Best of times, Worst of times (and why)

Truthfully most of my tours were pretty good places to live- sometimes the unit left a few things to be desired - :
tops in my book :
Hawaii- I loved it at Schofield and would have retired there but for the cost of living. The one job offer at UH caused my wife to comment that they needed to add another 0 at the end of the offer- but my Brother in law is a native Hawaiian and thru him I got to see an entirely different aspect of Hawaii than just the parts that military and tourists are familiar with. Quarters used to be horrible- but I've seen them in the last year- Uncle Sam has spent a ton of $$ on housing in Hawaii.
Navy War College: They paid you for a year of living in NewPort and reading!!!! SWEET!!!!! Why would you ever choose Carlisle or Ft Leavenworth or Montgomery if this is the alternative?
Israel: The assignment was worthless but living there was great. You could have spent every day for years just touring the countryside and meeting people - more history per square foot than anywhere I have ever been.
Korea: I loved it there (early 80's) and extended 3 times and had two commands there. Even though it was unaccompanied it was like a family affair for me- my brother and brother in law were also in the Division at the same time and I met my wife there (one of the few women in the Division at that time). I loved the Korean's- thought that they were the hardest working people I ever saw and knew that the country would be something soon rather than later. Today- it's a different place completely- an economic powerhouse but I saw it before Cars, Subways and highways.

In between: Ft Bragg- real world stuff and not a bad place to live- but gone all the time and the unit was on steroids as far as their approach to everything- no matter how little, it was always a crisis as someone was always looking to make their name- usually the guy a level or two above you in the food chain.
Ft Campbell; Ft Benning; Thailand: all of them OK. It's HOTTT and sweaty in Bangkok and had the pleasure of actually meeting a Cobra up close and personal- but getting free and going to the beach in Thailand is worth it. At Ft Campbell- the 101st was the poor step child compared to the 82d- don't think that's the case anymore- they are flat out, deployed mas o menos continually to Iraq or Afghanistan these days. Ft Benning- not much in Columbus, but close enough to Atlanta and Panama City to be doable on spur of the moment.

Bottom of the barrel ("make the pain go away mommy!"):
Syria: The assignment was worthless and living there was miserable too. Nuff said
Pentagon: Loved DC- Hated the traffic/ commute up 395 and HATED being "chogi" boy- racing out of the SCIF to upstairs to brief some ASD or DSDon something that a Captain could have approved in the rest of the world. There were 25,000 people working there and you could have chopped 20,000 of them and inside a week nobody would have noticed.
Panama: Too hot, too much jungle and too poor and too much Noriega. Leaving too soon wouldn't have been possible
 
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Well here goes...

Best:
MCB Kaneohe, HI. - Can't beat the tropical living, but after 3 years the island does get a little small.
MCAS Yuma, AZ. - Great outdoor activities (when it wasn't 123 degrees). Nice small town, and Mexico was 15 minutes away.
Yokosuka Japan - Onboard the USS Midway (CV-41). First permanent duty station. I didn't want to be there so the first 4 months were a hell of my making. Once I started getting out I loved Japan. Being on the ship was a different matter, but I did get to see a lot of cool places in the western pacific.
USAFA/Colorado Springs - Got a great billet at DoDMERB, retired here, and haven't left yet!!

Worst:
MCAS New River - I just couldn't learn to like Jacksonville, NC.

Best TDY/port calls:
Hill AFB - Ogden in the winter was a blast! Great skiing.
Odesa Ukraine - Beautiful old city, cheap beer and beautiful women.
Wake Island - Best 4 days of my life. Awsome history, great fishing, beautiful weather.
Hong Kong - Just a blast!

Worst TDY/port calls:
Mombasa Kenya - eye opening 3rd world country
Constanta Romania - Amazing what 15 years of dictatorship can do to a country and a people.
Mountain Home AFB - (sorry Pima!) Middle of February and you can still smell the sheep and cow droppings.
29 Palms - sitting out in the sand for CAX (x4) was the worst.

Just as an aside, being embarked troops is much better than being ships company!!
 
Good Places, Good Folks

KPMum2012 said:
...As has been said in other threads, each place is what you make of it. There is always something good. It's up to you to find it. And you'll always have great stories to tell...

Completely agree with many above. Each place has its charms. It is up to the visitor/resident to find them.

Norfolk - USS Trenton (LPD 14). First tour as an Ensign. Caught the ship at the perfect time, I reported on board on Sunday, and on Wednesday we finished our yard period. Workups and training and two Med deployments and two North Atlantic trips, three swings through the Carib. Blue Nose to Shellback to Suez Canal Transit. Saw lots and learned lots. Enjoyed having the embarked troops, especially when they said "good bye." (Just Kidding!) Followed by Naval Amphibious School Little Creek teaching shiphandling in forty-foot fiberglass models (we were photographed by Nat'l Geographic!). Two stoplights from our first house to the office, which was 1 block from the golf course. The lake for the shiphandling models was between the O'club and the Officer's beach. Bought an old car (1963 Corvair convertible), we had our first child, got my golf game under 100. Lots to do both outdoors (beach) and indoors (history stuff, arts stuff) closeby.

San Diego - Beautiful, although had to get over the disappointment of June Gloom (the fog that hangs around in the mornings for two months). Relatives closeby, Disneyland closeby, Embarcadero, downtown, tidepools near Torrey Pines. Pre-Comm for USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG 60), Everything was for the first time and therefore, an adventure!

West Palm Beach - Command! (even if it was just a reserve center), beautiful area that I couldn't dynamite my family out of now. Close enough to be in the stands at Dolphin Staduim in 1 hour for Marlins and Dolphins and close to the sights and tastes of Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

Top Visits:
Dundee Scotland - half an hour to St Andrews and Carnoustie and they loved having us.
St Croix, USVI - Prettiest place the Navy ever took me, and hey, it's still the USA!
Hong Kong - 1989, superb liberty, lots to see and we were guests at the Royal Hong Kong Golf Club (Motto - Festina Lente, Make Haste Slowly)

I'll keep it to three, but it was a grand time!
 
No apolgies needed, as I stated I couldn't wait to leave MT Home. Being a Jersey Girl and newlywed, seeing the sign welcome to Mt Home, the HUB of Elmore county with pop 8000, I thought I was going to die!
And that was after leaving ALMOGORDO...not a good start for the AF in my mind at that age.

For those who don't know Mt Home back than didn't even have a McDonalds, closest town was Boise 51 miles away:eek:

I would have to say OH MY GOD NO Almogordo ranks at the lowest of the pile for any assignment

My list is different b/c it is from a spouse view
Elmendorf...Top of the list. There is absolutely no place better than there. The sunsets are gorgeous, the realtionships are the best (when you live overseas you become very close since people don't have family around)
The iditarod, camping and just everything was the best. If you ever go there go to the Hilton...they have a roof top bar and it is amazing. Simon and Seaforts for dinner though
Pentagon Again I am a city girl, the freedom to do anything and everything from historic to wine tasting to camping. City girls don't care about the traffic, we just accept it. I do know as a realtor it does freaks out many spouses. Actually had a friend who lived here 3 yrs and was so scared of 95 she never drove it. They lived in Stafford so she didn't have to live with innerbelt congestion. For us...the slug line is what Bullet always does, so traffic isn't an issue, and it's FREE
Ft Bragg...Loved it...shopping, restaurants, great BX/Commissary. It felt like I entered the real world. Also loved the fact that it was so close to Pinehurst.
Ft. Leavenworth...only because it was the 1st time in 13 yrs that I didn't have to do the wifely coffees every month. When you 1st get in the coffess are great, as you get older, they became to me what my nickname stands for:shake:

WORSE
Seymour Johnson...When the town makes a big deal of Outback and Target opening you know you have scratched the bottom of the barrel. Target only made it there about 8 yrs ago. Before than you only had Wal-Mart and a mall that might have 50 stores. It is in the middle of nowhere...70 miles to Raleigh...70 miles to the beach. If you like small towns that is humid than this is the place to be.


MIDDLE
Upper Heyford UK...great when we first got there to enjoy Europe, but after 3 yrs getting stuck behind the carrot trucks or milk trucks it will drive you batty

The one place that I met Bullet on TDY and would hav gone there in a heartbeat if he got assigned would beEGLIN...Niceville is a great town, and having a private military beach is an amazing perk

One base that I wish was never closed is MATHER. I loved visiting Bullet there. There are some bad parts of the city, but the location couldn't be beat
 
Now for something fun...names

Almogordo...OH MY GOD NO Almogodro
Minot...WHY NOT MINOT...FREEZIN IS THE REASON
Pentagon....PUZZLE PALACE

Anybody else know more?

For Bullet and I we refer to Mt. Home as Bumblef**k Idaho, but that is just our name for it...that and BF Eqypt
 
It is the only places that my wife just looked around and asked: "do they really expect us to live here?"

I remember Bullet and I driving from Elmendorf to SJAFB and stopping at Edwards...I looked at him and said...THANK YOU HONEY! He replied: FOR WHAT? ME: FOR NEVER TAKING AN ASSIGNMENT HERE! We both laughed

That is when we also decided some stateside assignments should also be considered as an ACCOMPANIED REMOTE:shake:

OTHER STATESIDE REMOTES
Alamogordo
Cannon
Mt Home
 
Now for something fun...names

Almogordo...OH MY GOD NO Almogodro
Minot...WHY NOT MINOT...FREEZIN IS THE REASON
Pentagon....PUZZLE PALACE

Anybody else know more?

For Bullet and I we refer to Mt. Home as Bumblef**k Idaho, but that is just our name for it...that and BF Eqypt
Hmm...

"Why not Minot?" AKA: Mindrot, NoDakville

Answers: "Freezin's the reasons..." "But the Ice is Nice..." "...It's Cold I'm Told..." (Should I continue? You had to be a SAC-umcised warrior to know them!)

Altus AFB, OK - OBTUSE ALTOOSE
K. I. Sawyer AFB, MI - K. I. SIBERIA (Closed so all you kiddies have no fear)
Grand Forks AFB, ND - FORKO GRANDE, "The Forks"
Aluminum U., Wild Blue U., The Zoo., Blue Womb... Well. ya'll should know that one! (USAFA)
Keflavik AB, Iceland - Keflavikur Flugvelorrum: Spennid Belten! *Okay...granted, that's not what PIMA was writing about, but it was a GREAT assignment and the FIS there was a tiny and tight squadron! And we chased Bears (TU-95 type) often. Ahh...the days of the Cold War...but I digress...
Blytheville AFB, AR - HOOTERVILLE (NO, not what you're thinking, the reference was to a popular show in the 1960's and it's "lost in time" lifestyle.
Pope AFB, NC: NO HOPE POPE, FAYETTE-NAM
Loring AFB, ME - BORING LORING (See KI for those feeling nervous)
Wurtsmith AFB, MI - WORTHLESS AFB (See KI for those feeling nervous)

Those are a few...I can't seem to remember too many "nasty" names for TAC/ACC bases...basically decent locales. And I never flew MAC/AMC trash haulers.:smile:
 
I totally forgot about NO HOPE POPE

The funny thing about FayetteNam when we moved there I expected a lot of Asian spouses and was bewildered when they weren't there, than somebody told me why it is known as FayetteNam...certain areas of Fayetteville are so dangerous it is like a war zone!

In honor of our AFA cadets

It is not the Academy...it is...The little engineering school in the rockies.

For us old people...it was the ALL BOYS ENGINEERING SCHOOL IN THE ROCKIES

However I will give in to ZOOMIES
 
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As an Army wife (four years of our marriage) I have only experienced Ft. Lewis and Germany. Heading off to Germany, newly married, the only Army post I had ever seen was Ft. Lewis. I thought they ALL were like Ft. Lewis. I got a rude awaking when we arrived at Herzogenaurach Artillery Base in Germany. This post was so small you could crawl from one end to the other in less than 10 minutes. The commissary was smaller than a Ft. Lewis shoppette. The PX was a joke. The on-post “hotel” we stayed in when we arrived had five rooms and only one had a double bed. That room was reserved for officers so my husband and I slept in a twin bed for two weeks until we could find an apartment. If I wanted to go to a real PX or commissary I drove to the post at Nuremburg.

We lived on the economy in Germany and that was an experience I hated at the time but look back on now with fondness. It was a two family house, we had the top floor. Our downstairs neighbors were a sweet old German couple. They would have us over for visits and tell us how appreciative they were of the Americans. Our heat came from two oil burning heaters in the apartment. To fill the heaters we had to go down to the basement, pump oil from the holding tank into an oil can, and carry it up to the apartment. In the bathroom we had no shower only the tub. To get hot water to bathe in we had to fill up the oil burner below the water tank, light the burner, and wait at least 30 minutes for the water to heat. In the kitchen our hot water came from a small electric water heater under the sink. One of our first purchases was a VCR so we could watch movies. We watched tons of movies in Germany since we only had one TV station…Armed Forces Network.

I miss a couple of things about Germany. One was the restaurant two blocks from our apartment. They served the best cordon bleu! It covered half of the dinner plate and the other half was piled with pommes frites (French fries). The other thing I miss is the shopping, the crystal factories near Grafenwohr , the Hummel factory in Rodental, and porcelain factories in Bavaria.

Regarding Mt. Home AFB – we have friends that currently live in Idaho. When we went over for their wedding which was held in the bride’s hometown of Glens Ferry (pop. 1600), we stopped in Mt. Home to get some groceries. Pima, I totally understand why you couldn’t wait to get out of there! Bumblef**k, Idaho is an accurate description.:biggrin:
 
The worst Maxwell
After having spent the last 3 years at the zoo (one of the best). My spouse spent a year in the blue bedroom, becoming a "brick layer". What a waste, the schools there OH MY GOD. Son got into the magnet school, Daughter got stuck at school there was a shooting behind the school.

My brother in law, is a black man. He came to visit us the first week we lived there. The family next refused to speak to us the rest of the year. The day we moved in, the wife had brought us a pie to welcome us. Wanted to know everything about us. Welcome to the south.

Thank GOD we went to Newport, for war college.
 
Camp Pendleton, CA - Hated it .... then realzied it really wasnt to bad.. close to everything and the best beaches in North County! and the BEST Carne Asada burritos were at Alberto's right outside the back gate. We lived in Vista.

Camp Lejeune, NC - HATED it... hated the bugs, the humidity, the bugs, the fire ants, the humidity, the waveless beaches, the humidity... did I say I hated it?...

Camp Pendleton, CA - WAS SOOOO HAPPY to get back, actually kissed the ground at the WELCOME to CALIFORNIA sign! We lived in Carlsbad, then moved into the O housing in O'neil heights behind the hospital.. hubby worked up at CEB which was quite a drive for him, but I loved the central location of our house.

Camp Kinser (work)/ Camp Lester (lived on base) / (Out in town we lived past the pink grocery store over above the love motels) Okinawa.
- I hated the humidity, and the HUGE BUGS, the snakes, the AF running everything, but after Lejeune I was atleast a little prepared for the bugs and humidity.. 4 years on the island and afterwards I MISSED it SO much when we moved. I didn't realize it until I was gone. My niece is now married to a Marine and heading to the ROCK in July.. I will be going to visit! Cant wait to go to Gate two street and get some Yakitori, and walk at White Beach, and have some Kobe Beef.. and well just bask in the sun!

Came home to Ft Lewis/McChord AFB ... I love this place better then anywhere.. doesnt get to cold, doesnt get to hot, no humidity, no bugs.. I can deal with the winter rain, and not to much snow..
 
I remember White Beach. It was a little far for us, but we went there from time to time.

I was at Camp Hansen. We had Kin Cho outside the gate, warmly referred to as Kin Ville, or Sin Ville.

There was a nice beach just past town, and we would usually walk into town, pick up lunch and bring it to the beach.

I remember there was a middle school near the beach, and when the beach had too many Marines on it, the locals would get upset, so we tried to limit how many of us would go there. Usually no more than 20 or 30 at any given time.

Naha was a nice weekend to get away. Hansen just didn't have much. I don't know about now, maybe it's different. But back in the early 80's we had a USO near the gate that had a few movies. There were pay phones and a barber and a little food. Other than that, go to town, go to Kadena or Naha.

JB
 
Every place has its "charm",

Very true. Great thread. I think for once I will have to agree with Christcorp, it is definitely a ‘how full is the glass’ thing. “One person’s meat is another person’s poison”. It is amazing over the years how many places I have been and how many things I have done that I truly enjoyed that those next to me hated. I think bruno’s, and a few others, attempts to tie mission with location is very important. A great job will override about anything. I cannot imagine being in any location, even the ‘sandbox’, doing the job for real that I have been trained to do, and not having a blast. It is when the job is not the driving force that attitude, tolerance, and adaptability become important. Like RetNavyHM said, after three years even paradise can become boring, but most places that the military will send you can be fun for a while. Worst case scenario, everyone has hobbies. If one is totally isolated and the weather is horrible, rather than make excuses, practice these hobbies. Become a friend of yourself. It is amazing how many people have difficulty with this. And the thread also shows how important it is to have a spouse with the right attitude.
 
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I remember White Beach. It was a little far for us, but we went there from time to time.

I was at Camp Hansen. We had Kin Cho outside the gate, warmly referred to as Kin Ville, or Sin Ville.

There was a nice beach just past town, and we would usually walk into town, pick up lunch and bring it to the beach.

I remember there was a middle school near the beach, and when the beach had too many Marines on it, the locals would get upset, so we tried to limit how many of us would go there. Usually no more than 20 or 30 at any given time.

Naha was a nice weekend to get away. Hansen just didn't have much. I don't know about now, maybe it's different. But back in the early 80's we had a USO near the gate that had a few movies. There were pay phones and a barber and a little food. Other than that, go to town, go to Kadena or Naha.

JB


Hansen was way up in the Pineapple fields.. LOL.. and Schwab.. I just knew they were UP there.. drove up a few times, but mostly stayed down in the middle of the island. Sunset beach was just across from Camp Lester, and went there frequently. I loved gate 2 street and shopped there and at the mall way to much. I took Japanese classes to make it easier to shop :)
 
Naval Station Treasure Island San Francisco - An island in the middle of the bay. All the sense of community of a small overseas base, but in the middle of the Bay Area. They had a bar on top of the light house at the top of YBI Island.

FE Warren AFB Cheyenne Wy. Wy. Great town for a family, hell if you are young and single. Although I did meet my wife there.

Misawa AB Japan small base in northern Japan. BBQ at the lake. The Rec Center made a Prime Rib sandwich you would kill for.

Sculthorpe Engalnd just a really cool place. Found a fantastic pub in Kings Lynn (Lord Kelvins). Made fast friends with the bartender and local Constable. The Detective Sgt drove me back one night and I thought he was going to kill the MOD gate guard for not really checking our ID. Screaming and yelling at him we could be IRA terrorist or something.

Middle of the Road.

Travis AFB Fairfield Ca great base, nice location, good services, no sense of community.

McClellan AFB Sacramento Ca same as Travis. Lots going on just no community. Base housing was ten miles off base in a whole different community.

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Holloman Alamagordo NMYeah the Alamogordo 500 would be up there. And I still dont get the White Sands.

Castle just never really liked Atwater all that much.

Goodfellow the only thing going on in San Angelo is the occasional tornado. The hail storms were brutal on your car too.

Warner Robins I was always a Yankee. You always tended to be a cuzzin or an outsider. Growing up in Colorado this just didn't agree with me.
 
NAVBASE, Guam was best place ive lived because i lived there for so long, good weather, friends.

Pearl Harbor was the best in terms of weather but pretty bad school system in my experience.
 
BEST of times???

Hmm....it's a TIE:

a. RAF Lakenheath/RAF Mildenhall...heck, RAF Anyplace! :thumb: ALONG with Keflavik NAS, Iceland!! I LOVED that place!!!!!

Worst

b. ANYTHING that begins with "Al " like: Al Udeid, Al Jabber, Al Kharj, etc...closely followed by ANYPLACE in: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq...didn't lose anything in any of those places that I need to go back to find!
 
Completely agree with anything begin with Al and the rest. I had to stop myself from posting my recommendation for all the Al's.
 
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