Army PFT and ROTC Eligibility

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Hello, I took the PFT last week and scored 14 pushups, 27 sit-ups, and the run time was between 8:30-9 min. I'm aware my pushups could've been way better, I fractured my forearm two years ago and it didn't heal correctly which strains my arm during pushups. I'm still actively working on doing better on the events (pushups especially).

I've been told by one of my rotc advisors that the scholarship is out of the question with my fitness assessment, and that I might be disqualified from joining my freshman year.. I've asked my other advisors about this and I've gotten two other answers; yes I can still join and it depends on other factors. Does anyone know for sure if my score will disqualify from joining rotc?

Thank you in advance for any answers/help.
 
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So while I'm only a high school senior whose applying for a ROTC scholarship. Based on the all the information I know, I'm afraid those scores will disqualify you from joining ROTC. I know that for scholarship recipients at the very least, they're expected to be able to efficiently do at least 50+ push ups and curl ups and a max of a 15:54 2 mile run when they arrive on campus. Again, I may be wrong but I'm 95% sure of what I just wrote. If you aren't a high school senior, then you have plenty of time to really push yourself. One of my big regrets was not running often during my sophomore and junior year as right now I'm trying to reduce my mile time before the next scholarship board. But again if you work hard enough, you will be able to do well on the fitness assessment.
 
Sorry I should’ve been clear. This was the one minute push-up one minute sit-up. I was told that my sit-ups were good for being a minute but my push-ups needed work
 
mva30 said:
Sorry I should’ve been clear. This was the one minute push-up one minute sit-up. I was told that my sit-ups were good for being a minute but my push-ups needed work
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Are you make or female?
 
mva30 said:
Hello, I took the PFT last week and scored 14 pushups, 27 sit-ups, and the run time was between 8:30-9 min. I'm aware my pushups could've been way better, I fractured my forearm two years ago and it didn't heal correctly which strains my arm during pushups. I'm still actively working on doing better on the events (pushups especially).

I've been told by one of my rotc advisors that the scholarship is out of the question with my fitness assessment, and that I might be disqualified from joining my freshman year.. I've asked my other advisors about this and I've gotten two other answers; yes I can still join and it depends on other factors. Does anyone know for sure if my score will disqualify from joining rotc?

Thank you in advance for any answers/help.
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Hi - to clear up some of the confusion, the one-minute scores for pushups, curl ups and the one mile are what is required for scholarship applications. Those scores would not "disqualify" you from applying, but those results would give you a low PFA score for the application. But, as you said, there are a number of factors in consideration.

Whether you have a scholarship or not, when you show up to campus and want to contract with ROTC, you need to pass a different physical fitness test. Historically, this was a 2-minute test for pushups and sit-ups, with a 2-mile run. However, the Army is phasing in the Army Combat Fitness Test with different events - deadlifts, standing throw, hand release pushups, spring-drag-carry, leg tucks and 2-mile run - but that rollout has been impacted by COVID. So, nobody should be telling you that those results "disqualify" you, but I would say that you need to work hard to be sure you can pass whatever fitness test you will need to pass if you want to join ROTC when you get to campus. Best of luck.
 
KingZunzie said:
Hi - to clear up some of the confusion, the one-minute scores for pushups, curl ups and the one mile are what is required for scholarship applications. Those scores would not "disqualify" you from applying, but those results would give you a low PFA score for the application. But, as you said, there are a number of factors in consideration.

Whether you have a scholarship or not, when you show up to campus and want to contract with ROTC, you need to pass a different physical fitness test. Historically, this was a 2-minute test for pushups and sit-ups, with a 2-mile run. However, the Army is phasing in the Army Combat Fitness Test with different events - deadlifts, standing throw, hand release pushups, spring-drag-carry, leg tucks and 2-mile run - but that rollout has been impacted by COVID. So, nobody should be telling you that those results "disqualify" you, but I would say that you need to work hard to be sure you can pass whatever fitness test you will need to pass if you want to join ROTC when you get to campus. Best of luck.
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Thank you so much for the clarification, I really appreciate it!
 
If you can’t do pushups you probably won’t pass the DODMERB which is required to contract and commission. Go to the DODMERB forum and ask Mr Mullen. He is the expert.

as far as participating- most schools I believe allow freshmen and sophomores to participate with out contracting. You would then need to pass the DODMERB physical exam prior to contracting.
 
Harpy said:
So while I'm only a high school senior whose applying for a ROTC scholarship. Based on the all the information I know, I'm afraid those scores will disqualify you from joining ROTC. I know that for scholarship recipients at the very least, they're expected to be able to efficiently do at least 50+ push ups and curl ups and a max of a 15:54 2 mile run when they arrive on campus. Again, I may be wrong but I'm 95% sure of what I just wrote. If you aren't a high school senior, then you have plenty of time to really push yourself. One of my big regrets was not running often during my sophomore and junior year as right now I'm trying to reduce my mile time before the next scholarship board. But again if you work hard enough, you will be able to do well on the fitness assessment.
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You are wrong.
The APFT is dead.
The 1-1-1 is the contracting standard.
 
There is not a required Physical Fitness Test score in order to enroll into ROTC. The requirement comes in when it is time to contract and/or advance into MS3 year. As of 10/1/20, the APFT is no longer the Army's test of record. It is the ACFT, which is in limbo at the moment. Currently to contract you have conduct the Cadet Command Fitness Assessment (CCFA). Which is what Montana is referring to with the 1-1-1. Below are the passing standards:


Event​
Push Up​
Modified Sit Up​
1 Mile Run​
Male
30​
35​
8:00​
Female
13​
30​
10:00​
 
mva30 said:
Sorry I should’ve been clear. This was the one minute push-up one minute sit-up. I was told that my sit-ups were good for being a minute but my push-ups needed work
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With some training, you should be able to improve your fitness in a couple of months.
This can be done on your own or with a training partner.

My DD trains 6 days a week, and consistency is the key to fitness.

Any weight bearing resistance program will help with your push-ups. I personally like dumbbell bench press because of the full range of motion.

My DD keeps her run time low by mixing in speed workouts with her long runs and strength training.

Another key to fitness and reduction of injuries is a regular stretching program, as well as healthy eating habits.

As long as you stick to a training program, you’ll improve your fitness.
 
MohawkArmyROTC said:
There is not a required Physical Fitness Test score in order to enroll into ROTC. The requirement comes in when it is time to contract and/or advance into MS3 year. As of 10/1/20, the APFT is no longer the Army's test of record. It is the ACFT, which is in limbo at the moment. Currently to contract you have conduct the Cadet Command Fitness Assessment (CCFA). Which is what Montana is referring to with the 1-1-1. Below are the passing standards:


Event​
Push Up​
Modified Sit Up​
1 Mile Run​
Male
30​
35​
8:00​
Female
13​
30​
10:00​
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I remember doing this during the national scholarship process......so this same test will be administered again?
 
Yup. Periodically throughout your time in both AROTC and your Army career.
 
My daughter started her freshman year on a national 3 year AD scholarship, which meant she would need to pass her physical fitness test prior to contracting sophomore year, however, at her school the school covered room and board all four years even for 3 year winners, but she had to pass the test to get that benefit and she trained during the summer and had no problem passing. However, there was another nursing slot not filled by scholarship recipients and 3 or 4 other nurses showed up as freshman to compete for that spot (it was a nursing mission spot for 2020, and at the time that was an allocated campus base scholarship, things change though so do not know if it still works that way) One of those that showed up, another female, did not do well on her first APFT (this was in fall 2016) She only completed 3 push-ups and did not finish the run because she threw up half way through. I am not saying this to shame her, but to tell you she was the one who won the 3 year campus based scholarship and is currently a 2LT nurse in the US Army. She worked really hard her freshman year and she excelled at fitness the rest of her time there. And you have time to train and pass in the Fall.

DoDMERB is a whole other issue, the fracture that did not heal right might be a barrier to contracting, or you might be able to overcome it, it isn't a big enough of a reason to stop your goals and not try though!
 
VisionofConflux said:
Interesting, so if I’m interpreting @MohawkArmyROTC post correctly, the 1-1-1 test is given as the test to contract then the ACFT is given after being contracted?
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ACFT is being challenged right now, that is why Mohawkarmy said it is in Limbo, so it is not allowed to be used for the record. My daughter did the ACFT at Infantry BOLC the last 5 months as part of her training but not as part of her assessment, and therefore it was not officially recorded because it's validity is being challenged.
 
Dckc88 said:
ACFT is being challenged right now, that is why Mohawkarmy said it is in Limbo, so it is not allowed to be used for the record. My daughter did the ACFT at Infantry BOLC the last 5 months as part of her training but not as part of her assessment, and therefore it was not officially recorded because it's validity is being challenged.
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Alright, I'll still train for the ACFT....I have it all down except for the 2-mile run which I feel could be better.
 
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