Can People List their qualifications that got them into the Acadamey?

OK....Our son was denied, so here are his stats and maybe you can see where he was weak.

CFA....was above the mean. I will have to dig it out of the file, but he did well.

Class rank: Top 5% private school does not give number ranking.
GPA 4.15 on grading scale of 93-100=A
ACT: 36 english and writing, 35 science 34 over all

AP Scholar award winner: 4 and 5 on 4 tests taking 4 more in may
33 honors and AP classes in high school was accepted into University of DAyton as Junior and took college coarse....4.0

Acitvities: Retreat leader for school, asked to be inspirational speaker. Leader of other leaders, elected by peers.
Lettered in x country as freshman, Jv baseball as freshman, Moved schools: Then did marching band and lettered, brass ensembles.

Eagle scout with palms, and order of the arrow

Junior engineer team won two years in a row and just ranked 6th in nation
NHS
community service through school and scouts...tons
Honors all 4 years
superiors state science fair,perfect 40 score and ton of awards

Had lead in school play and was student director for school musical

Was a student director at High adveture camp for scouts...taught classes and led hikes.

was a lifeguard with a save. I am sure little girl's parents are forever grateful, I know I am grateful he was on duty.

Father grad and still active duty....didn't help.
 
USAFA84; The ONLY thing I can see that might even be considered weak, and that's pushing it, would be a lack of high school varsity sports. (High school usually 10-12th grade). But again; that's pushing it.

As to why he didn't get accepted; I assume he was put in for a Presidential nomination because of his father. Unfortunately, they can only use 100 presidential nominations. So, assuming 100 others were chosen ahead of him, he would have needed another nomination; e.g. representative/senator. Did he receive such a nomination? Possibly/Probably simply too many candidates/applicants from your district/state and they just couldn't get that many slots. It's always difficult to see and explain why an individual doesn't receive an appointment.

On a positive note, I hope he considers re-applying for the academy in June. The academy looks VERY HIGHLY on individuals who Re-Apply. They see the determination. So do the congressmen/senators. best of luck to your son. later... mike....
 
Christcorp:

Thanks for your words of wisdom. It has been a trying year. Husband has been gone for a year and I got to handle the let down. Son had three nominations. I know it was because of the essay he wrote and the interview. Husband and I were surprised because we thought for sure he wouldn't get a nomination from state because he had personally never lived there and had to interview by phone because he had the lead in play and couldn't fly out. It was a dream he held on to for so many years but he is already moving on. He knows God has a plan and has shown him a different path. His teachers are thrilled he is going to Notre Dame (full ride) but I can't help but feel bad for him. My daughter is right behind him and plans on applying. I have mixed feelings about it. She wants to be areonautical engineer and will apply for summer sem next year. She has a GPA of 4.33. I wonder what reasons they will have for her? I personally want her to get in by merit and not because she fills a female slot. However, Daughter like my son, will have to move this year and start a new school in her Junior year.
 
Everyone knows I'm the "Eternal Optimist". I always try and look at the bright side of things and find the positive. But there are two comments you made that the "Question BEGS to be asked". The first one was:

I know it was because of the essay he wrote and the interview.

Please tell me how you know this is the reason he was turned down. If you do know; because of something his ALO told him, that would be very valuable information for future applicants. If it's just a "Feeling" you have, that's understandable. I'm just curious if you do in fact know that the essay and interview is what prevented him from getting the appointment. Normally, rejection from an appointment is mainly speculation. Many of us, especially those who didn't get accepted, will speculate and try and narrow down why a person didn't get accepted. Your information could be a very valuable contribution.

Also; you said, concerning your daughter:

She has a GPA of 4.33. I wonder what reasons they will have for her?

Can I safely say that this is simply a comment made by disappointment? With 21 years of direct military involvement and another 10 years of indirect military/academy involvement, I can't really think of any conspiracy where certain applicants are summarily just rejected. Not if they are qualified. Obviously, the 2.8 gpa; 24act; etc... student might be; but not those who are qualified. If you believe you have reasons why your daughter might be rejected, that too could be valuable information. Yes, there are some applicants that might have a slight edge because of athletics or something similar, but that's usually in the positive direction. Not the rejection direction.

For all those who are reading this and are curious; I know that rejections are very difficult. Sometimes more on the parents than our children. Even with all the "Success" that my son and daughter have had, they have had their share of disappointments. Some very recently. And, as the eternal optimist, I have to believe that good comes from it. E.g. Other opportunities, builds character, teaches the person to persevere, etc... But we all go through it.

I've followed every single applicant that has consistently visited this forum. I am ecstatic for those who received appointments; and heart broken for those that were turned down. Most of those that did not receive the appointment, like your son, are fortunate to have so many exceptional options. Some like your son are going to Notre Dame. How exciting!!!! Of the class of 2013 applicants; here, other forums, and personally; I know of 8 individuals who are going to some very prestigious schools. You son is one of them. I also know some who were rejected from the academy who have been accepted and will be attending; Stanford; Brown; Princeton; UT Austin; and George Washington University; just to name a few.

So how in the world can someone be accepted to such prestigious schools and NOT get accepted to the Air Force Academy??? The truth is, of 10,000 applicants; 6500 are qualified. Of the 6500, 2800 are extremely qualified. Of the 1300-1400 who walk over the bridge on "I" day, and the 1300-1400 who don't; there is very little difference between them. Yes, there are some at the top of that 1400 list of appointees that were part of the "No Brainers" club. They received appointments and LOA's in October/November. They were going to get an appointment no matter what happened. They were in the top 2% of all applicants. But of the vast majority, there is very little difference between number 1000 and number 2800. Not that some weren't that good. On the contrary; ALL OF THEM WERE GOOD. But the truth is, you can't bring in 2800 applicants. Senators, representatives, president, vice president, ROTC, Medal of honor, prior enlistment, and ALL NOMINATIONS only get so many that they can nominate and only so many that can be appointed. That's the hard part of this. It's not that deserving people were denied and undeserving people were appointed. The undeserving would never have made it to the 2800 highly qualified. But only 1300-1400 can be appointed.

Some representatives and senators have 10 people that they want to give a nomination to. Some only have 2-3. Some have 30-40 but they can only give 10. Each MOC can only have 5 against their slot currently at the academy at any one time. That's basically 1 guarantee a year. "Hence why you hear about people trying to get that "PRINCIPLE NOMINATION" slot. That's the #1 slot and pretty much a guarantee. Same with all the other nominations and slots. There's only so many available and usually a lot more applying than slots.

So my recommendation for all those applying/re-applying is: Get your application done IMMEDIATELY. Get it completed 100% BEFORE July 30th. DON'T compete with others; make THEM COMPETE with YOU. Have the academy see your name immediately. Make them want to offer you an LOA. Then you get a slot as long as you get a nomination. Doesn't matter if you are #1 or #10. I know the feeling of disappointment. So does my son. No one is alone on this forum. We're a forum so we can help each other. USAFA84; if your daughter truly wants the academy, please encourage her to kick butt and do it quickly. You've been through this with your son. You know what is required. e.g. teachers, transcripts, medical, cfa, etc... She can have this all lined up prior to finishing her junior year of high school. This way, teachers and everyone else are lined up ahead of time. She can be 100% with the application by the end of July. As with everyone else here, please ask if there is anything I can do to help. There's a lot of people here who want to help. Just ask. Best of luck and congrats again to your son and Notre Dame. later.... mike....
 
christcorp:

Sorry, I should type more clearer. He got nominations based on his essay and interview. He didn't get appt based on sports and they discounted marching band. Application was finished in July, he went to summer sem. He is not bitter. He is of strong faith and firmly believes there is a plan. He still has not stopped working to be the best. I seem to be more worn than he is.

As far as military experience.....blue runs through my veins. My father served Air Force for over thirty years, and it looks like hubbie is on the same path. Grandfather was LT in army aircorp and fought in WWII. Ancestors are traced to serving this fine country to the Revolutionary War. We are a true MILITARY FAMILY.
 
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USAFA84 If your daughter gets an appointment it will be because she earned that appointment. My daughter is a cadet in '11 and one of the smallest cadets at the academy. She is not there because of anything other then her own hard work. The only way she will remain there is through her own hard work. Some things are easier because of her size and many are harder. It has always bothered me when I her anyone use sex or race and declare that si why "That Cadet" is here.
 
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I think it's important to add and emphasize that your daughter and every other person at USAFA didn't fill a particular "slot" (ie. "female slot"). There are no "quotas" for any particular race, color, gender, or any other similar classification.
 
7) As for your faith, that's good. I too have a strong Christian faith (READ my screen name, it might let you know which way I lean). But please don't think it's all up to God. It isn't. He allows us freedom of choice. As such, if you truly trust him, and he doesn't want you to do this, then the desire will leave you. If you trust him and your desire is still strong, then he is allowing you to do it. But YOU have to do the work. He's not going to take you test, cfa, nomination interviews, etc... for you. And if you don't get in, you can't blame him or say it wasn't his will. Don't get me wrong; I love god. But you're not his robot. You control your future. He simply allows it or not; and he speaks to your soul in the hopes you'll make the right decisions. But he won't make the decision for you.


thought you'd find this really neat cc-
fall of junior year when i was still unsure about USAFA and the military and all, i prayed about it a lot. Literally within a week or 2 out of no where (God of course) i had this huge desire for going and couldn't imagine doing anything else. your comment really hit home. I know i was born to do this, as corny as it sounds. it makes me that much more excited for June 25
 
btown13; the greatest feeling at the academy; through all the B.S. and tough times you will encounter; is the feeling you have when you know you are there because you really want it. Because you know you're SUPPOSE to be there. The feeling you have that makes you look forward to the challenges because you know that what you want is worth it. Unfortunately; just like every school, job, etc... in life, not everyone is there because it's their first choice and what they've wanted their whole life. For some, it's the education. For others, it's a way out from where they came from. And the hardest thing is when you think and talk about going to the academy for years, and you either don't get accepted or it's not what you thought it would be.

Life can be very confusing at times. Do we ever really know what god's will is? Hardly!!! When we pray, how many times do we have a "Back-up Plan" or something else lined up in case God doesn't make his will known? Not much faith. But that's OK. It doesn't have to be complicated. Simply listen to your heart, soul, and gut. Remember; there's a lot of people who have the same feelings and emotions that you do, but they may not be a person of faith. How can one person have a set of feelings, desires, and passions and attributed to god, yet another person have the same passions, desires, and feelings and not believe in god? Definitely can be confusing. Personally; I believe that those who have a faith and allow that faith into their hearts/souls; and those who don't have a faith; live pretty much the same exact life. They'll both have good times, bad times, illness, death of loved ones, financial problems, test anxiety, and every other experience in life. The difference is; when the bad times come, the person with a faith, has someone/thing there to share the emotions with. Someone/thing to help them through it. Whether it's god or a figment of one's imagination, that's where faith comes in.

I'm glad you have the passion. I'm glad the passion feels right for you. That is very important. Whether it's god confirming it or something else; it's important to know that you are doing what you are doing for the right reasons. And remember; even with god, he simply gives your heart/soul his opinion. You got into the academy. You did the work. He simply allows it. And trust me; God has ALLOWED me to make a lot of BAD CHOICES in my life. But, I learned from them and I got back on my feet and continued on. You are in total control now, at the academy, as an officer, etc... God is simply there to give you his opinion on what is right or wrong. Which way you choose is your will, not his. later.. Mike.... P.S. Sorry for taking this thread on a tangent. mike.....
 
I agree with Christ corp. Do not be afraid to point out what you believe, It was by the grace of god that we have this wonderful country and the fact that we have freedom of religion and speech. Now at first my plans were to go to Arizona State University for college, become a college history professor. But if it wasn't by the grace of god, putting this wonderful recruiter in my life this early in my high school career, I would not at all ever think about military. I understand that god has a purpose for everybody, but it just so happened's that I was not suppose to go to ASU, and maybe even become a history professor. The cards are coming my way, My qualifications match up, My SAT and ACT scores will be good due to the amount of studying. My nomination from the congressman will be pretty simple, because he contacted my school upset that no one in 20years had even tried to apply for an academy. So I have an open door there. But it is all about god, and what his plan is for you.
 
This thing has turned really religious. lol.

PS- "God" is capitalized, out of respect or whatever.
 
Don't worry. I spoke with him. He said he forgives me if I don't capitalize his name. I have his number if you'd like to talk to him. Later.... Mike......
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Ok I would like some help? I have contacted a C. Master Sargent. He also knows a Major, this guy will get me in contact with my ALO. I am going to be given a free tour of the base. The Ch. Master Sargent is also best friends with my congressman, the guy who I have to get a nomination from. Now I am a sophomore in High school. I have already contacted my congressman. Alo, and the Air Force academy for per-junior registration and contact info. I need to take my SATs and my ACT which i will be taking next year. I want to get some help with what all I need to do, I understand that I am totally a head and cannot do anything till the middle of my junior year which is fine. But I want to be ready and be assured that I will have my stuff completed so I can possibly receive an early meeting for possible acceptance, please I think I am a little too excited but I am eager and everything. I might be the first one to join the Academy from about 20 years ago at my school. So I really want this to happen.
 
Well, if you've met with your ALO, they can give you a list of all the things you will need to do. Even an unofficial list from the application. But as far as preparing goes, the things you can do are:

1. Take the most advanced (Hardest) curriculum in your school. E.g. IB program, AP classes, Honors Classes, etc...
2. Be involved with varsity sports and letter in them.
3. Have the ALO give you the criteria for the CFA. (Physical fitness test). PRACTICE it a lot and do well in it.
4. Volunteer your time to activities.
5. Be involved in leadership positions like class office, Boy's state, captain of sports teams, boy scouts, CAP, etc...
6. Mid way through junior year, apply to Summer Seminar.
7. Stay in close contact with your teachers. They will need to give you a recommendation.
8. When you get the application procedures from your ALO, work out a schedule. Your goal should be to complete the entire application; including a medical physical, the CFA, teacher's recommendations, and all portions you need filled out in LESS THAN 45 days. I.e. You want to be 100% complete before the end of July. (Summer prior to start of Senior Year)
9. Keep your GPA and class ranking as high as possible. Yes, you will read and see some in these forums who were #1 in their class rankings. I know 5 individuals who visit these forums who were all #1 in their class. Not saying you have to be, but the higher you are; thus a higher gpa; the better chance you have.
10. And make your goal for SAT/ACT to be 2000 SAT (combined) and 30 ACT. Higher is better, but make that your goal. Take it as many times as you can. And take BOTH.

Best of luck to you. Mike.....
 
Well thanks mike, Here are my qualifications as of my sophomore year.
4.2 GPA on a (4.3 scale, on a 4.0 I have a 3.98). I am #5 in my class, top 5%, I have 350 hours of community service. I am attending police youth week, and next year boys state. I am in Spanish Club and Y.E.T. Club. Here are the classes that i am taking. Advanced History, Advanced English, Spanish II, Algebra II, Biology, Band, and P.E. I am a varsity letterman in wrestling as well as Football. I am in the band, and I have lettered in that. Junior year, I am taking AP Euro, Advanced Math, Chemistry, Advanced English, Spanish III, Band, and P.E., Senior year, I am taking AP U.S., AP English, AP Chemistry, Precalc, Spanish IIII, Band, and P.E. Math is not going to be AP, I messed that up for myself (not because of grade, but because of taking Algebra I in 9th grade).
 
Sounds like you're on the right path. Kick butt on the SAT/ACT, CFA, and take care of the application as soon as possible. Just do your best. That's all that can be asked.
 
The only thing worse than seeing a SA Forum thread with the world "Academy" spelled incorrectly would be using the same incorrect spelling in your application essay.

"Why I want to go to the US Air Force Academey" will not help you.

I would recommend checking and re-checking all of your spelling, punctuation, and grammar usage when you submit your essays.

Yes, it IS a big deal.

It's known as "attention to detail."

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Lol, I just realized the title is misspelled. I heard someone say that for most words people simply read the first and last letter, and fill in the space in between to create a word that fits in the context.
 
The only thing worse than seeing a SA Forum thread with the world "Academy" spelled incorrectly would be using the same incorrect spelling in your application essay.

hahah!!!! its funny you make a post trying to stress importance of grammar and spelling....and you say the "world" Academy! lol! :thumb:
 
hahah!!!! its funny you make a post trying to stress importance of grammar and spelling....and you say the "world" Academy! lol! :thumb:

Of course!

Every "grammar/spelling police" post MUST have it's own spelling/grammar error, it ALWAYS happens!

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