CHANCE ME! College Re-Applicant, Low GPA, Heavy ECs, Jail time, Built Businesses, list goes on.

I would consider myself a great leader. I was captain of 4 varsity sport teams, led a drumline, very active in the youth of my church, organized people to build 3 businesses with over 20 employees. Besides my criminal record, the only bad part of my application would be my gpa. My criminal record is going to affect me greatly. The academy counselor told me that they have accepted many people with criminal records worse than mine. It goes through a moral evaluation committee. My morals are above average.
 
Again I have to say I do not think you could even enlist. Yes they have a "moral evaluation committee". And it sounds like they have evaluated the morals you have demonstrated, even if that is "not who you are". When compared to the +4.0, 1600 SAT, built an artificial baby lung in my basement, varsity team captain, eagle scouts you are up against it is not practical think you competitive as a candidate for admission.
All kidding aside you might want to look into the French Foreign Legion if you want to serve in the military, but even there you would not be an officer.
 
Apply and see what happens, sometimes bad things happen to good people, maybe you were at the wrong place wrong time? Do the best you can and apply! Best wishes and don't be discouraged!
 
AMCarbonaro said:
Besides my crime insidence, what do you find wronv with my application? Am i that screwed up for you to call the academies flawed?

Remember I did recieve a nomination in my first year of college and that was during my crime incident. I spend countless hours progressing myself daily.

My grades are not up to par and my crime issue is an issue. Besides those, which are major, my character is definitely up to par with candidates.

Highschool students go to school and write very generic "i love usa" essays and provide no value because they have no real world experience. Do you think my real world experience can be a benefactor? And by real world experience i mean building actual businesses.
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With all due respect, your criminal record is a reflection of your character. That is why the academies look at criminal records, and why employers do, and why fathers of girlfriends hope their daughter isn't dating a criminal. And you not only committed multiple serious crimes, and were convicted, but it also appears you were given a break with probation, and then wasted that opportunity leading to your probation violation for possession of marijuana. And you were convicted of MIP. That is three separate criminal offenses. Not exactly an isolated incident of poor judgement, but rather a pattern of criminal conduct. Moreover, you categorized your act as, "ending up in jail for 8 months due to me wandering upstairs in a frat house party". The article describing your conduct makes clear that this wasn't the case at all, and that there was far more to it that what you concede. Thus, honesty is still an issue.

You have also, for some reason, jumped from one college to another. If I was on an admission panel that would raise a question mark.

Character is one of the key hallmarks at West Point. Army officers need to be honest, selfless, and trustworthy. The Honor Code is something that Cadets VALUE. And therefore, the Academy selects candidates who they believe have the type of character that they wont need to explain why character is so important. Indeed, many of the best Cadets chose West Point because they wanted to attend a school where the other students share those same values. I know with my son that was very important.

That criminal record will follow you for the rest of your life, and while you may feel that is unfair, because in your mind you may have changed, the reality is that you have only yourself to blame for your conduct, and the record you have. It will likely effect your job prospects, and many other things, including your application to West Point. I hate to sound too callous, but I would be disappointed in USMA if they admitted anyone with your record.

Keep in mind; 15-20,000 candidates apply each year, and a very high percentage of those will have great grades (higher than yours by a long shot), excellent ACT/SAT scores, great athletics and leadership resumes, solid CFA scores, tremendous teacher evaluations, and good interviews. And almost all of them wont have your criminal history. Put yourself in the shoes of the admissions people.

Sorry, but this ain't a close call.
 
AJC said:
When compared to the +4.0, 1600 SAT, built an artificial baby lung in my basement, varsity team captain, eagle scouts you are up against it is not practical think you competitive as a candidate for admission.
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4.0 gpa
1600 sat
Varsity captain
Eagle scout
Baby lung


-3.0 gpa
-31 act
4 ap classes
-4X varsity captain- cross country, track, indoor track, swimming.
-Jazz band, symphonic band, concert band, marching band(drum line leader), managed a music studio(honors program)
-executive student council treasurer
-student council (university of michigan)
-formula SAE (university of michigan)
-2 clubs & church- over 500 hours of community service
- built and operates 3 companies that generate over $100k anually EACH
-built a car from ground up, runs half marathons monthly, teaches youth at church, volunteers for Rep. Debbie Dingell
-received a nomination in 2013
-criminal record

How do you see this not comparable? Think realistic. I was talking to a naval officer who had a 2.4 highschool gpa and a 3.2 college gpa and they are now a senior at the academy. My BGO told me the academy focuses on who is unique and well rounded. Someone who has a 4.0gpa, 2400 sat and captain of sports team will not get in over someone who has a 3.7gpa, 2100 sat but organized and ran a local charity not related to his school. Everyone is a captain, everyone is a scout, everyone is in clubs, but not everyone can leave their highschool and be fearless in the real world. Do you know how many times i spent countless hours raising capital for failed businesses? Over 40 times since i graduated highschool. I finally made out on 3 growing practical businesses. Ive heard of someone raising 10k for a child with cancer and they were praised and put on a pedestal, and Im over here like "hello! I do that 30 times over each year!" and no one says a thing...
 
+1 to Judge Brovol

Anthony, I think your main hurdle is the honor and integrity. You claim that the whole thing happened when you were "unconscious".....but when you're passed out you can't exactly break into homes and cars and steal stuff. You had the world in your palm with a nomination and you blew it spectacularly.

As others have told you, there are thousands of other kids West Point can pick from that don't have your baggage. You don't even want to stay in this country but move to Romania....have you looked into joining the military there?

You're a smart kid, and hopefully done with knucklehead choices. I wish you all the best in your future.
 
brovol said:
With all due respect, your criminal record is a reflection of your character. That is why the academies look at criminal records, and why employers do, and why fathers of girlfriends hope their daughter isn't dating a criminal. And you not only committed multiple serious crimes, and were convicted, but it also appears you were given a break with probation, and then wasted that opportunity leading to your probation violation for possession of marijuana. And you were convicted of MIP. That is three separate criminal offenses. Not exactly an isolated incident of poor judgement, but rather a pattern of criminal conduct. Moreover, you categorized your act as, "ending up in jail for 8 months due to me wandering upstairs in a frat house party". The article describing your conduct makes clear that this wasn't the case at all, and that there was far more to it that what you concede. Thus, honesty is still an issue.

You have also, for some reason, jumped from one college to another. If I was on an admission panel that would raise a question mark.
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I decided to keep the truth to myself because I do not know you and prefer to keep my sensitive info to myself. If you want to look my name up, go ahead, but respect the fact that i am not too open about my criminal record. All i want you to do is give an input of how the academy handles criminal records. The story online is overstatement by a long shot. I pleaded guilty to prevent worse charges. If i fought it in court i would have ended up 50k in the hole and would have been found guilty by a jury because being unconcious and committing a crime is still a guilty charge in michigan. Other states i would have been found innocent because i was unconscious, blacked out, dont recall a thing.

Im sure your child has been to a friends house and drank there. The police showed up because my friend hit a baseball into their neighbors window. The marijuana was in my car but not mine but a passenger. I did not know it was there, and i was charged because it was in my car. Is this honest enough for you? Does this make my character look better because i choose to share verry sensitive information with you? What is your name again?

I changed schools because i switched my major. The third school is when i go to spring and summer classes, cheaper price and they transfer.
 
4.0 gpa :thumb:
1600 sat :thumb:
Varsity captain :thumb:
Eagle scout :thumb:
Baby lung :thumb:


-3.0 gpa :thumb:
-31 act :thumb:
4 ap classes :thumb:
-4X varsity captain- cross country, track, indoor track, swimming. :thumb:
-Jazz band, symphonic band, concert band, marching band(drum line leader), managed a music studio(honors program) :thumb:
-executive student council treasurer :thumb:
-student council (university of michigan) :thumb:
-formula SAE (university of michigan) :thumb:
-2 clubs & church- over 500 hours of community service :thumb:
- built and operates 3 companies that generate over $100k anually EACH :thumb:
-built a car from ground up, runs half marathons monthly, teaches youth at church, volunteers for Rep. Debbie Dingell :thumb:
-received a nomination in 2013 :thumb:
-criminal record :thumb:


Yes, ... :thumb: your 'Portfolio' is diversified :thumb:

:wave: ....Best of Luck ! :wave:
 
brovol said:
That criminal record will follow you for the rest of your life, and while you may feel that is unfair, because in your mind you may have changed, the reality is that you have only yourself to blame for your conduct, and the record you have. It will likely effect your job prospects, and many other things, including your application to West Point. I hate to sound too callous, but I would be disappointed in USMA if they admitted anyone with your record.

Keep in mind; 15-20,000 candidates apply each year, and a very high percentage of those will have great grades (higher than yours by a long shot), excellent ACT/SAT scores, great athletics and leadership resumes, solid CFA scores, tremendous teacher evaluations, and good interviews. And almost all of them wont have your criminal history. Put yourself in the shoes of the admissions people.

Sorry, but this ain't a close call.
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I take full responsibility for my actions. Unfair, sure but the real world is not fair. My record is expunged, only the government can see my criminal record, including SA. By job wise, i create businesses that provide people with services and value, i dont see myself working for someone. Actually last year an old airforce academy graduate who finished his years of service asked me for a job working in the back office of one of my businesses.
 
EOD/SEALmom said:
+1 to Judge Brovol

Anthony, I think your main hurdle is the honor and integrity. You claim that the whole thing happened when you were "unconscious".....but when you're passed out you can't exactly break into homes and cars and steal stuff. You had the world in your palm with a nomination and you blew it spectacularly.

As others have told you, there are thousands of other kids West Point can pick from that don't have your baggage. You don't even want to stay in this country but move to Romania....have you looked into joining the military there?

You're a smart kid, and hopefully done with knucklehead choices. I wish you all the best in your future.
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Thanks!

I was not passed out, my mind was "detached"(lawyer terms). Its the classic "what happen last night??" incident. I drank to much, still opperated, but was not concious. Like sleep walking, kind of. I do want to stay in this country, I was adopted from romania.
 
AMCarbonaro said:
I decided to keep the truth to myself because I do not know you and prefer to keep my sensitive info to myself. If you want to look my name up, go ahead, but respect the fact that i am not too open about my criminal record. All i want you to do is give an input of how the academy handles criminal records. The story online is overstatement by a long shot. I pleaded guilty to prevent worse charges. If i fought it in court i would have ended up 50k in the hole and would have been found guilty by a jury because being unconcious and committing a crime is still a guilty charge in michigan. Other states i would have been found innocent because i was unconscious, blacked out, dont recall a thing.

Im sure your child has been to a friends house and drank there. The police showed up because my friend hit a baseball into their neighbors window. The marijuana was in my car but not mine but a passenger. I did not know it was there, and i was charged because it was in my car. Is this honest enough for you? Does this make my character look better because i choose to share verry sensitive information with you? What is your name again?

I changed schools because i switched my major. The third school is when i go to spring and summer classes, cheaper price and they transfer.
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In ANY state, being "unconscious" (which you were NOT) and "blacked out" is not an excuse. You would have been found guilty anywhere. Every day drunk drivers are convicted, even though they were blacked out.

You came here asking if you were competitive, and received a resounding NO from this forum.

If you want to apply, we cannot stop you, but do not be surprised if you do not receive an appointment.

Stop trying to downplay what you did and change people's opinions. This isn't an argument. If you want to prove them wrong you will have to do it by receiving an appointment to USMA.
 
AMCarbonaro said:
I take full responsibility for my actions. Unfair, sure but the real world is not fair. My record is expunged, only the government can see my criminal record, including SA. By job wise, i create businesses that provide people with services and value, i dont see myself working for someone. Actually last year an old airforce academy graduate who finished his years of service asked me for a job working in the back office of one of my businesses.
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If it's the case that you don't see yourself working for someone, how would you handle life in the military? Where you will always have someone above you, giving orders.
 
mike6 said:
In ANY state, being "unconscious" (which you were NOT) and "blacked out" is not an excuse. You would have been found guilty anywhere. Every day drunk drivers are convicted, even though they were blacked out.

You came here asking if you were competitive, and received a resounding NO from this forum.

If you want to apply, we cannot stop you, but do not be surprised if you do not receive an appointment.

Stop trying to downplay what you did and change people's opinions. This isn't an argument. If you want to prove them wrong you will have to do it by receiving an appointment to USMA.
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Actually... The term "mens rea" is a legal term that describes that a person must be conscious and not unconscious to be found guilty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
I was unconscious, but no way to prove it, so it would have been hard to fight in court against a jury.

Were you there with me that night to truly decide if i was unconcious? Or are you only assuming? Youre assuming.

Thanks for the encouragement. I only want to prove myself. I dont want to argue, i want people to give a true opinion. But people are confusing what i said and blowing me up about my criminal record. I understand it is bad. But what about EVERYTHING ELSE?!
 
When they went to talk to him, Carbonaro ran away, Eberts (Detective) said. Police were called and Carbonaro was found breaking into a nearby vehicle, he said.

Another home invasion report from the 200 block of Summit Street came in while police were on scene. The residents of that home said they confronted a man who matched Carbonaro’s description. He was brought to the home and the residents were able to identify him, Eberts said.

Eberts said Carbonaro also broke into a room at a house in the 200 block of North Normal Street where a party was being held. Carbonaro allegedly had several items stolen from that residence on him at the time of his arrest

Now to be completely fair;
Eberts said the incident appeared to be unusual for Carbonaro.

“He has no criminal history until now,” Eberts said.

So;
By all means if you feel strongly about applying, apply. Please keep the forum posted as to your progress.
I would be interested to see if you could obtain the required nomination.
 
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