At this late date

kaaron, Thank you. DS' MOC interview was in early Dec and posted about mid to end month. Hmmm. Early or late? Anyway! Thanks so much for the info!


Activedutymom,
Whaaaaatttt???!!! I spent some time pondering your response. I hope, in DS’ attempt to better his chances he didn’t ruin it.

But I have some questions… First, if those who were awarded NAPS but knew that they were first awarded an appointment, how did they know? Did they receive a LOA, BFE that later got rescinded stating that because they repeated the CFA they were not being allowed to receive an appointment? Or in their TWE it stated because he/she repeated the CFA, USNA is rescinding their offer of an appointment? Second, did they take the CFA and do well the first time but fail miserably the second to raise question? Third, did they do bad the first time and do SUPER well the second time (leading to suspicion)?

Anyway, this just does not make sense to me. I have not found anything that says it’s bad to re-take a CFA (and we looked and asked). Maybe it is. I dunno… please enlighten me.

All I know is DS was in contact with his RD throughout the entire process. His RD knew of his flu recovery and his attempts at the CFA. Of course, after fully recovering from the flu (no longer coughing his lung up) he did better on his run. But nothing HUGE! Same administrator. His RD responded and updated his portal.

Wow! If that is REALLY holding the works up, then I want to know. DS informed me that whatever comes in the mail- he’s fine- he’s locked on with Plan B – but he’s going to re-apply to USNA- because that’s his goal.

Therefore, if ANYONE can give help to know (for the -hopefully not- future) that DS should NOT retake the CFA, please post. I’m lost and confused…
 
BamaMama said:
kaaron, Thank you. DS' MOC interview was in early Dec and posted about mid to end month. Hmmm. Early or late? Anyway! Thanks so much for the info!


Activedutymom,
Whaaaaatttt???!!! I spent some time pondering your response. I hope, in DS’ attempt to better his chances he didn’t ruin it.

But I have some questions… First, if those who were awarded NAPS but knew that they were first awarded an appointment, how did they know? Did they receive a LOA, BFE that later got rescinded stating that because they repeated the CFA they were not being allowed to receive an appointment? Or in their TWE it stated because he/she repeated the CFA, USNA is rescinding their offer of an appointment? Second, did they take the CFA and do well the first time but fail miserably the second to raise question? Third, did they do bad the first time and do SUPER well the second time (leading to suspicion)?

Anyway, this just does not make sense to me. I have not found anything that says it’s bad to re-take a CFA (and we looked and asked). Maybe it is. I dunno… please enlighten me.

All I know is DS was in contact with his RD throughout the entire process. His RD knew of his flu recovery and his attempts at the CFA. Of course, after fully recovering from the flu (no longer coughing his lung up) he did better on his run. But nothing HUGE! Same administrator. His RD responded and updated his portal.

Wow! If that is REALLY holding the works up, then I want to know. DS informed me that whatever comes in the mail- he’s fine- he’s locked on with Plan B – but he’s going to re-apply to USNA- because that’s his goal.

Therefore, if ANYONE can give help to know (for the -hopefully not- future) that DS should NOT retake the CFA, please post. I’m lost and confused…
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BamaMama, what you need to realize is there are probably 1,000 kids in this "hold" position. My DS had a complete application done including BGO interview, Dodmerb passed, CFA, etc. by the first week of September. Aside from hearing he has a nom, we have been on hold THAT LONG. Apparently, for all hundreds of us this is the norm. We've accepted it and moved on and paid for plan B.
 
Mom529 said:
BamaMama, what you need to realize is there are probably 1,000 kids in this "hold" position. My DS had a complete application done including BGO interview, Dodmerb passed, CFA, etc. by the first week of September. Aside from hearing he has a nom, we have been on hold THAT LONG. Apparently, for all hundreds of us this is the norm. We've accepted it and moved on and paid for plan B.
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I just reread my post and hope it didn't sound mean. I didn't intend it to AT ALL, but just to let you know I believe there are hundreds in the hold right now for any number of reasons, and it is probably a good thing he is still hanging on. Good luck!!!!
 
Mom529 said:
BamaMama, what you need to realize is there are probably 1,000 kids in this "hold" position. My DS had a complete application done including BGO interview, Dodmerb passed, CFA, etc. by the first week of September. Aside from hearing he has a nom, we have been on hold THAT LONG. Apparently, for all hundreds of us this is the norm. We've accepted it and moved on and paid for plan B.
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I am sure you are correct that there are probably 1,000 highly qualified kids stuck in this incredibly frustrating "holding" pattern. My DS, (same as yours) had his application completed Sept, BGO interview, Dodmerb-passed, CFA, MOC interview and nomination late Dec., and he is 3 q'd, etc., etc., etc. I feel like the wait began for him in late December as soon as he was told of his Congressional nomination since everything else was completed. The wait has been absolutely brutal for him (and for the entire family!), but I have taken a lot of advice from this forum which is to have a back up plan in place and accept the fact that there are simply going to be thousands turned away who are exceptional young men and women and will excel no matter where they end up going. :) However, that being said, it will be absolutely heartbreaking if/when that TWE arrives! Thank you all for your posts filled with advice! :)
 
For what its worth, I don't believe based on what we've been told by BGO and RD that re-taking a CFA to improve results would negatively affect you in any way-in fact, it was encouraged as far as improving scores.

We were told that if DS felt he could significantly improve an area of weakness, to re-take it. He did so and improved his mile be nearly two minutes. That is what they are looking for in re-takes so that any anomalies are removed.

He had passed the first one but knew he could do better.

Now we're focused on his plan B's visits and deposits so that whatever happens, he'll have a place to go and move forward.
 
BamaMama said:
Activedutymom,
Whaaaaatttt???!!! I spent some time pondering your response. I hope, in DS’ attempt to better his chances he didn’t ruin it.

But I have some questions… First, if those who were awarded NAPS but knew that they were first awarded an appointment, how did they know? Did they receive a LOA, BFE that later got rescinded stating that because they repeated the CFA they were not being allowed to receive an appointment? Or in their TWE it stated because he/she repeated the CFA, USNA is rescinding their offer of an appointment? Second, did they take the CFA and do well the first time but fail miserably the second to raise question? Third, did they do bad the first time and do SUPER well the second time (leading to suspicion)?
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I'm sorry if I alarmed you. Last year the acceptance process for the class of 2018 seems to have been a crazier ride for some than others and I really just want to make new folks aware that exceptions can happen. Each year seems to be more competitive than the last and the retention rate keeps climbing higher. I wish I could answer all your questions, but this info was from a NAPS parent group Facebook post last July, so it's not a current post. There were at least 7 that commented in a thread about their appointments that had been revoked and the offer changed to NAPS. Rumors indicated there were about 30 of them in the class of 2015. Some parents did not wish to discuss it and simply indicated it happened to them. Several indicated they were told it was because of their poor initial CFA and that they had to repeat it. I did discuss it personally with one parent during parent weekend but didn't ask specifics about how they were notified. I suspect USNA was looking for spots for primary noms that had been missed and probably reviewed the appointees with the lowest WCS. That may have included some appointees/candidates that had initial poor CFAs. Only the admissions folks making those revoked decisions can tell us why they chose those candidate. From everything I've read, it has helped candidates who have retaken the CFA to improve their scores. Hopefully, there won't be a repeat for the class of 2019. Seems like admissions is taking a slower cautious approach this year. Best of luck to everyone out there. NAPS class of 2015 is excited to graduate and meet their fellow Mids at Iday for the class of 2019.
 
From what I understand from last year is that these "Appointments" that were revoked were actually Principal Nominations. So they were banking on an appointment, however, a Principal nom does not guarantee them an appointment. They still have to be found fully qualified by USNA. If they failed initial CFA, they weren't fully qualified, so they were not offered an appointment, but were instead offered a NAPS spot so they could work on increasing their level of physical fitness.
(Not all the principal Noms that were denied appointments were due to cfa, some were for academic and medical reasons as well)

BamaMom, I wouldn't worry. I don't think retaking the CFA is a bad thing and it will not hurt a candidate. Both my daughters took CFA at NASS and weren't happy with their scores so they retook them. One is class of 2016 and one is a plebetobe. My plebetobe had the good fortune to meet with her admissions counselor face to face (a service she offers to local candidates) and she told her that she passed her CFA, but it wouldn't hurt to retake it (we took this as "retake the CFA"). She couldn't do her retake until January. She was training hard to improve and was planning to retake in November but she tweaked her ankle in soccer in late October so she didn't feel ready to retake it with positive results until January. She was Appointed this March.
 
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