Can Anyone Gauge My Chances/How Competitive Am I?

kpgirl22 said:
You look competitive to me! We share a lot of the same characteristics/qualities as far as academics, athletic involvement, etc... I got an LOA a while back (from a different state), but they'd have to be crazy not to offer you an LOA or appointment! Good luck!
If you can snag an overnight, I 110% recommend. I had mine several years ago (I'm a recruited athlete so I went as an underclassman and stayed with some girls from the team), and it totally sealed the deal for me. I was younger then but the impressions that I got while I was there never left my mind. Here I am a few years later!
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Although I live in North Carolina, do you think an admissions visit would be worth it at this stage of the process? Right now I am trying to decide if I should take three days off of school to schedule a visit.
 
christian14223 said:
kpgirl22 said:
You look competitive to me! We share a lot of the same characteristics/qualities as far as academics, athletic involvement, etc... I got an LOA a while back (from a different state), but they'd have to be crazy not to offer you an LOA or appointment! Good luck!
If you can snag an overnight, I 110% recommend. I had mine several years ago (I'm a recruited athlete so I went as an underclassman and stayed with some girls from the team), and it totally sealed the deal for me. I was younger then but the impressions that I got while I was there never left my mind. Here I am a few years later!
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Although I live in North Carolina, do you think an admissions visit would be worth it at this stage of the process? Right now I am trying to decide if I should take three days off of school to schedule a visit.
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It certainly wouldn't hurt, and it will also allow you to get a sense of the environment of the school and what the daily schedule is as a Plebe. When I did my overnight last year, the visit allowed me to come to the conclusion that this is where I wanted. So I would tell you if you are able to miss those days of school then come and visit but if you are not able to then don't feel bad since I know a good number of people here whose first time on campus was Day 0. Good Luck!
 
USMMA2021 said:
christian14223 said:
kpgirl22 said:
You look competitive to me! We share a lot of the same characteristics/qualities as far as academics, athletic involvement, etc... I got an LOA a while back (from a different state), but they'd have to be crazy not to offer you an LOA or appointment! Good luck!
If you can snag an overnight, I 110% recommend. I had mine several years ago (I'm a recruited athlete so I went as an underclassman and stayed with some girls from the team), and it totally sealed the deal for me. I was younger then but the impressions that I got while I was there never left my mind. Here I am a few years later!
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Although I live in North Carolina, do you think an admissions visit would be worth it at this stage of the process? Right now I am trying to decide if I should take three days off of school to schedule a visit.
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It certainly wouldn't hurt, and it will also allow you to get a sense of the environment of the school and what the daily schedule is as a Plebe. When I did my overnight last year, the visit allowed me to come to the conclusion that this is where I wanted. So I would tell you if you are able to miss those days of school then come and visit but if you are not able to then don't feel bad since I know a good number of people here whose first time on campus was Day 0. Good Luck!
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Is it also worth noting that I now have 4 nominations? Does that help me in any sort of way?
 
@christian14223 Honestly, I wouldn't necessarily know. All the academies look for is one minimum, once you have one you're done, regardless of who it's from. Personally, I don't think it does, but that's just my opinion. I have a friend who got 2 or 3 to USMMA, and once I received mine he was sorta just like, "Oh congrats! I'm waiting to see if I got mine from Senator ABC, it would be cool if I did." Granted, neither one of us know 100% what we're talking about, but that's how my experience played out.
 
MMA19kid said:
It doesn't matter what the average is at USMMA. The CFA is pass fail at our school. I think he passed from what he posted.
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So I am glad to see this, my DS did really well on everything except the run. He was just getting over a really bad cold and was very congested during the run and had a 7.something on the run. His normal time is around 5:48-6:00. He retook the CFA for AFA and ran a 6:12. He was going to have his JROTC instructor submit to USMMA, but I sounds like as long as he passed the first time he should be good and shouldn't have to resubmit the new CFA?
 
FCH76 said:
MMA19kid said:
It doesn't matter what the average is at USMMA. The CFA is pass fail at our school. I think he passed from what he posted.
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So I am glad to see this, my DS did really well on everything except the run. He was just getting over a really bad cold and was very congested during the run and had a 7.something on the run. His normal time is around 5:48-6:00. He retook the CFA for AFA and ran a 6:12. He was going to have his JROTC instructor submit to USMMA, but I sounds like as long as he passed the first time he should be good and shouldn't have to resubmit the new CFA?
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Does DS portal show a 'Pass' for CFA? I don't believe you can submit additional CFAs unless asked to retake, BUT I could be incorrect. Anyone else have a more definitive answer?
 
14223 and fch76: If you have pass on your cfa, that is all that is needed. As indicated above, usmma is a pass/fail on the cfa. It is not "graded" as it is at the DOD schools. The only thing I have ever heard is that you don't get extra points for maxing the cfa at usmma.

I am out of touch with the sat/act scores, so I cant help you there.

with regards nominations, the more you get the more paper you have to put on your wall. But, while they do each have slates for the DOD schools, they do not have their individual slates for usmma. One or four, same thing, nomination is checked and the admissions committee moves on to the next question. They do not look at your candidacy separate times for each nominating authority.

state allotments: Yes, there are state allotments. No, they do not all get filled. No they do not limit the numbers of appointments to the number of allotments. They are used to try to get the state diversity though. So, there is a state "competition". all of the nominated applicants from the state are put in a big barrel, the barrel is tossed over and over and the top (insert state allotment number here) are offered appointments. If all of the state's allotment is used up in this round of offers, and there exists other qualified applicants, those other qualified applicants go into a bigger barrel; the national pool. If there are less appointments given than the allotment for that state calls for, those spaces are offered to top applicants pulled from the bigger barrel of the national pool. What happens if applicants who were offered appointments during the round when state allotments were given decline the appointment? does admissions go back to the state barrel, or the national barrel. They do not return to the state barrel. They come out of the national pool.


Do you have to wait to get an appointment until after the first offers are declined? No. usmma, as do all of the academies, have it down to a science. They know how many offers will be declined, how many will fail dodmerb, etc. So, by the time April comes around, usmma will probably have 350 or so offers out there. Some will require an April (or maybe even earlier) response, and others will require a May response. If, however, usmma has its full class set, and then, one or two drops occur, a late appointment is possible. What is a late appointment--there have been appointments made a day or two before indoc begins. There was at least one in the class of 2021. Great guy, but he encountered some medical issues which set him back during indoc.
 
golfindad said:
state allotments: Yes, there are state allotments. No, they do not all get filled. No they do not limit the numbers of appointments to the number of allotments. They are used to try to get the state diversity though. So, there is a state "competition". all of the nominated applicants from the state are put in a big barrel, the barrel is tossed over and over and the top (insert state allotment number here) are offered appointments. If all of the state's allotment is used up in this round of offers, and there exists other qualified applicants, those other qualified applicants go into a bigger barrel; the national pool. If there are less appointments given than the allotment for that state calls for, those spaces are offered to top applicants pulled from the bigger barrel of the national pool. What happens if applicants who were offered appointments during the round when state allotments were given decline the appointment? does admissions go back to the state barrel, or the national barrel. They do not return to the state barrel. They come out of the national pool.
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Best description of the USMMA allotment and appointment process ever! Thanks :)
 
FCH76 said:
MMA19kid said:
It doesn't matter what the average is at USMMA. The CFA is pass fail at our school. I think he passed from what he posted.
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So I am glad to see this, my DS did really well on everything except the run. He was just getting over a really bad cold and was very congested during the run and had a 7.something on the run. His normal time is around 5:48-6:00. He retook the CFA for AFA and ran a 6:12. He was going to have his JROTC instructor submit to USMMA, but I sounds like as long as he passed the first time he should be good and shouldn't have to resubmit the new CFA?
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Nobody actually cares how fast he can run his mile in. It has zero bearing on his ability to attend and graduate from the school. Admissions' main goal is to find people who can, and hopefully will eventually graduate. The reason we have a CFA, is to ensure that he can post "Good" on the NROTC PFA/BCA which we take twice a year and is required for commissioning.
 
golfindad said:
state allotments: Yes, there are state allotments. No, they do not all get filled. No they do not limit the numbers of appointments to the number of allotments. They are used to try to get the state diversity though. So, there is a state "competition". all of the nominated applicants from the state are put in a big barrel, the barrel is tossed over and over and the top (insert state allotment number here) are offered appointments. If all of the state's allotment is used up in this round of offers, and there exists other qualified applicants, those other qualified applicants go into a bigger barrel; the national pool. If there are less appointments given than the allotment for that state calls for, those spaces are offered to top applicants pulled from the bigger barrel of the national pool. What happens if applicants who were offered appointments during the round when state allotments were given decline the appointment? does admissions go back to the state barrel, or the national barrel. They do not return to the state barrel. They come out of the national pool.
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I know I've seen a post where someone posted the number of allotments per state and cannot find it despite searching. Does anyone have that link or that information? Thank you in advance...
 
Distribution of Seats Available for Congressional
Nomination to the United States Merchant Marine Academy,
by State
State Seats State Seats State Seats
Alabama 4 Kentucky 2 Ohio 8
Alaska 1 Louisiana 4 Oklahoma 2
American Samoa 1 Maine 2 Oregon 3
Arizona 3 Maryland 5 Pennsylvania 10
Arkansas 2 Massachusetts 5 Puerto Rico 1
California 19 Michigan 7 Rhode Island 2
Colorado 4 Minnesota 3 South Carolina 4
Connecticut 4 Mississippi 3 South Dakota 1
Delaware 1 Missouri 3 Tennessee 4
District of Columbia 4 Montana 2 Texas 13
Florida 10 Nebraska 2 Utah 2
Georgia 5 Nevada 2 Vermont 1
Guam 1 New Mexico 2 U.S. Virgin Islands 1
Hawaii 2 New Jersey 6 Virginia 5
Idaho 2 New York 15 Washington 5
Illinois 9 New Hampshire 2 West Virginia 2
Indiana 3 North Carolina 6 Wisconsin 4
Iowa 4 North Dakota 1 Wyoming 1
Kansas 3
 
joriebelle said:
Distribution of Seats Available for Congressional
Nomination to the United States Merchant Marine Academy,
by State
State Seats State Seats State Seats
Alabama 4 Kentucky 2 Ohio 8
Alaska 1 Louisiana 4 Oklahoma 2
American Samoa 1 Maine 2 Oregon 3
Arizona 3 Maryland 5 Pennsylvania 10
Arkansas 2 Massachusetts 5 Puerto Rico 1
California 19 Michigan 7 Rhode Island 2
Colorado 4 Minnesota 3 South Carolina 4
Connecticut 4 Mississippi 3 South Dakota 1
Delaware 1 Missouri 3 Tennessee 4
District of Columbia 4 Montana 2 Texas 13
Florida 10 Nebraska 2 Utah 2
Georgia 5 Nevada 2 Vermont 1
Guam 1 New Mexico 2 U.S. Virgin Islands 1
Hawaii 2 New Jersey 6 Virginia 5
Idaho 2 New York 15 Washington 5
Illinois 9 New Hampshire 2 West Virginia 2
Indiana 3 North Carolina 6 Wisconsin 4
Iowa 4 North Dakota 1 Wyoming 1
Kansas 3
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Thanks, @joriebelle !
 
ok i will admit to being new to the forum world. My DS has a nom to usma and usmma. He has his apps done but i am confused on what and how to define academically qualified.
 
horsecountry said:
ok i will admit to being new to the forum world. My DS has a nom to usma and usmma. He has his apps done but i am confused on what and how to define academically qualified.
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Aacademically qualified means different things for different academies. Each has minimum GPA and test scores listed on its website. If your DS exceeds those minimums, then he is deemed academically qualified to be considered for an appointment to that academy. Congratulations on the nominations and good luck.
 
He seems pretty rounded compared to some posts i have seen. He has lettered in FB 2 years (1st team academic all state team and 2nd team ILB) , baseball 3 years (academic all district and 1st team). SB sec junior year. Beta club (honor society) vp senior year. Did well on cfa (6.12 mile, 14 pull ups/ 8.1 s/run/ 75 push ups and maxed out on situps (if memory serves).
 
horsecountry said:
I really appreciate the feedback. He has a 3.82ish gpa and about 28 comp on act. 17 out of 164 in his class.
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At USMMA, admissions uses class ranking over GPAs. His ACT is kind of low, definitely below average, and he isn't even in the top 10% of his class. Unless he's a diversity/athletic target, I wouldn't hold my breath for USMMA, much less West Point, should probably have a solid back up plan.
 
The class rank thing is so subjective though. His class is probably the most competitive one we have had in a long time. class prior he would be #7-- class after he would be #10. His class he is 17. His class size as a soph was 192. With early graduations etc it has dropped to 164. Which entering college he is in the top 10% but not considered top 10% for graduation. from what i read -usmma =ACT averages are 23 verbal and 28 math and USMA = Mean ACT scores were 29 English, 29 Math, 28 SciReas, and 30 Read. but yeah i agree on the back up plan. He has already been accepted in the Engineering school for Texas A&M and UNT so solid backup plans.
 
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