Boots - again

I don't know if any old timers feels this whole subject is strange (as have all the other "boot" related threads) but whatever happened to wearing what Uncle Sam issues you?

I fully admit that I was shocked to experience the lack of quality gear I was issued while on active duty. As an avid backpacker I knew you could get better boots, backpacks and sleeping bags. I cursed the GSA for its procurement policies.

But I never had any options. I wore what was issued and dealt with it. I don't remember any options to purchase civilian gear and probably wouldn't have done it anyway. (too frugal, didn't want to stand out as a prima donna, etc)

However, I am sad to see the commentary on all the civilian options available to our military personnel. We are not far from a situation where everyone of means buys their own gear and those with less means "suffer" with what is issued.

It just seems that "the system" should serve our active duty personnel better than this. It hasn't gotten better over the years... it has gotten worse. Offering people the chance to buy their own gear will never make the situation better.

Feel free to toss these late night ramblings...

I understand what you are saying but I don't think it's an "old timer" issue. The military in the US has always been such. Officers, going back to the Revolutionary War could buy better uniforms and equipment while the enlisted soldiers, for the most part, made do with what they were issued. I inherited a few uniform pieces that my father bought during the Korean conflict. He bought them himself in order to have warmer things to wear. The change is not the option to buy their own but the vast array of options available and the ease of getting them.

As for my son, he was interested in getting his own boots in order NOT to stand out. His issued boots are different than those of most of the other cadets and he would rather blend in. For me, it was more of the "yuck" factor of knowing he is wearing used boots. :biggrin:
 
I agree with you regarding a long standing history of privately supplied gear but my personal experience was it wasn't allowed. Could be case of branch, time period, unit regs, etc. Every Marine I served with and observed wore what was issued. Many added extra gear (knives in particular) but uniforms were "uniform" in the units I served with.

The US Military is a big and varied organization. Generalizations are always problematic - there are always exceptions. I would imagine that during wartime, service with various branches, service with other countries' servicemen could definately change things - just not in my personal experience. I also conceed that approved personal gear is an acceptable standard in some branches and units. I never saw it but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The change is not the option to buy their own but the vast array of options available and the ease of getting them.

Certainly this is true and makes the point. Lots of options available AND lots of acceptance of this within the military.

Would sure like to see the GSA procure better gear so that folks aren't searching out alternatives and spending their own money.
 
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Boots issued are not used, at least in DS's case. they are his to keep along with his numerous ACU's he has received.
 
I inherited a few uniform pieces that my father bought during the Korean conflict. He bought them himself in order to have warmer things to wear.
Your father was wise. Poorly configured standard issue uniforms and boots cost at least hundreds, possibly thousands of good lives in Korea in the winter of 1950. Lives lost not at the end of a bayonet, or bullet, or shell fragments... but from clothing that failed to keep the soldiers and marines from freezing to death. Actually the Nazi's had made that same mistake on the Eastern front as well in 1943. One would have thought that the lessons learned on the Eastern front, and from Korea would translate to a procurement system that keeps up with civilian gear used for equivalent purposes... boots especially, but also backpacks, IED resistant vehicles, thermal gear, watches, knives, etc.

I first learned about the lesser quality of gov't issued gear when shopping for a 2-3 day hiking backpack about three years ago. My brother's son had just graduated USNA, was home for a few days prior to going off to MIT for two years for a camping trip. They were in the front yard cleaning out some backpacks. I checked it out, and asked, ignorantly, if their equipment were as good as the equipment issued to soldiers in Iraq. They both sort of laughed at me, and basically said that while Gov't issued equipment isn't "crap", it is below the midpoint in quality of what most people would invest in for equipment they plan to use a lot. In particular to a backpack, the strength, weight, lumbar support, and water resistance of the materials used to build the backpack, I wondered then why that was, and I still wonder it. Is procuring a below midpoint quality backpack for $50 vs. a higher quality backpack for $100 really worth the lives put at risk on active duty by poor quality gear? Same for boots. If a soldier is hobbled by foot injuries (tendon, arch, blisters, shin splits, etc.) caused by last generation technology, then that soldier is at risk, as is his unit that depends on him to be at X point at Y hour.

In this day and age of technological innovation, there is no reason boots should be issued to cadets at USMA and ROTC, and soldiers in Active Duty or Reserves, that require the soldier to know how to liberally apply moleskin to the areas of the foot that the poorly designed boots rub to rawness and blisters. And no reason why high quality inserts costing $50 should have to be purchased by soldiers in an attempt to upgrade the standard issue boots into boots that don't injure their feet. And guess what... most active duty soldiers DON'T use the issued boots. Check out reviews online for all these tactical type boots, and you'll see most of the reviews coming from active duty soldiers (and I assume Marines) who bought them time and again with their own money.
 
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I kinda remember that the the 'deal' was the first issue of uniform is 'free.' After that one buys/replaces what is needed with the uniform allowance. So I suppose one buying std issue or an upgrade has been up to the individual and pretty much the arrangement for a long time now. I know the clothing store at the nearby base has both std issue and upgraded everything.
I can agree that the supply/contracts people do not always get good stuff where and when it is needed. I'm thinking the uniform allowance system is a pretty effective work around.
 
DS got used boots - two pair. The good news is that they are somewhat broken in.

Well there you go, you found the silver lining. If possible I would have him try on different kinds before buying a pair, sizes can vary.
Good luck to your son.:thumb:
 
Sorry to revive an old thread, I know that is a no-no....but this conversation pertains. I am used to the Service academy way of thinking and am trying to switch to the ROTC way...so I apologize if this is a foolish question.

Lots of family gift-giving opportunities coming up and an uncle of DS who was in ROTC forever ago, offered to buy DS' ROTC boots.

However, should DS contact someone (Probably not PMS right?) and ask them if he can bring his own boots to school next year, or should we just assume he can.

Also wouldn't it be best to be able to try the boots on to see how they feel instead of ordering them on line?

Are there any boots that are off the acceptable list?

TIA,
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