Cadet candidate allegedly targeted by racism found responsible for act

jeffinCharlotte said:
He needs to come out and condemn the hoax also correct. I am not upset with the General but I think he needs to address the hoax like he did the supposed hate crime. That should not be tolerated either correct?
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I personally disagree, but will stop Monday-morning quarterbacking this one now. The cadets know that this was a hoax and that the CC responsible for this act has been subsequently separated from the Prep School.
 
Wasn't the perpetrator already in serious trouble... and in danger of separation? Perhaps this act was designed to deflect attention, and/or smear the reputation of the school?

If so, was he even punished for this act?
 
Wishful said:
As I recall the general stated racism will not be tolerated at this institution. The act was not a hoax, it was a hate crime. A racist act perpetrated by an individual even against his own group is still a racist act; a crime for which he could've been arrested. No apology needed, silence to let the news move on is the way to go...which seems to be the general's plan.
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I respectfully disagree with the General's plan then. If it was a big media event originally when he made his speech on the issue then he needs to close it out with the media and speak out against cadets making false claims-by the way I thought his speech was a great speech! Just be consistent.
 
FMHS-79 said:
jeffinCharlotte said:
He needs to come out and condemn the hoax also correct. I am not upset with the General but I think he needs to address the hoax like he did the supposed hate crime. That should not be tolerated either correct?
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I personally disagree, but will stop Monday-morning quarterbacking this one now. The cadets know that this was a hoax and that the CC responsible for this act has been subsequently separated from the Prep School.
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I agree with you but the only thing that makes this one different is that it made world news! The President, VP, Sec of defense and all of DC were talking about it. 99% of cases get handled a certain way and by a certain protocol. But this one made the rounds everywhere. They were even calling on the General to replace Trump as president:)
 
I feel for the prep cadets who were targeted, which by extension are probably all of the minority cadets. I can only imagine their feelings which I am assuming to be that we were victimized twice. If I were their boss, I don't know what I would say to them but it would be along the lines of "The administration of your Academy is on your side...we want you here & we want you to succeed...is there anything we could do in that regard?" & that conversation would be held in private.
 
Wishful said:
As I recall the general stated racism will not be tolerated at this institution. The act was not a hoax, it was a hate crime. A racist act perpetrated by an individual even against his own group is still a racist act; a crime for which he could've been arrested. No apology needed, silence to let the news move on is the way to go...which seems to be the general's plan.
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It wasn't a hate crime, towards his own group, but a hoax and a hate crime against white cadets who bore the brunt of the blame for this. It was a coverup by the cadet to deflect other trouble the cadet was in. What bugs me most is all the media hoopla, orchestrated by the USAFA itself, BEFORE investigation. Now where is all the media headlines? The correct story is out there, but buried.

He should be dismissed, but with everything else happening lately (Bergdahl, Spenser Rapone), you never know.
 
When I listened to the speech by the General, I heard him state many times about having respect toward everyone, he included Race, Gender, Religion, and just plain respect toward their fellow man/woman.

What this cadet did showed an utter lack of respect, which is what the General was speaking about. Does it matter that it turned out to be directed toward someone of his same race and gender, at the end of the day it was still a lack of respect.

What would the General be apologizing for, his speech covered exactly what happened. The AF released the findings of the investigation and it has been widely reported.
 
Foxtrot said:
He should be dismissed, but with everything else happening lately (Bergdahl, Spenser Rapone), you never know.
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The student in question has been dismissed, Spencer Rapone is still an ongoing investigation, now Bergdahl....I agree with you on that one.
 
Foxtrot: The victims of this crime are the cadets whose whiteboards were written on, initially. I agree with you that the perpetrator's stated motive was to deflect attention away from trouble he was in. The media hoopla orchestrated by the USAFA itself before the investigation was concluded was a conscious decision made by the general to make a forceful speech condemning the crime. Having the cadets record it ensured that his message would be out on social media. It appeared to me that his speech addressing the hate crime became the highlighted part of media reporting (a positive) over the crime itself, (a negative).
 
Wishful said:
As I recall the general stated racism will not be tolerated at this institution. The act was not a hoax, it was a hate crime. A racist act perpetrated by an individual even against his own group is still a racist act; a crime for which he could've been arrested. No apology needed, silence to let the news move on is the way to go...which seems to be the general's plan.
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You are being disingenuous, I highly doubt the speech was about about a person being racist to oneself (which I consider impossible) although you can argue that any racists remarks to other African Americans was racial in nature even though the person was faking it. Personally nothing of this had to do with racism. It was one person faking a racial attack and then using it to defend himself against other things he did wrong. Lying about being a murderer doesnt make you a murderer and lying about racism doesnt make it racism. It is many other things but it wasnt a racism.
 
FMHS-79 said:
My DS did not feel berated... he saw it as a clear message that USAFA will foster a climate of dignity and respect for all and that racism has no place at the Academy. The manner in which the message was delivered was much more impactful to the cadets than the plethora of other messages that they receive from USAFA on an ongoing basis.

I was not there, but agree with Wishful that (IMHO) there is nothing to apologize for.
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Talk about snowflakes. The Commandant called out no person or group specifically, but rather stated the policy and ethos of the Academy and the military. I know that SA cadets and parents have very high opinions of themselves and their children, but they are still adolescents. If they need to be re-taught how to make a bed, they can damn well be reminded that they are aspiring to be a part of the most diverse military in the world. They aren't in Bedford Stuyvesant or Belzoni, MS anymore.

Wait till they end up commanding soldiers whose first trip more than 100 miles from home was to basic training.

The only apology--and it should be more than an apology--should come from the lying Preppie. Until he/she does, to the entire school, his/her family, and to those who vocally stand against racism, He/she should carry the shame around like a millstone.

Suggestion: If a Cadet or Preppie makes an accusation of of a hate crime, send them to the police to make a sworn statement. At least then they would be criminally liable if found to be lying. Otherwise, there is no price to pay, particularly if the person is an athlete. Separation is a small price. It's high school for goodness sakes.
 
Maplerock said:
Wasn't that pending even before the racial framing?
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The Gazette indicated "Several sources say the cadet candidate, who hasn't been identified, committed the act in a bizarre bid to get out of trouble he faced at the school for other misconduct.", but I doubt if there will be a validation of the nature of these prior troubles by official sources (which is as it should be).
 
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