Breakdown of athletics

A1Janitor

A1Janitor

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Is there a quick place to find the following answers:

How many male D1 athlete are there at Naval Academy?

Are they broken down by year?

For instance ... 400 total male athletes ... approximately 100 per class year.
 
What is the correlation between color blind waivers and the number of D1 male athletes? Or the mystery?
 
There is an "Ask the AD" link on the Navy Sports Website. https://navysports.com/sb_output.aspx?form=4
I'm not sure if they would/could answer easily. The other option is that the Navy Sports website has a list of all sports and rosters for each one. That would be a tedious research project, but "quick" is a relative term. :)
 
justdoit19 said:
What is the correlation between color blind waivers and the number of D1 male athletes? Or the mystery?
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I have seen it discussed that nobody knows how many they give or how they select them.

I have been told in private that they save them for d1 athletes that are colorblind.

So ... I am theorizing ... a non-D1 athlete with an LOA and high WCS might get a waiver depending on how many athletes need them.

Some years it’s been reported that they gave them out to all. Some none. I am just using my stem abilities. ;)
 
justdoit19 said:
What is the correlation between color blind waivers and the number of D1 male athletes? Or the mystery?
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I’m interested in the alleged correlation too. Of the mids we have sponsored since 1996, I can think of about 16 who had the color blind waiver. One was a club sport player, the rest were intramural warriors. A small sample, to be sure. I haven’t heard of any reserving of those for those who choose to play varsity sports. Now, I would guess since many of the football players go Marine ground and enter USNA knowing that’s their desired path, there might be a natural clumping of the color-blind waivers there.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think that USNA publishes whether any of its athletes are colorblind. Thus, not sure how knowing the number of male varsity athletes adds anything to the equation in terms of waivers, colorblindness, and varsity athletics.

It's also important to understand that not all USNA varsity athletes are recruited (they walk on) and some of those who are recruited aren't "blue chip." Meaning that the fact a D1 athlete happens to be colorblind does not mean that the person's athletic status was any factor in the waiver decision. I've also never heard anything about "saving" waivers for colorblind recruited athletes.

The fact is that the needs of the USN dictate that only a tiny percentage (no more than 2% and usually ends up being closer to 1%) of admitted students can be colorblind. If you're in that category, you have a much more difficult road to an appointment. Not impossible, just more difficult. Future candidates should strongly consider USAFA and USMA which are much more lenient when it comes to red/green colorblindness.
 
A1Janitor said:
I suspect the answers will explain the colorblind waiver mystery.
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The Color Blind waiver mystery ? What does Navy Athletics have to do with it ?

I presume you are suggesting that Recruited Athletes have a better chance with the waiver than other candidates ...
Recruited Athletes have the same Medical Qualification standards . If they are colorblind, they have the same waiver process. It is up to Admissions, and ultimately the Supe, to grant the waivers. A lot of factors go in to who gets the waiver, and I am not naive enough to think that the coaches (particularly) football don't have any input, but you need to understand that colorblind waivers are limited ...and for good reason. The Mission of the Naval Academy is to develop Line Officers, and being color blind limits the choice of assignment. As I explained to one of my candidate's parents this year -- the color blind waiver makes an already competitive process even more competitive.

A1J -- I get the frustration, but be patient. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
A1Janitor said:
I suspect the answers will explain the colorblind waiver mystery.
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The Color Blind waiver mystery ? What does Navy Athletics have to do with it ?

I presume you are suggesting that Recruited Athletes have a better chance with the waiver than other candidates ...
Recruited Athletes have the same Medical Qualification standards . If they are colorblind, they have the same waiver process. It is up to Admissions, and ultimately the Supe, to grant the waivers. A lot of factors go in to who gets the waiver, and I am not naive enough to think that the coaches (particularly) football don't have any input, but you need to understand that colorblind waivers are limited ...and for good reason. The Mission of the Naval Academy is to develop Line Officers, and being color blind limits the choice of assignment. As I explained to one of my candidate's parents this year -- the color blind waiver makes an already competitive process even more competitive.

A1J -- I get the frustration, but be patient. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
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I appreciate the response.

My mind keeps sprinting, ignoring the marathon.

My only point is this ... they are legally allowed 20 waivers, 20 to 25% of job assignments allow colorblindness, my son got an early LOA and I was told by admissions that he is considered a top candidate. I know his resume.

I just don’t understand how he couldn’t get a waiver. Absent the LOA I get the argument.
 
“It's also important to understand that not all USNA varsity athletes are recruited (they walk on) and some of those who are recruited aren't "blue chip."

Actually most of the recruited athletes are not “blue chip”. My understanding is that coaches have a small number of those “chips”. And yes, several in my DS’s company walked-on to Varsity sports. That’s so neat! There are sooooo many opportunities for really cool sports. I believe I am remembering correctly that the Supe said USNA has the most (maybe one of the most?) Varsity level sports offered, male and female.
 
Supe said USNA has the most (maybe one of the most?) Varsity level sports offered, male and female
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I think USNA is 3rd after -- I think -- Ohio State and Stanford (but may be wrong about those schools).

I just don’t understand how he couldn’t get a waiver. Absent the LOA I get the argument.
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The main reason would be that he is not in the top dozen or so of those with colorblindness whom USNA wants to admit.

They are legally allowed to admit up to 2% of the class with CB. As mentioned earlier, the actual number tends to be about half that. As OldNavyBGO says, it's tough. LOAs are still contingent on medical qualification. If you need a waiver, it may or may not come through. I've had LOA candidates not get waivers. Rare but it happens.
 
So now we know typically 12 color blind candidates are accepted. How can we find out how many candidates need a color waiver on an average year?
 
usna1985 said:
The main reason would be that he is not in the top dozen or so of those with colorblindness whom USNA wants to admit.
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And based on statistics and what I have been told, I can’t believe that could be true. We will see.

The wait continues.
 
Color blindness affects 8 percent of the US male population and .5 percent of the US female population. I suppose we could use those statistics to extrapolate how many candidates typically need a CB waiver.
 
Overwhelmed said:
Color blindness affects 8 percent of the US male population and .5 percent of the US female population. I suppose we could use those statistics to extrapolate how many candidates typically need a CB waiver.
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Those were the stats I was going to use to try and figure it out.

But apparently that ruffles some feathers.
 
A1Janitor said:
usna1985 said:
The main reason would be that he is not in the top dozen or so of those with colorblindness whom USNA wants to admit.
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And based on statistics and what I have been told, I can’t believe that could be true. We will see.

The wait continues.
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I am curious what you have been told? I remember waiting and wondering....a lot. Without information.

I don't have first-hand experience, but according to posts on the forums, USMA does tell their candidates where they stand (if I understand correctly). But USNA does not.
 
Wow, if the energy applied to this thread — statistical gymnastics to deduce admission odds of a color-blind candidate based the on number of male varsity athletes — were applied elsewhere...we might so much closer to world peace. Sigh.
 
MidCakePa said:
Wow, if the energy applied to this thread — statistical gymnastics to deduce admission odds of a color-blind candidate based the on number of male varsity athletes — were applied elsewhere...we might so much closer to world peace. Sigh.
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My whole three minutes can solve world peace?

You give me far too much credit.

Or maybe you aren’t as good with math as me. ;)
 
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