Article-Minorities Underrepresented in Nominations

@sanman,

Serious question.

Like many Americans, I casually switch between GB, UK, England unless I am referring to something very specific.

Assuming you are English (for no particular reason), how do you identify yourself or your nation? What are the different conventions and contexts?

I always find it interesting that UK Pro Golfers are identified officially as Scottish, Welsh, English or N. Irish.
 
@sanman,

Serious question.

Like many Americans, I casually switch between GB, UK, England unless I am referring to something very specific.

Assuming you are English (for no particular reason), how do you identify yourself or your nation? What are the different conventions and contexts?

I always find it interesting that UK Pro Golfers are identified officially as Scottish, Welsh, English or N. Irish.
Good question. Yes I am English, from the county of Yorkshire. But quite often when completing forms I will vary between describing myself as English or British and at times use UK as country of origin even though itself is made up of 4 countries.

It gets confusing when we compete in the Olympics as Great Britain but in many other competitions will have teams representing England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I think most people identify themselves as being from Great Britain or the UK. On occasion there is the need for a more specific term and then we use English, Welsh etc.
 
I drink beer cold, it’s a complete fallacy that a Brits drink warm beer.

I received a jab when I was vaccinated.

In winter I wear a gansey and don’t own a Barbour jacket

I don’t even own an umbrella.

Regarding the usage of Anglo Saxon it was in reference to the fact that outside of the US it’s extremely uncommon for people to hyphenate their origins. The fact that the US used the term Anglo Saxon far more than the UK proves the point.
WASP hasn't been in common usage in the US in decades, and when it is used, it's as a pejorative by non-WASPS, not as an identifier by WASPs.
 
Through a weird quirk, I’ve gotten to know quite a few people from the U.K./G.B. Ask them where they’re from and they don’t say the U.K. Or Britain. Nor do they say they're British (or Kingdomish, for that matter). Instead, they refer to themselves as Scottish or Welsh or English, and from Scotland or Wales or England. And those from Northern Ireland say they’re Irish.
 
Through a weird quirk, I’ve gotten to know quite a few people from the U.K./G.B. Ask them where they’re from and they don’t say the U.K. Or Britain. Nor do they say they're British (or Kingdomish, for that matter). Instead, they refer to themselves as Scottish or Welsh or English, and from Scotland or Wales or England. And those from Northern Ireland say they’re Irish.
It depends very much on context. If I am asked where I am from I will nearly always respond with U.K rather than England or Great Britain. Quite often people rather than asking “what’s your Nationality” Or “Where are from?” ask “Are you x?” where x has been everything thing from Irish, Australian, South African, Scottish etc if asked that I will always respond English.

Only once was I asked “Are you from Yorkshire?” And that happened to be by someone who was a big fan of “Last of the Summer Wine”.
 
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My son was not asked by any of the nomination offices about his race or ethnicity so the application process seems to be blind as far as the nominating committees go. I don't like the title because it seems to imply the issue is with the nominating committees.
 
My son was not asked by any of the nomination offices about his race or ethnicity so the application process seems to be blind as far as the nominating committees go. I don't like the title because it seems to imply the issue is with the nominating committees.

This is an excellent point.

A meaningful question ... how many minorities (or women) that applied got interviews but didn’t get nominations? I suspect that answer is a low number.
 
It depends very much on context. If I am asked where I am from I will nearly always respond with U.K rather than England or Great Britain. Quite often people rather than asking “what’s your Nationality” Or “Where are from?” ask “Are you x?” where x has been everything thing from Irish, Australian, South African, Scottish etc if asked that I will always respond English.

Only once was I asked “Are you from Yorkshire?” And that happened to be by someone who was a big fan of “Last of the Summer Wine”.
Sanman approved my Yorkshire puddings when I posted a photo. That was good enough for me.
Bonus question on pudding usage: I have been known to make Yorkshire puddings and have them with freshly made creamed mushrooms, preferably with a little variety to the mushrooms, as a comfort food. No roast of anything present. Just mushroom and pudding goodness. I hope that is allowed.

Apologies for thread disruption.
 
Sanman approved my Yorkshire puddings when I posted a photo. That was good enough for me.
I used to visit the U.K. fairly regularly in my corporate career. Never had the pleasure of trying Yorkshire pudding. Veered mainly to Indian and fish & chips, two things I didn’t get much of where I lived on the Continent.

I found English breakfasts oddly satisfying. Same with Cornish pasties. And same with spotted dick (which is more akin to American pudding than is Yorkshire pudding).
 
Sanman approved my Yorkshire puddings when I posted a photo. That was good enough for me.
Bonus question on pudding usage: I have been known to make Yorkshire puddings and have them with freshly made creamed mushrooms, preferably with a little variety to the mushrooms, as a comfort food. No roast of anything present. Just mushroom and pudding goodness. I hope that is allowed.

Apologies for thread disruption.
A great variation on Yorkshire pudding is to add some finely chopped sautéed onions and some herbs. We nearly always used either dried mixed herbs or dried sage. Add these to the batter prior to cooking. We always called them season puddings when we made this variation!
 
I do think it’s less a minority versus a social/economic area issue.
DW came from a very poor area. No kidding, when they started bussing she was the white kid bused to the white school.
When it came time for post-high school graduate plans, the guidance counselors were no help. They assumed she would follow her mother’s footsteps and just get knocked up and married before high school graduation based upon where she came from. No mention of SAs, ROTC, or any other means of pulling herself out of poverty and getting a college education. Her mother, a high school dropout, was no help.
It was only through sheer will and determination that DW even made it to college. And dumb luck or providence that she happened to walk into the student union one day looking for a job to help pay her rent, that she saw an ROTC recruiting poster.
On the flips side, you see ethnic minorities from privileged backgrounds who have no problem getting accepted to SAs and top-tier universities.
I wonder how many like DW from disadvantaged areas fall through the cracks. How few are even told about the paths via ROTC and SAs. Reading the posts, too many.
BTW, DW’s mom was humbled by her being the first high school graduate in the family, went back to school, and got her GED. Then, when DW graduated from college her mother went to college and eventually earning her masters.
 
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This is an excellent point.

A meaningful question ... how many minorities (or women) that applied got interviews but didn’t get nominations? I suspect that answer is a low number.
Good question. Do the interviews really advance the best and the brightest? I've wondered about how personal biases might work against some kids - e.g., will an old guard pilot who doesn't think women should be pilots not advance a female applicant who wants to be a pilot, or will a retired fighter pilot who doesn't like drones not approve an applicant who wants to fly these. Haven't evaluations in the military elminated photo, name and gender? That might be a better process for nominations as well.
Fortunately for my son, his nomination was approved by two former Army pilots who didn't hold it against him for not wanting WP or AROTC and wanting looking to fly helicopters in the Navy or the AF. These two were relaxed and open to seeing who my son was.
 
A great variation on Yorkshire pudding is to add some finely chopped sautéed onions and some herbs. We nearly always used either dried mixed herbs or dried sage. Add these to the batter prior to cooking. We always called them season puddings when we made this variation!
Relieved exhalation. I have been known to add a titch of garlic powder and some dried chives. Now I know what to call them.
 
Good question. Do the interviews really advance the best and the brightest? I've wondered about how personal biases might work against some kids - e.g., will an old guard pilot who doesn't think women should be pilots not advance a female applicant who wants to be a pilot, or will a retired fighter pilot who doesn't like drones not approve an applicant who wants to fly these. Haven't evaluations in the military elminated photo, name and gender? That might be a better process for nominations as well.
Fortunately for my son, his nomination was approved by two former Army pilots who didn't hold it against him for not wanting WP or AROTC and wanting looking to fly helicopters in the Navy or the AF. These two were relaxed and open to seeing who my son was.
The panels these days are much more likely to advance a candidate of color or female because of their color or gender to correct what they see as a problem in the nomination process. Some of the senators and congresspeople are very vocal about their desire to "fix" the problem they perceive in academy admissions.
 
at risk of being shunned = I think we can all agree the whole nomination is an huge waste of time, money and effort and irrelevant in today's world.

It's silly to think all the military officers will come from Virginia and even if they did would then somehow run rough shod oh the country

If the world made sense there would be one portal for all service colleges and rotc programs . Yes each service would not get exactly what they would want but they're military people they can adapt and overcome. Candidates indicate what programs they're interested in and it goes from there. Think of all the wasted time on the part of congressional staffers gone, how much less time candidates would spend doing essentially the same stuff over and over.
 
at risk of being shunned = I think we can all agree the whole nomination is an huge waste of time, money and effort and irrelevant in today's world.

It's silly to think all the military officers will come from Virginia and even if they did would then somehow run rough shod oh the country

If the world made sense there would be one portal for all service colleges and rotc programs . Yes each service would not get exactly what they would want but they're military people they can adapt and overcome. Candidates indicate what programs they're interested in and it goes from there. Think of all the wasted time on the part of congressional staffers gone, how much less time candidates would spend doing essentially the same stuff over and over.
The purpose of the nomination process, imo, is just.
 
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