"Blue Chip" and "Recruited Athlete" technical meaning at USAFA.

Just to add two cents from anecdotal hearsay with absolutely no evidence, I have heard there is a difference between "blue chip" and "recruited athlete" in that if you are a "blue chip", the coach might have a couple of spots (depending on the sport) which he/she can use to influence the admissions process or gain a Superintendent Nomination although he/she may or may not use that influence. If you are a "recruited athlete", the coach may indicate that to admissions and it is worth points on your Whole Candidate Score but the coach purportedly does not have or does not use influence with admissions. You pretty much have to get in on your own but your WCS may get a bump in your total score.

Has anyone heard this or does that seem accurate?
Well, if you read my earlier post in this thread, you’d see that my son was a “blue chip” recruited athlete. Yet.... he was recruited AFTER he had already received an appointment to the academy in October. But the coach definitely wanted him on the team. So throwing around words like “blue chip” have very little meaning at the academy.

The coaches could just as easily requested a superintendent nomination for any recruited athlete that they wanted, assuming they were qualified to get in, but for whatever reason didn’t receive a nomination. Whether they use the word “blue chip” or not is irrelevant.

For my son, it wasn’t until the recruiting coach, who happened to be the recruiter for our state, saw a flood of newspaper articles and tv spots about my son, his team winning state championship, etc. that he contacted my son and I. Prior to that, it was the normal go to the athletics website and fill out the form for interested athletes to the academy. And when he called and wanted to meet, he knew my son already had an appointment. But he still threw around the word blue chip a lot.
 
A word (or several) about Division I sports at USAFA (or any SA), major club sports, and athletes.

Division I sports at any institution require huge time commitments and dedication. Especially at Service Academies, where other commitments loom so very large (academic, squardron, general military preparedness), many young people come in thinking they will be "on the team" for four years, enjoying great trips, exciting competitions, other perks.

Well, usually, the kids practice EVERY SINGLE DAY for HOURS, then RUN to Mitchell Hall to carry their dinners back to the far end of Vandy or Sijan (in 4* ice storm), to sit at a desk doing homework with a "hamster" in their laps, until 8:30 when they have to sit CQ for 2 hours, then sleep on their floors or in their chairs because there's an inspection in the morning. Got a competition next weekend? Good luck, since you may have FOUR LAB SCIENCES, in addition to three other classes plus squad work, and the work for all must be turned in BEFORE you get on that bus for the all-nighter to Amarillo or Salt Lake City.

Do athletes enjoy some perks? Sure, but this is not Beer & Brew State U. Do athletes have even more to grind out than a NARP? Sometimes, yes.

OK, all that said, especially for you parents: Your now=adult child will be consumed with classes, athletics, etc. from wake to sleep. It's sometimes VERY hard, and many many Div I athletes decide they would rather focus that energy on Physics or Astro than on the swim team. We told our sons they had to stay on the team for ONE SEASON only. Then, if they wanted something else, go for it. One son told us: There are literally hundreds of clubs and sports here. If I stay on the team, I have time for NOTHING else. He wound up loving the Catholic Choir and Capt of the Nordic Ski team his firstie year, commitments he enjoyed immensely and made time for. The other son stayed on the team three years and just decided to hang up his epee, as it were. He loved his squad activities so much that last year.

So, Div I sports are great, but your kid is not at USAFA so s/he can be a pro ball player (though that might eventually happen). S/he is in training to be the best officer he can in the Air Force.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
...has enough conditions, caveats, and weasel words that there really is no enforceable "guarantee"...

My favorite take-away from this thread is "Weasel Words". :D
 
Old Navy BGO said:
...has enough conditions, caveats, and weasel words that there really is no enforceable "guarantee"...

My favorite take-away from this thread is "Weasel Words". :D
Hopefully the weasel I am referring to won't weasel as many recruits this year with empty promises if this thread stays current through recruiting season.
 
Although there are many posts on recruited athletes, blue chip athletes, what that means for a LOA or appointment, etc., I still learn a lot reading these threads. The perspective from parents of SA athletes, forum members with years of experience gives good insight to us newbies. My DS is being recruited and it is difficult to know exactly what that will mean for him regarding if/how he gets a nomination. He does have an official visit scheduled, so hopefully that is one good sign.
 
Although there are many posts on recruited athletes, blue chip athletes, what that means for a LOA or appointment, etc., I still learn a lot reading these threads. The perspective from parents of SA athletes, forum members with years of experience gives good insight to us newbies. My DS is being recruited and it is difficult to know exactly what that will mean for him regarding if/how he gets a nomination. He does have an official visit scheduled, so hopefully that is one good sign.
Push for a letter of assurance on official academy letterhead. Words such as your a blue chip, your a recruited athlete, and we want you on the team don't hold any water when it comes down to the line and more competition knocks on the door, even in April and May. Trust me when I say, if some recruit has a few stats better than you, they will drop you in a heart beat. And they will take the person that gets a congressional nomination late, way after the posted congressional deadlines of November. If the athlete brings mega talent to the team, they will bend the rules. The typical applicant does not realize this, but let's face it we don't sit on the admissions board and we don't what carries weight. Since there is no standardized score or formula for applicants other than the SAT(which is only one component in the mystery equation), you gotta bet there is plenty of subjective give and take, whatever it takes to get the next big trophy, etc.
 
A word (or several) about Division I sports at USAFA (or any SA), major club sports, and athletes.

Division I sports at any institution require huge time commitments and dedication. Especially at Service Academies, where other commitments loom so very large (academic, squardron, general military preparedness), many young people come in thinking they will be "on the team" for four years, enjoying great trips, exciting competitions, other perks.

Well, usually, the kids practice EVERY SINGLE DAY for HOURS, then RUN to Mitchell Hall to carry their dinners back to the far end of Vandy or Sijan (in 4* ice storm), to sit at a desk doing homework with a "hamster" in their laps, until 8:30 when they have to sit CQ for 2 hours, then sleep on their floors or in their chairs because there's an inspection in the morning. Got a competition next weekend? Good luck, since you may have FOUR LAB SCIENCES, in addition to three other classes plus squad work, and the work for all must be turned in BEFORE you get on that bus for the all-nighter to Amarillo or Salt Lake City.

Do athletes enjoy some perks? Sure, but this is not Beer & Brew State U. Do athletes have even more to grind out than a NARP? Sometimes, yes.

OK, all that said, especially for you parents: Your now=adult child will be consumed with classes, athletics, etc. from wake to sleep. It's sometimes VERY hard, and many many Div I athletes decide they would rather focus that energy on Physics or Astro than on the swim team. We told our sons they had to stay on the team for ONE SEASON only. Then, if they wanted something else, go for it. One son told us: There are literally hundreds of clubs and sports here. If I stay on the team, I have time for NOTHING else. He wound up loving the Catholic Choir and Capt of the Nordic Ski team his firstie year, commitments he enjoyed immensely and made time for. The other son stayed on the team three years and just decided to hang up his epee, as it were. He loved his squad activities so much that last year.

So, Div I sports are great, but your kid is not at USAFA so s/he can be a pro ball player (though that might eventually happen). S/he is in training to be the best officer he can in the Air Force.
Very true on the time and effort required to play Division 1 sports at a Service Academy. I did 2 seasons per year for all four of my years at USNA and when I graduated, was assigned to help coach the new plebes for a couple of months before I went on to my professional training and the fleet. Fast Forward a couple of decades and my younger son made it into USNA. He was an all conference runner but knew that his times were not good enough for D1 level competition so I suggested that he follow my lead and I knew where he could fit onto my old team. As kind of the reverse of your son, he started off with another activity and intramurals as a plebe but then went out for my team as a 3/C mid and did the remaining six seasons on the team. A number of his teammates had parents who had been my teammates including the son of my team captain/best man at my wedding.
 
Push for a letter of assurance on official academy letterhead

OK, now I have to clean off my screen. Just whom should be the object of this "pushing" you suggest? The Coach? Are we talking revenue sport or just any ol' bunch of athletes? I think you are not quite understanding all the ins and outs of Division I athletics at a US Service Academy. Do they want great TEAM players there? Sure.

I had a son who got a late nom, while his twin brother got his LOA on his birthday in October (identical stats). "Bending the rules" as you express it is somewhat "bending the truth." There are some noms/appointments that are indeed held back to bring in someone who slipped through the cracks. Why is that so awful? If one gets an LOA in the fall, a Nom in January, and is then offered the promised appointment, it's not rescinded because they offer similar later to someone else.

And NO ONE is getting an appointment who is not 3Q'd.
 
LOAs are pretty few and far between, there @BBBRRRTT. LOAs don't come on "academy letterhead" either.
Giving a poster here advice to "push for a letter of assurance" is at the very least uniformed, and at best irresponsible.
 
Although there are many posts on recruited athletes, blue chip athletes, what that means for a LOA or appointment, etc., I still learn a lot reading these threads. The perspective from parents of SA athletes, forum members with years of experience gives good insight to us newbies. My DS is being recruited and it is difficult to know exactly what that will mean for him regarding if/how he gets a nomination. He does have an official visit scheduled, so hopefully that is one good sign.
Push for a letter of assurance on official academy letterhead. Words such as your a blue chip, your a recruited athlete, and we want you on the team don't hold any water when it comes down to the line and more competition knocks on the door, even in April and May. Trust me when I say, if some recruit has a few stats better than you, they will drop you in a heart beat. And they will take the person that gets a congressional nomination late, way after the posted congressional deadlines of November. If the athlete brings mega talent to the team, they will bend the rules. The typical applicant does not realize this, but let's face it we don't sit on the admissions board and we don't what carries weight. Since there is no standardized score or formula for applicants other than the SAT(which is only one component in the mystery equation), you gotta bet there is plenty of subjective give and take, whatever it takes to get the next big trophy, etc.

A LOA does not come on letterhead. It shows in your portal and can only be rescinded if you screw it up with tanking grades, getting into trouble or found misrepresenting yourself. I get that you are disappointed and have every right to feel that way, but you must not have read the previous threads about recruiting OR thought it could never happen to you. The facts are that if you were what the SA was looking for, you would be there now. Work on your next plan, move on, learn something from this disappointment and stop acting like the world owes you something.
 
Although there are many posts on recruited athletes, blue chip athletes, what that means for a LOA or appointment, etc., I still learn a lot reading these threads. The perspective from parents of SA athletes, forum members with years of experience gives good insight to us newbies. My DS is being recruited and it is difficult to know exactly what that will mean for him regarding if/how he gets a nomination. He does have an official visit scheduled, so hopefully that is one good sign.
Push for a letter of assurance on official academy letterhead. Words such as your a blue chip, your a recruited athlete, and we want you on the team don't hold any water when it comes down to the line and more competition knocks on the door, even in April and May. Trust me when I say, if some recruit has a few stats better than you, they will drop you in a heart beat. And they will take the person that gets a congressional nomination late, way after the posted congressional deadlines of November. If the athlete brings mega talent to the team, they will bend the rules. The typical applicant does not realize this, but let's face it we don't sit on the admissions board and we don't what carries weight. Since there is no standardized score or formula for applicants other than the SAT(which is only one component in the mystery equation), you gotta bet there is plenty of subjective give and take, whatever it takes to get the next big trophy, etc.

A LOA does not come on letterhead. It shows in your portal and can only be rescinded if you screw it up with tanking grades, getting into trouble or found misrepresenting yourself. I get that you are disappointed and have every right to feel that way, but you must not have read the previous threads about recruiting OR thought it could never happen to you. The facts are that if you were what the SA was looking for, you would be there now. Work on your next plan, move on, learn something from this disappointment and stop acting like the world owes you something.
Mermaidmom2021, thank you for the clarification. That's what I love about this forum, it really gets good information to the people that need it. I misspoke since the rejection letter came via the portal on a nice official letterhead. Perhaps the Letter of Assurance term will need to be updated with the times to be called a Portal Message of Assurance(PMOA) instead. Either way, I hope the correct information gets to all that have this to experience this upcoming year. Not to be lost in the weeds, I still encourage applicants/recruits to push themselves to get the highest marks athletically and academically early in the process to obtain the coveted LOA(PMOA). Also, thank you for the sound advice to continue learning and use a setback as a springboard toward even more success, this is advice everyone can use, young and old. Trust me when I say this O.P. does not believe anything is owed to him. I will continue with my successful career:)
 
LOAs are pretty few and far between, there @BBBRRRTT. LOAs don't come on "academy letterhead" either.
Giving a poster here advice to "push for a letter of assurance" is at the very least uniformed, and at best irresponsible.
Thanks for the sound advice THParent. Truly appreciate every ones input. Please see my response to Mermaidmom2021, I think it clarifies my position. I don't want to repeat anything on the forum. I was reviewing the terms of the forum and I need to strive to constantly improve.
 
Push for a letter of assurance on official academy letterhead

OK, now I have to clean off my screen. Just whom should be the object of this "pushing" you suggest? The Coach? Are we talking revenue sport or just any ol' bunch of athletes? I think you are not quite understanding all the ins and outs of Division I athletics at a US Service Academy. Do they want great TEAM players there? Sure.

I had a son who got a late nom, while his twin brother got his LOA on his birthday in October (identical stats). "Bending the rules" as you express it is somewhat "bending the truth." There are some noms/appointments that are indeed held back to bring in someone who slipped through the cracks. Why is that so awful? If one gets an LOA in the fall, a Nom in January, and is then offered the promised appointment, it's not rescinded because they offer similar later to someone else.

And NO ONE is getting an appointment who is not 3Q'd.
Thanks for the sound advice fencersmother. Truly appreciate your input. Please see my response to Mermaidmom2021, I think it clarifies my position. I meant push one's self, not anyone one within the constructs of the institution!
 
Old Navy BGO said:
...has enough conditions, caveats, and weasel words that there really is no enforceable "guarantee"...

My favorite take-away from this thread is "Weasel Words". :D
Hopefully the weasel I am referring to won't weasel as many recruits this year with empty promises if this thread stays current through recruiting season.
I would like to retract my reference to weasel, that was much too strong a term to reference anyone at the SA institution. I hold all at the SA in relatively high regards, although I do, in my opinion, question the integrity of some of the recruiting tactics.
 
2 points.

1. There are minimum standards, scores, formulas, etc. for meeting the minimum standards. Just because you don’t know what they are, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And there’s nothing to say you have a need or right to know what they are. This isn’t the University of Whereverthehellyouarefrom, where you meet certain standards, have the money, and you’re in. Most people applying to the academy don’t realize how competitive it is. The overwhelming percentage of applicants who get an appointment are so HIGH above the minimum standards, that you’d get a nose bleed thinking about it.

2. The problem is, people look at stats that show the average gpa of 3.86 or average act score of 30, and they think these are the standards. Even the lowest scored applicant who receives an appointment, be it a recruited athlete or some home schooled kid who only played community soccer, ALL are above the minimum standards required to get into the academies. The majority are WAY over the minimum. There’s no “Bending” of the rules, requirements, standards, etc. The problem is, because you don’t know what these standards are, you assume they bend them. That’s because most people think everything is mathematical. Little ajohnny had a 35 ACT and 4.0 gpa and didn’t get an appointment, they must have bent the rules to get an athlete, minority, woman, etc. in and little Johnny got hosed. NO...... Maybe little Johnny had nothing going for him. Maybe all he had was academics. No social skills, no leadership skills, no team skills, no community skills, etc. Combine this with the “Everyone gets a participation certificate or trophy” mentality, and it’s real easy to rationalize why someone like Johnny didn’t receive an appointment.

Truths:
1. There are rules, standards, formulas, and a scoring to selecting appointees. Just because you don’t know what they are or how it’s computed, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And they don’t bend them.
2. Get the 12 years of elementary and high school thinking OUT of your head. Academics is not the only thing that matters. It’s not even necessarily the most important thing that matters. And once you’re out of high school, the world isn’t measured any longer on a 4.0 scale. There’s even a lot of 4.0 gpa and 30+ act students that don’t get selected to many traditional universities.
3. The academies are NOT a traditional university. Academics there are important, but that is not their primary goal, purpose, or motive. Building military leaders to help protect our county and way of life is their purpose. Once you realize and accept this truth, you start to realize how all of the NON-academic attributes of an academy applicant become as, or more important than your grades.
 
2 points.

1. There are minimum standards, scores, formulas, etc. for meeting the minimum standards. Just because you don’t know what they are, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And there’s nothing to say you have a need or right to know what they are. This isn’t the University of Whereverthehellyouarefrom, where you meet certain standards, have the money, and you’re in. Most people applying to the academy don’t realize how competitive it is. The overwhelming percentage of applicants who get an appointment are so HIGH above the minimum standards, that you’d get a nose bleed thinking about it.

2. The problem is, people look at stats that show the average gpa of 3.86 or average act score of 30, and they think these are the standards. Even the lowest scored applicant who receives an appointment, be it a recruited athlete or some home schooled kid who only played community soccer, ALL are above the minimum standards required to get into the academies. The majority are WAY over the minimum. There’s no “Bending” of the rules, requirements, standards, etc. The problem is, because you don’t know what these standards are, you assume they bend them. That’s because most people think everything is mathematical. Little ajohnny had a 35 ACT and 4.0 gpa and didn’t get an appointment, they must have bent the rules to get an athlete, minority, woman, etc. in and little Johnny got hosed. NO...... Maybe little Johnny had nothing going for him. Maybe all he had was academics. No social skills, no leadership skills, no team skills, no community skills, etc. Combine this with the “Everyone gets a participation certificate or trophy” mentality, and it’s real easy to rationalize why someone like Johnny didn’t receive an appointment.

Truths:
1. There are rules, standards, formulas, and a scoring to selecting appointees. Just because you don’t know what they are or how it’s computed, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And they don’t bend them.
2. Get the 12 years of elementary and high school thinking OUT of your head. Academics is not the only thing that matters. It’s not even necessarily the most important thing that matters. And once you’re out of high school, the world isn’t measured any longer on a 4.0 scale. There’s even a lot of 4.0 gpa and 30+ act students that don’t get selected to many traditional universities.
3. The academies are NOT a traditional university. Academics there are important, but that is not their primary goal, purpose, or motive. Building military leaders to help protect our county and way of life is their purpose. Once you realize and accept this truth, you start to realize how all of the NON-academic attributes of an academy applicant become as, or more important than your grades.
Thanks for the information. I am going to say all this was covered on other forum threads!
 
Christcorp, I am looking at a congressman's website that states deadline for application of Nov 1st. I have on good authority that applications are submitted far after that deadline for congressional nominations by request of coaches and SA's. I know your quite knowledgeable in all things SA, but I trust I know my personal experience better than you and I was told by a SA official that this is done. In my opinion, that is bending the rules. I have been in professional business dealings for 30 years and that's not a level playing field. I am not complaining, I get it. This is the SA's system and they can do as they please within it's constructs. I am just relaying the information to others that I know first hand to be true, so they can plan accordingly.
 
Christcorp, I am looking at a congressman's website that states deadline for application of Nov 1st. I have on good authority that applications are submitted far after that deadline for congressional nominations by request of coaches and SA's. I know your quite knowledgeable in all things SA, but I trust I know my personal experience better than you and I was told by a SA official that this is done. In my opinion, that is bending the rules. I have been in professional business dealings for 30 years and that's not a level playing field. I am not complaining, I get it. This is the SA's system and they can do as they please within it's constructs. I am just relaying the information to others that I know first hand to be true, so they can plan accordingly.

A nomination is only one small part of your quest for appointment and probably the easiest to work around for coaches.

If you think SA recruiting is shady, you have NO idea how civilian institutions misrepresent themselves.
 
I find all this information very interesting!! My son was heavily recruited by a number of D1 schools to play football with full ride offers. When he committed to AFA (he chose the academy because he wants to be a doctor and serve his county) his recruiting coach told him not to worry about the nomination as he would have it taken care of. Since we are LDS, my son decided to serve a mission and now fast forward 2 years the same coach has told him the same thing as he has started his application again. It will be interesting to see how his application progresses and what actually happens in his specific situation.
 
I find all this information very interesting!! My son was heavily recruited by a number of D1 schools to play football with full ride offers. When he committed to AFA (he chose the academy because he wants to be a doctor and serve his county) his recruiting coach told him not to worry about the nomination as he would have it taken care of. Since we are LDS, my son decided to serve a mission and now fast forward 2 years the same coach has told him the same thing as he has started his application again. It will be interesting to see how his application progresses and what actually happens in his specific situation.


My understanding is that as long as you apply for nominations from all possible sources (senator, congressional, vp) they can find one.

Good luck to your son!
 
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