Awarded AFROTC HSSP Scholarships Statistics?

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Hi,

I did not receive an AFROTC HSSP scholarship. I was wondering if statistics such as the amount of scholarships awarded, average ACT score of scholarship recipients, etc. would ever be released. Just interested to see if anything changed due to the different circumstances in 2020-21.

Thanks
 
Hi,

I did not receive an AFROTC HSSP scholarship. I was wondering if statistics such as the amount of scholarships awarded, average ACT score of scholarship recipients, etc. would ever be released. Just interested to see if anything changed due to the different circumstances in 2020-21.

Thanks
My son had a 1560 SAT and 98.6 GPA at a high ranked school in the state with AP and college classes and all kinds of leadership activities plus two sports and a patent application. He did not get ANY scholarship in 2021. So it seems they are looking at a lot more than just the numbers. I have a second son that is on a full Type 1 at an Ivy. They had the exact same scores.
 
The interview is usually the most important factor in awarding an AFROTC scholarship. Don't know about NROTC and AROTC.
Something seems VERY broken at AF ROTC to me when you spend 18 years being nearly perfect and prove you are top 2-3% in the country and a 30 minute visit with a SINGLE person is used above the data from 18 years. Very poor process and approach to picking the best.
 
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Something seems VERY broken to me when you spend 18 years being nearly perfect and prove you are top 2-3% in the country and a 30 minute visit with a SINGLE person is used above the data from 18 years.
As countless candidates are told on this forum, there's no such thing as the "perfect" resume. I'm sure there will be many opportunities and open doors for a candidate with stats like that. Hopefully your DS feels good about his hard work and has no regrets because this particular institution/program didn't respond the way he was hoping. I'm sure there are many others that will be eager to have him! Good luck to your DS!
 
The interview is usually the most important factor in awarding an AFROTC scholarship. Don't know about NROTC and AROTC.
For AROTC, I know it is important as well. Just be yourself......if your character fits the job then they'll be glad to give you a good score/approval.
 
Something seems VERY broken at AF ROTC to me when you spend 18 years being nearly perfect and prove you are top 2-3% in the country and a 30 minute visit with a SINGLE person is used above the data from 18 years. Very poor process and approach to picking the best.
It's a long journey. Chin up. Your son will very likely win one of the in-college scholarships as a freshman. Lots of threads here describing exactly that process.

When the Lord closes a door, He opens a window
 
I will go ahead and be the bad guy here. People have tried to give you encouragement and explain the process. The system is not broken. The Air Force got exactly who THEY wanted. This process has been going on for decades. It is a National Competition and your son did not make the cut. Does it stink? Absolutely it does, no way around it - but don't blame the process. There are thousands of other candidates that had exceptional credentials that didn't make the cut.
 
you just confirmed it is broken
I think what EEBTTF is trying to say is that like all college admissions processes especially highly competitive ones is that there are always more highly qualified people than there are spots. Yes it is disappointing when you or your child don't get that spot, but it is what it is. If the Air Force is what your son wants there are other ways for him to get there.
 
To EEBTTF's point, in my experience the HSSP selection process is actually much fairer and far more transparent than the elite college admissions process, which is riddled with BS and favoritism.

(See the Harvard discrimination trial testimony for an appalling example of everything that's screwy about the latter: (de facto) quotas, mumbo jumbo about whether or not the applicant "sparkled" in the alumni interview, stacking of the deck for "legacies," recruited athletes, under-represented groups etc.)
 
Mr. Mullen ( the Dodmerb king) might have the number uploaded into the system for this last scholarship go round. I bet he would be able to give a better statistical number ( you can find him on the dodmerb thread)
 
I think all students applying for any type of scholarship need to work on their "soft" skills. Eye-contact, strong handshake, good conversationalist, proper grooming, posture, etc. It matters.
I completely agree. I'm only a high school senior, but I found that getting involved in my school's speech team really helped me during my interviews. These interviews allow the application reviewers to bridge the gap between a student on paper and who they are as an actual person.
 
I completely agree. I'm only a high school senior, but I found that getting involved in my school's speech team really helped me during my interviews. These interviews allow the application reviewers to bridge the gap between a student on paper and who they are as an actual person.
Good advice for future candidates.
 
mtnwing I tried to pm you but it appear that you have to achieve some threshold # of posts before SAF.com allows private conversations... maybe post 4x (?) more and then pm me? thx
 
I agree. It is also heavily weighed with the AROTC and NROTC.
I don't know about NROTC, but my recollection from AROTC when my son interviewed was that a considerable amount of the interview score, though, was just making sure that you got full "credit" for all of the boxes that you had checked along the way; things like varsity letters, NHS, and stuff like that. It wasn't the whole thing, but it was a decent amount.

In contrast, LTC (Ret.) Kirkland (whom I know doesn't post here anymore, but seems to know how these processes work from the inside and with whom many posters here have had good experiences from what I've read here) has publicly stated that he believes the AF gives inordinate weight to the interview. I simply offer that FWIW.
 
My son had a 1560 SAT and 98.6 GPA at a high ranked school in the state with AP and college classes and all kinds of leadership activities plus two sports and a patent application. He did not get ANY scholarship in 2021. So it seems they are looking at a lot more than just the numbers. I have a second son that is on a full Type 1 at an Ivy. They had the exact same scores.
With incredible stats like that and no scholarship sounds like a brutally honest introspection is needed. There must be some area needing growth or improvement.
 
With incredible stats like that and no scholarship sounds like a brutally honest introspection is needed. There must be some area needing growth or improvement.
No, we were told he was highly recommended for a scholarship and the board passed anyway. Said they had major budget cuts. I don't think introspection is needed here. Would you like to speak to my son? Then you will understand the truth. Happy to set up a call and you can give feedback if you think there are ways to improve. He is open to that. We are a flying family and we got let down here after doing everything to be part of this. NOT a single B in high school and 1560 SAT when it was hard to take it and he only took it twice and the AF doesn't think he should get a scholarship. I don't get it. It is crushing. Life changing decision by a board that didn't look closely at him.
 
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mtnwing I tried to pm you but it appear that you have to achieve some threshold # of posts before SAF.com allows private conversations... maybe post 4x (?) more and then pm me? thx
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