do you want to adopt another son for Christmas ?

    The Sig M11-A1 is a fine weapon , but my understanding is that is not actually military issue. It is "like" the original M11 , but there are prohibitions against sale of actual mil-spec weapons. I've seen this described as a clever Sig Sauer marketing gimmick, but based on comments I've seen --the marketing works (and it worked on me this summer , I love my M11-A1. Somewhat surprised to hear that is what they are using at USNA , as military use of the M11 is limited to aircrew , some special units, and law enforcement.
     
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    It went like this:
    (State Trooper catches me dead to rights - on radar - going 72 in a 55)

    Trooper: "Do you know why I stopped you?"
    Me: "Probably because I was doing a little over 70 in a 55?"
    Trooper: "You would be right. May I see your driver's license and registration?"
    Me: "Here is my driver's license and my permit to carry a handgun".
    Trooper: "Why do I need that?"
    Me: "Because my registration is locked in the glove box, and so is a loaded handgun"
    Trooper: "I see. I appreciate you telling me that, as I get enough surprises in my line of work"
    Me: "So what do you want me to do? The registration is under the handgun"
    Trooper: "Just pull out the registration and leave the gun where it is"
    (So I take the keys and unlock the glove box and give him my registration)
    Trooper: "Is that a Colt?"
    Me: "Why yes it is"
    Trooper: "Is it a Gold Cup?"
    Me: "Why yes it is, a Gold Cup National Match"
    Trooper: "70 series?"
    Me: "You certainly know your 1911's sir. Yes it is."
    Trooper: "May I hold it?"
    Me: "Well that depends"
    Trooper: "On what?"
    Me: "Am I getting a ticket?"
    Trooper: "Nope"
    Me: "Well then and I'll unload it and you are welcome to sit in the passenger's seat and hold it all you want!"

    He came around to the passenger's side and sat down beside me. We had a wonderful talk for about 20 minutes after that.
    Turns out he always wanted a Gold Cup, but never could justify the cost with his wife.
    There were finger prints all over the thing, but I didn't get a speeding ticket!
     
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    The M11 may not be what the Plebes shoot at the "get-aquainted-day" at the range, but it's what the combat arms team uses in their 3-gun events.
    If they hand my Plebe an M9 he will be right at home. He could field strip one and put it back together at the age of 8, in less than 30 seconds blindfolded. His grandmother did not however, fully appreciate this sort of "skill".
     
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    The M-11 is used both for the plebe summer "range day" and by the Combat Arms Team. Not sure if there is overlap in the weapons. The Combat Arms Team gets new pistols very often given how many rounds they put through them.
     
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    Range Update:
    My DS has put 600 rounds downrange (on 4 trips to the range since Christmas) with the M11/P228 and absolutely loves it.
    I must say, it is a very accurate and easy to shoot pistol, right out of the box. Nice to see a pistol come with 3 mags, too.
    All the other companies have been getting pretty stingy with extra mags.

    I am certainly not a "Sig Guy", but I would recommend this pistol to anyone. My only "con" is that first DA trigger pull is brutal.
    The SA trigger pulls are smooth and fairly light, so they make up for that crappy first one.