As of now...

[flieger83]

What difference does his GPA (he has previously stated it is a 3.4) and coursework make if USAFA won't open the full application to him?

There is zero chance of admission if USAFA won't officially make you a candidate. I doubt @flieger83 was aware of that fact when he responded.

Oh, I'm fully aware of all the nuances of the application process at USAFA. I can speak with authority there.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

 

[flieger83]

What difference does his GPA (he has previously stated it is a 3.4) and coursework make if USAFA won't open the full application to him?

There is zero chance of admission if USAFA won't officially make you a candidate. I doubt @flieger83 was aware of that fact when he responded.

To further clarify this statement. You're correct in that unless you're a "full candidate" you won't move forward in the process. That being said, USAFA is under no obligation to "make" anyone a candidate until they receive a nomination in accordance with the requirements of 10 U.S. Code § 9442. And only USAFA/RRS knows what "triggers" their "early" promotion to candidate status. I know some items that will almost certainly do it, but they don't share their algorithm with the ALO force.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

 

[Dadx4]

Not if he flunks out because he cant handle the academic rigor of the stem heavy coursework at USAFA. Respectfully, an 1120 SAT score calls into question a student's ability to succeed. It reflects a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of algebra and geometry, and the English language. Mastery of those areas is necessary to succeed in higher levels of math and science. The fact that you have taken the SAT several times already, and prepared using Khan Academy and tutors, and keep scoring at or below an 1120, reinforces that this is your score and where you compare to your peers. As others have said, consider ROTC, or attacking this from the enlisted ranks.

Has the academy opened the main application for you yet? You previously indicated they hadn't. If that is still the case, you have a definitive answer. There is zero chance of acceptance if USAFA won't even allow you access to the full application.

A score on an SAT does not absolutely reflect future ability or aptitude. It's a single snapshot in time. I know from personal experience and from my first child's academy experience. Her SAT was very low and now she is on academic honor roll. She barely passed precalc in high school and then rocked calculus and engineering in college. Some kids hit their stride later.

 

[Korab]

Oh, I'm fully aware of all the nuances of the application process at USAFA. I can speak with authority there.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

Of course - no one doubts that - what I meant but failed to convey was you probably weren't aware that the poster we were referencing was not granted candidate status at the time of previous posts he made - although he says he has since been granted candidate status, so the point I was making is moot anyway. My original post was worded inartfully. I certainly never meant to imply you weren't fully aware of the application process at USAFA - on the contrary - you are the resident expert!

 

[flieger83]

Of course - no one doubts that - what I meant but failed to convey was you probably weren't aware that the poster we were referencing was not granted candidate status at the time of previous posts he made - although he says he has since been granted candidate status, so the point I was making is moot anyway. My original post was worded inartfully. I certainly never meant to imply you weren't fully aware of the application process at USAFA - on the contrary - you are the resident expert!

Ah....my bad....I didn't fully understand the comment!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

 

[USCGAFL]

USAFA I don't believe posts those numbers, for public consumption, anymore. However, I'll say this: if you're in the range below 25 in ANY of them but especially math or English...

"Officially" USAFA says this: "Students who score below 580 verbal and 560 math on the SAT Reasoning and below 24 English/reading and 25 math/science reasoning on the ACT normally will not be competitive for an appointment. " As an ALO, I'll add my "experience/thoughts" to that: if you're below 600 in any SAT area or about 28-29 in the ACT...you're not going to be competitive unless you're a serious Division 1 athlete candidate.

I checked my records and I haven't had a candidate appointed in over 10 years that had SAT's below the 640-680 range and ACT 28-30 range. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I haven't seen it in quite a while.

Just my humble opinion and experience rambling here...

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

What is the typical ACT range for Prep School Appointment for a Recruited Athlete?

 

[flieger83]

What is the typical ACT range for Prep School Appointment for a Recruited Athlete?

I think the only people that might have that information are the folks of USAFA/RRS (admissions directorate) and perhaps the USAFA/AH (athletics). I know I've never seen it posted, written, or even briefed when I've been at USAFA.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83