C/O 2029 Waitlist Thread

I love the positivity, and I don't want to deter anyone's morale, but I have a strong feeling we will be waiting a little bit longer, at least until next week.

I have been talking to some of my friends who attend / work at the academy, and they seem to be reevaluating non-selects. Of course, we knew they were going to do this to an extent, as in past years they have offered appointments to qualified non-selects over waitlisted candidates, but it seems like this year they are reviewing them more than they normally do, and by a lot. I feel this kind of corroborates what @Future Falcon was saying yesterday regarding them not being able to fill their slots. The good news with this is that although this will take longer, it points to good news for the vast majority of those of us on the waitlist.

This is all speculative, and if you feel otherwise or have heard/seen something else, I would love to hear your insight. Good luck to all, and as always, Aim High ... Fly-Fight-Win!
When you say non-selects is that candidates that were not chosen on their slates but maybe bc others that were chosen have declined their appointment so now admissions is going down the line on these slates to pull in someone for that Senator or Congressman slot?
 
Thank you can you tell me what this means “as in past years they have offered appointments to qualified non-selects over waitlisted candidates, but it seems like this year they are reviewing them more than they normally do, and by a lot.”

Do you mean they will not choose waitlist and go back and choose those they turned down instead? Why would they have a waitlist then?
 
When you say non-selects is that candidates that were not chosen on their slates but maybe bc others that were chosen have declined their appointment so now admissions is going down the line on these slates to pull in someone for that Senator or Congressman slot?
These were people who lost their congressman’s slate, but were competitive. Before May 1, when USAFA completed their first major round of appointments, there wasn’t enough space to fit them in, so they gave them a rejection. The letter is along the lines of, “Unfortunately, we cannot offer appointments to all outstanding students…”. After May 1st, USAFA is no longer constrained to slates. They are now worried about filling the class, so most likely, the appointment would be charged to the national pool.
 
These were people who lost their congressman’s slate, but were competitive. Before May 1, when USAFA completed their first major round of appointments, there wasn’t enough space to fit them in, so they gave them a rejection. The letter is along the lines of, “Unfortunately, we cannot offer appointments to all outstanding students…”. After May 1st, USAFA is no longer constrained to slates. They are now worried about filling the class, so most likely, the appointment would be charged to the national pool.
How does the waitlist fit into that?
 
Thank you can you tell me what this means “as in past years they have offered appointments to qualified non-selects over waitlisted candidates, but it seems like this year they are reviewing them more than they normally do, and by a lot.”

Do you mean they will not choose waitlist and go back and choose those they turned down instead? Why would they have a waitlist then?
They will most likely choose the waitlist as well. I think admissions is reviewing both the waitlist and qualified non-selects to wrap up this class as soon as possible. So no, they are not avoiding the waitlist. I believe it’s simply because the waitlist alone won’t be enough to reach the target class size, so admissions is being proactive.

In theory, can they pick a qualified non-select over someone waitlisted? Sure. Do I think it would need to be a special case and not a consistent trend? Yes. We're almost there. Hang on!
 
How does the waitlist fit into that?
The waitlist was for people who almost won their congressman’s/senator’s slate, but the person who was offered an appointment didn’t immediately accept. As in, it’s not necessarily merit-based on a national level like it is for USNA. It was merit-based for your region/district. So, the qualified non-selects and the waitlist will most likely have their appointments charged to the national pool or some other source if admissions can find a vacancy. Remember, USAFA is no longer constrained to slates after May 1st. Their objective is to now fill the rest of the class.
 
The waitlist was for people who almost won their congressman’s/senator’s slate, but the person who was offered an appointment didn’t immediately accept. As in, it’s not necessarily merit-based on a national level like it is for USNA. It was merit-based for your region/district. So, the qualified non-selects and the waitlist will most likely have their appointments charged to the national pool or some other source if admissions can find a vacancy. Remember, USAFA is no longer constrained to slates after May 1st. Their objective is to now fill the rest of the class.
Thank you for all your explanations. This actually makes much more sense now!
 
I love the positivity, and I don't want to deter anyone's morale, but I have a strong feeling we will be waiting a little bit longer, at least until next week.

I have been talking to some of my friends who attend / work at the academy, and they seem to be reevaluating non-selects. Of course, we knew they were going to do this to an extent, as in past years they have offered appointments to qualified non-selects over waitlisted candidates, but it seems like this year they are reviewing them more than they normally do, and by a lot. I feel this kind of corroborates what @Future Falcon was saying yesterday regarding them not being able to fill their slots. The good news with this is that although this will take longer, it points to good news for the vast majority of those of us on the waitlist.

This is all speculative, and if you feel otherwise or have heard/seen something else, I would love to hear your insight. Good luck to all, and as always, Aim High ... Fly-Fight-Win!
Very interesting. I think that since the yield isn't looking too good and admissions are also looking at the qualified non-selects(QNS), this is a great sign for waitlisted candidates since it shows a need for seats to be filled. I don't believe the re-evaluation of QNS will interfere with the waitlisted individuals. It's more of that admissions don't have a lot of time to wait until everyone on the waitlist has received appointments, to then start looking at the QNS. They want to be ready to shoot out appointments as soon as possible to wrap up the class and get going with the class of 2030. This is a good sign for both waitlisted and qualified non-selects. Good luck to everyone. Also, enjoy the weekend. Most likely, nothing will happen over these next two days, so rest up for the big week ahead!
 
Where is the evidence for yield being poor? One or two post here and on Reddit doesn’t make for a case. Record high application rates supported by the high water mark birth rate in 2007 would suggest schools can have the pick of the litter.

All the slate winners in our area seem to be cream of the crop and every one I know about accepted.

Reapplication rates may cause this to pour over into next year even as the birth rate dropped after 2007.

An acceptance in any form (direct, PS, FFS, etc) this year would seem to be quite the accomplishment. Hang in there!
 
Where is the evidence for yield being poor? One or two post here and on Reddit doesn’t make for a case. Record high application rates supported by the high water mark birth rate in 2007 would suggest schools can have the pick of the litter.

All the slate winners in our area seem to be cream of the crop and every one I know about accepted.

Reapplication rates may cause this to pour over into next year even as the birth rate dropped after 2007.

An acceptance in any form (direct, PS, FFS, etc) this year would seem to be quite the accomplishment. Hang in there!
People that I personally know who have witnessed these things. Not just on Reddit, but testimonies confirmed by three separate people point to the same conclusion. Absolutely! Not everybody declined. That said, I’m tired of pretending that this is a normal year because admissions haven’t come out about it. They won’t. They’re dealing with some civilian faculty members who are coming out against the Academy. They already have a lot on their plate. Why would they publicly admit that the yield is low? Wouldn’t that draw more attention to the Academy in a negative way? Possibly increasing concerns and lowering confidence in USAFA since they couldn't recruit to the same capacity as previous years? If you take the time to examine the full picture, outside of this forum, it’s clear why this yield isn’t strong. There are just too many factors pointing to the same conclusion.
 
The waitlist was for people who almost won their congressman’s/senator’s slate, but the person who was offered an appointment didn’t immediately accept. As in, it’s not necessarily merit-based on a national level like it is for USNA. It was merit-based for your region/district. So, the qualified non-selects and the waitlist will most likely have their appointments charged to the national pool or some other source if admissions can find a vacancy. Remember, USAFA is no longer constrained to slates after May 1st. Their objective is to now fill the rest of the class.

A lot of statements being made here as fact that seem highly speculative unless you are on the actual admissions team.

Not everyone will have read your prior posts and know you are a current C/O 2029 candidate rather than someone with authority on the subject.

You are making well-informed guesses, so be sure to qualify your answers (you have done so at times to your credit).

I think you are reading far too much into outside sources as "evidence" of a low yield and the impact of any professors on the admissions team, reasons for delays, and the mechanics of the waitlist etc.

As I pointed out previously, this year's forum appointment list has fewer declines than the previous year. If there were a massive rate in declines, it would likely be reflected there even though it is only a sample of the overall picture. I don't think they are as short on their class as you surmise.

But, yes there is still hope and best of luck to all still waiting.
 
Waitlist appointments have been a trickle. Keep in mind applications have already been evaluated so the work is done. It’s a matter of plug and play.

We are over two weeks out from the declination deadline.
 
A lot of statements being made here as fact that seem highly speculative unless you are on the actual admissions team.

Not everyone will have read your prior posts and know you are a current C/O 2029 candidate rather than someone with authority on the subject.

You are making well-informed guesses, so be sure to qualify your answers (you have done so at times to your credit).

I think you are reading far too much into outside sources as "evidence" of a low yield and the impact of any professors on the admissions team, reasons for delays, and the mechanics of the waitlist etc.

As I pointed out previously, this year's forum appointment list has fewer declines than the previous year. If there were a massive rate in declines, it would likely be reflected there even though it is only a sample of the overall picture. I don't think they are as short on their class as you surmise.

But, yes there is still hope and best of luck to all still waiting.
To be fair, I’ve never seen a school have to send a letter to candidates assuring their education will not be taken away. I’ve heard some stuff from appointee tours but who know what will happen!
 
A lot of statements being made here as fact that seem highly speculative unless you are on the actual admissions team.

Not everyone will have read your prior posts and know you are a current C/O 2029 candidate rather than someone with authority on the subject.

You are making well-informed guesses, so be sure to qualify your answers (you have done so at times to your credit).

I think you are reading far too much into outside sources as "evidence" of a low yield and the impact of any professors on the admissions team, etc.
That's great, but I know there is still hope. You can wait all you want for admissions to give you hard facts. Looking through this thread, you'll see the reasoning behind my speculation. If you are really going to tell me that all those things are negligible, fine. However, you are saying this is a typical year because admissions haven't said anything otherwise. Some of these things that I've found weren't speculation. Also, please explain to me why admissions would delay the waitlist deadline. Why would the deadline be shorter? Why were the candidate kits for the class of 2030 delayed? Why are falcons saying the appointee event was underwhelming, with 25% saying they would commit? Why would another appointee confirm the same thing?

Examine the current climate of the Academy and the world right now. How can one confidently say that, after all the changes with the leadership at USAFA and the new administration in office, everything would be normal? I know some current cadets are coming out about how much the Academy has changed for the worse. Do you not think people hear these kinds of things? Again, I'm sure many people have accepted, but I disagree that it's at the same level as previous years.
 
I'm choosing hope, especially if there are things around that point to it. And if we don’t get anything, what did we lose by hoping? It doesn’t take an Einstein to observe the environment and listen to people say they declined their appointment because the Academy wasn’t the place they once loved. When have you heard that within the last few years? People are declining for AFROTC, with one saying it’s because they want a secure education. The superintendent wrote a letter to appointees, assuring them that accreditation wouldn’t be lost and that they should dismiss rumors about the Academy. That’s a little odd, don’t you think? What must’ve triggered the superintendent to take time out of his day to write a letter to appointees? Possibly a lot of ghosting or declined appointments? Sure, they aren’t “evidence” enough, but how can you disregard the signs because they didn’t come from USAFA admissions? I’ll leave you with this: Do you always check the weather on the news or your phone before leaving the house? If not, that goes to show that you don’t always rely on official sources to make your decisions or have certain beliefs.
 
Just chill, dude. :)

I know you're nervous. Just don't want people reading more into these things than needed (which is the reason the letter had to be sent to begin with).

Nobody is saying not to hope. Wish you the best of luck!
Thank you. I really appreciate it. I guess it’s just unpredictable right now. You are right. At the end of the day, they are not official facts. I just hope that the things I’ve found mean something. I apologize if I came off rude. That wasn’t my intention. I was just passionate about how things have been going and the possibility of something unique coming out of this admissions cycle. I still have hope for others and myself. Lord willing, something good will come soon.
 
We are just south of you in 8th district, Cincinnati and I have 2 DS who are just finishing up C3C year (last final today) and a DS who was an exchange student there years ago so if you have any questions feel free to DM me.
what squadron? Chicken Hawks here. Soon to be C2C
 
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