Carrying the Load - USMA Casualties

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http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130821/NEWS/308210022

West Point combat casualties are high in post-9/11 era | Army Times | armytimes.com

West Point graduates have accounted for a higher percentage of U.S. military combat deaths in the post-9/11 war on terrorism than in all but one major American conflict since the academy’s founding in 1802.

As of Monday, 5,293 American troops have been killed in action in operations Iraqi Freedom, New Dawn and Enduring Freedom, according to Defense Department data. Ninety-four casualties, about 1.8 percent, have been former cadets, an academy spokeswoman said.

“There is an old saying that one death is a tragedy, but thousands are just a statistic,” said retired Army Lt. Col. Conrad Crane, chief of historical services and support at the Army Heritage and Educational Center. “In the war on terror and operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, where casualties are relatively low, each death is a tragedy felt by the whole unit.”

The cadet-death ratio in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts is nearly seven times greater than in the War of 1812, in which 0.3 percent of the total combat deaths were West Point grads; 42 times greater than among Union forces during the Civil War; nearly 11 times greater than in World War II; nearly four times greater than during the Korean War; more than three times greater than in the Vietnam War; and nearly three times greater than during the Persian Gulf War, where the percentage was 0.7 percent. That data is from the Naval History and Heritage Command.

The only major conflict on the other side of the ledger is the Mexican War, which ended in 1848 after claiming former cadets at a proportional rate 56 percent higher than during the war on terrorism.

“Those other wars were fought by mass armies with many officers who were citizen-soldiers, not military professionals,” said USMA history professor Dr. Clifford Rogers in an email. “So the West Point presence was more ‘diluted.’ ”

Other historians credit a decreasing ROTC presence within the officer corps for the rising percentage of combat casualties represented by former cadets.

“West Point is just a larger portion of the officer corps than it’s been in the course of the 20th Century,” said West Point history professor Dr. Samuel Watson. “The gap between the growth in Officer Candidate School and decline of ROTC has been felt by West Pointers. Anything else would be coincidental.”

Fully 80 percent of male USMA graduates, who become second lieutenants upon graduation, must go into combat arms, Watson added. Candidate school and ROTC graduates, on the other hand, may choose either infantry or another career path within the Army.

The war on terrorism has been characterized by counterinsurgency, a warfare tactic that has put more pressure on junior officers in general, Crane said.

“COIN is a small-unit fight — not big units,” said Crane, who graduated from West Point in 1974. “Whether you win or lose depends on how much risk the junior leaders and people at the point of spear are willing to take.”

Col. Robert Cassidy, a professor at the Naval War College, has deployed several times to Iraq and Afghanistan, most recently a year in Afghanistan that ended in June 2011.

To combat the widespread insurgency in Iraq, junior officers were dispersed among the indigenous population and patrolled streets and highways, where insurgents commonly strike, Cassidy said.

“Junior officer and noncommissioned officer leaders at the company level and below operate in dispersed positions and smaller units, so it may be because more of them are subject to IEDs and ambushes,” Cassidy said of the rising cadet-death proportion.

Crane, a former history professor at West Point, has lost three former students in the war on terrorism.

“Every cadet must understand that it’s a possible outcome of that career choice,” Crane said. “It should reinforce the respect people have for people who make that choice.”
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somehow the article reminds of "the Corps" . . .

The Corps, The Corps, The Corps

The Corps bareheaded, salute it
With eyes up thanking our God
That we of the corps are treading
Where they of the corps have trod

They are here in ghostly assemblage
The men of the corps long dead
And our hearts are standing attention
While we wait for their passing tread

We sons of today, we salute you
You sons of an earlier day
We follow close order behind you
Where you have pointed the way

The long grey line of us stretches
Through the years of a century told
And the last man feels to his marrow
The grip of your far off hold

Grip hands with us now, though we see not
Grip hands with us strengthen our hearts
As the long line stiffens and straightens
With the thrill that your presence imparts

Grip hands, though it be from the shadows
While we swear as you did of yore
Or living or dying to honor
The Corps, and The Corps, and The Corps
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See MacArthur's Farewell Address at West Point. The Corps. The Corps, The Corps. I think he said it all. What it means to be an Officer and any member of the military. Duty, Honor, Country.
 
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As the parent of a new cadet I often wondered about this kind of data. As a result I have one observation and a question.

If 94 WP cadets have perished in action since 9/11 and about 12,000 cadets have graduated since that time, then that means about 1% of the cadet population was lost. While every loss is large, the 1% is lower then I would have guessed. Does my math makes sense in general, or is the risk greater than I have estimated?

I also wonder if there are stats on the number of seriously wounded WP cadets during that time?
 
Whatisnext2017 said:
As the parent of a new cadet I often wondered about this kind of data. As a result I have one observation and a question.

If 94 WP cadets have perished in action since 9/11 and about 12,000 cadets have graduated since that time, then that means about 1% of the cadet population was lost. While every loss is large, the 1% is lower then I would have guessed. Does my math makes sense in general, or is the risk greater than I have estimated?

I also wonder if there are stats on the number of seriously wounded WP cadets during that time?
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My point of view. You just have to leave it in the hands of God or Fate. You cant dwell on those things. I have seen young men and women who went the civilian route destroy or lose their lives through drugs, alcohol and accidents. Many others are lost trying to do anything in a troubled economy. You should also not ever even think about the politics of the wars. These fine young men and women ae following a dream of service. The deployed soldiers fight for each other. They take care of each other. It is an honoroble pursuit. You pray, hope and remember that all of them are our heroes.

You cant control them or situations but we can support them.

Good Luck
 
NorwichDad said:
My point of view. You just have to leave it in the hands of God or Fate. You cant dwell on those things. I have seen young men and women who went the civilian route destroy or lose their lives through drugs, alcohol and accidents. Many others are lost trying to do anything in a troubled economy. You should also not ever even think about the politics of the wars. These fine young men and women ae following a dream of service. The deployed soldiers fight for each other. They take care of each other. It is an honoroble pursuit. You pray, hope and remember that all of them are our heroes.

You cant control them or situations but we can support them.

Good Luck
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I am prett sure my class lost more to non war related death. Officer wise, I am also pretty sure more junior company grades were KIA.

God or fate matters more.
 
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NorwichDad said:
My point of view. You just have to leave it in the hands of God or Fate. You cant dwell on those things. I have seen young men and women who went the civilian route destroy or lose their lives through drugs, alcohol and accidents. Many others are lost trying to do anything in a troubled economy. You should also not ever even think about the politics of the wars. These fine young men and women ae following a dream of service. The deployed soldiers fight for each other. They take care of each other. It is an honoroble pursuit. You pray, hope and remember that all of them are our heroes.

You cant control them or situations but we can support them.

Good Luck
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I would hope the citizenry pays close attention to the politics of the wars. Oversight and an educated voting public is important to our system of government.
That said, as the individual soldier goes, doing the job and taking care of the people around you is definitely the focus.
 
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