Chance of Admission

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by PlaneBoy2023, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. PlaneBoy2023

    PlaneBoy2023 New Member

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    Hello
    Before I start I’d just want to say that I’m sorry if I accidentally put this in the wrong thread. I’m new to this site.


    I’ve seen a fair amount of folks on here sharing their stats and accepting feedback, so I thought I’d do the same.

    I’m just wondering what are y’all opinions on what I have so far:

    - GPA: 3.49 unweighted
    - SAT: 1260, 660 Reading, 600 Math (Math is what I’m most worried about)
    - Eagle Scout
    - NHS member
    - Previous Spanish club member
    - AFJROTC
    - 129 service hours as of now
    - Working on a horse ranch
    - Attended USNA summer seminar
    - Brother attends Westpoint, father was an officer in the army
    - Been in three different high schools (one being in Puerto Rico) and countless other schools before HS
    - Class rank is around 125/333 unfortunately, but they understand that it has greatly fluctuated due to my various high schools

    CFA Scores:
    BBall throw: 54 (Also worried about this)
    Shuttle Run: 7.1
    Pull Ups: 11
    Push ups: 64
    Sit ups: 80
    Mile: 6:39

    I have taken many honors courses and 1 AP class during junior year and I am currently taking 3 as a senior, with the rest being honors classes.
    One of the APs is Calculus, with another being Literature, both I believe are fairly good to have on record.
    Due to my frequent moves from being in a military family, I never got a chance to receive/earn a varsity letter or serve as a team captain (The closest I got was playing varsity ice hockey as an assistant captain last year, but we moved halfway through the season) Or to get elected into a leadership position of some sort. I was always simply the new kid. But the way I see it, that’s also a good thing, in their eyes.

    Sports I’ve taken part in:
    - Cross-country
    - Track
    - Football
    - Ice hockey
    - Planning to play lacrosse this spring, hopefully varsity but most likely not, as I’ve never played before.

    Have 2 LoR, one from a retired officer in the army.

    This is only a very quick summery of the resume that I submitted to USAFA, which contains many more minor awards and achievements, but still fairly important. (Such as LoR from my previous state Rep, etc.) Everything here that is fairly abnormal I made sure to notify the admissions staff of its background, such as the lack of varsity letters and such.

    I’ll take any and all feedback. Thanks!
     
  2. FMHS-79

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    What you will see if you look at the other "chance me" postings is that since none of us can see your entire file, have a full, current understanding of the WCS scoring criteria, or a view into the competition of your nomination sources; then we can't give you an accurate assessment regarding your chance of appointment.

    I would suggest that you take a look at the profiles of prior admitted classes (e.g. http://www.neoafapa.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/2021_-_Demographic_Profiles.224160126.pdf) and make your own assessment of how you stack up.

    IMHO, I would be personally concerned that the class rank is low, the SAT scores are below the mean for the c/o 2021, and there is a lack of documented leadership experience. I would also not count on your LoRs nor brother's attendance at West Point giving you much of an edge.

    Thank you for your willingness to serve. Good luck, but make sure you have a good Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D in place.
     
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  3. Jeepstuff19

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    Hello, the one major thing im going to recommend you to work on is your SAT score specifically your math like you mentioned, considering everything below a 600 on a math is disqualifying low levels. Also your whole SAT score should be around 1400 to be considered competitive, perhaps even higher. That was the only thing that struck out to me for you to really improve on, im not sure what the recommended b-ball throw is, so I can't tell you anything about that.
     
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  4. PlaneBoy2023

    PlaneBoy2023 New Member

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    Oh sorry. My bad if these types of posts are frowned upon haha.

    Anyways I’ll do my best from here on out. My evaluator said I had a decent shot, all things considered, but you never know. There’s many little things that would take forever to completely add into here, but so far things are looking “ok.”

    Thanks for your help!
     
  5. MidCakePa

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    @PlaneBoy2023, you’ve received good perspective from @FMHS-79. Like him, I appreciate your desire to lead and serve. There’s clearly a strong military tradition in your family, so you know well that USAFA is only one path to being commissioned.

    At this point, don’t worry about your application because what’s done is done. Now, if by chance you still haven’t submitted your essays or done your interview, you have an opportunity to highlight your leadership acumen and dedication to service. The point is not to rationalize (e.g. three high schools) but to show how you’ve overcome obstacles to succeed (e.g. three high schools). Moving often, tough as it is, breeds certain personal aspects that are highly valued in the military. Use your essays and interview to spotlight those positives.

    So yes, work on Plan B, C, D.... USAFA or otherwise, you can earn those butter bars. Go to!
     
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  6. PlaneBoy2023

    PlaneBoy2023 New Member

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    @MidCakePa Thank you for the reply! USAFA asked to see my school profiles from my other two schools, so hopefully that means they wish to see more, and they see that I’ve had a particularly rough high school career, that they themselves can relate to, with moving around and what not. I’d assume if I wasn’t very competitive, they wouldn’t even bother asking.

    Just wondering, how much would being in a military family, moving every few years, etc etc, help my chances? I understand academics is 50% of getting admitted, but every little bit helps. Right now I’d say that having that experience is good, but maintaining a decent gpa and achieving various prestigious awards and sticking with clubs and sports as best as I can along with this experience is even better. I know they’ll undoubtedly realize this, but I just hope it’s all worth it in the long run.

    Unfortunately I have already completed my entire application, so the interview and essays are submitted. I did however emphasize the aspects that you stated, and my evaluator even mentioned he was going to recommend me to the admissions board. The AF is also looking for pilots, so my interest in becoming one should ultimately count towards admissions, is what he said. Nevertheless I believe I have a good enough shot, at least for the Prep School (Which I will GLADLY take).
     
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  7. jeffinCharlotte

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    Question. Not to get off topic but I was just looking at the demographic link you posted and couldn't help but notice the extreme difference of USAFA vs all other academies when it came to children of past academy attendees. Why is that stat so skewed in favor of the USAFA. Do kids of USAFA parents really attend at a much higher rate than say the USNA like this pdf file states?
     
  8. FMHS-79

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    Sorry, I can not provide an informed answer to that question (and prefer not to speculate). I have no reason to double the numbers listed in the profiles but without more data points (e.g. number of children of past graduates that applied to each academy), it is difficult to gauge if being a child of a graduate significantly increases the probability of appointment.
     
  9. jeffinCharlotte

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    No problem was just curious. Children of Alumni USAFA 65 USNA 3. That is a crazy stat. Take care.
     
  10. Stealth_81

    Stealth_81 Super Moderator 10-Year Member Founding Member

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    Well, since this is a USAFA class profile I would expect most of the legacy kids are going to have Air Force parents.

    If you take a look at the USNA 2021 class profile you’ll see 71 children of USNA grads.
    https://www.usna.edu/NewsCenter/2017/07/class-of-2021-statistics.php
    They don’t have alumni stats for the other Academies but my guess is it’s similar to the USAFA difference.

    Stealth_81
     
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  11. FutureMarine07

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    OP, just assume you won't make it and do everything you can to change that. Good luck.
     
  12. fencersmother

    fencersmother 10-Year Member Founding Member

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    Your SAT scores need work; try the ACT, and retake SAT.

    Your multi-highschools can go into your "overcoming adversity" essay. It is indeed hard to stick with a sport or EC when one attends 3 or more (or even 2, sometimes just one!) high school.