Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Exar Ganis, Nov 30, 2007.
My h always says it is because he "chose wisely" (indiana jones movie)LOL
Wow. Now there's an expression I've not heard in a while!
Appropriate in this case, too.
That is the hardest I've laughed in a long, long time... thank you Exar Ganis, you've brightened my day.
Edit: I didn't realize your dad is a senior officer. Here's a tip... my dad's a senior O-6 in the USCG, but I sure as hell don't ever assume or assert that I "know what goes on behind closed doors within the senior ranks of the Coast Guard," because unless you're there, you don't. Does daddy know that honesty means nothing to you, however trivial it may be?
You know nothing about what my father does. Look up General Maples, and maybe you will know what I mean.
OK and as you have stated before that Dad is a 1 star to be, not a 3 star.
You are also missing the point. At anytime in your father's career have you ever sat in on a meeting? You should be answering "NO", thus, you do not have any real life experience dealing with the military except as a dependent.
Okay, how about we lock this thread. But, no I didn't say rank. Maples works with my dad, and I was trying to show you what organization he's involved in. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe his father is a general's aide.
It's generally not a good idea to ride on the success of others.
You guys missed the point when I said that. I was just trying to point out that the military is never run on pure honesty and morals, because the fact of the matter is.. its impossible. Sometimes they have to be bent alittle bit.
No Dad works with Maples...RHIP!
Again, the point that everyone is trying to get you to comprehend, is that you do not work in the military, you are a dependent.
If my h saw my s write that comment(know the inner-workings of the Army), well needless to say, he would not be on the net for a very long time.
Also you do show that you don't understand the military. You broke the cardinal rule...OPSEC, I could easily now go and surf the net and find out who your father is...don't worry it's not worth my effort.
Rules are not bent. I have lived 20 yrs. with my husband and I have yet to see him or anyone else (excepts those court martial) who has bent the rules a little.
I do think my experience as a spouse of 20 years gives a little more credence that it doesn't happen.
You need to stop this point of defense because now you look like you are saying that your father the BG to be and MG Maples bend the rules a little to make it work ---afterall, you have stated that you have 1st hand knowledge
It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. First you come onto a thread trying to pass yourself off as the offspring of a flag officer. Maybe you didn't out and out say it, but I have a feeling you were try to "bend it" in your favor.
The TRUTH is, that it is NOT appropriate to "bend it". You cannot go through a military career picking and choosing when you will be completely forthcoming, and when you will hold back information. That doesn't get much support from the US public (who we work for), and it certainly won't help youi gain ANY trust from your superiors or subordinates.
Frankly having read your posts, at this point I have a feeling I know where you hold your honor (a word I doubt has much meaning to you). Now you may say that I don't KNOW you, and this is true, but at this point I think you might want to find greener pastures.
You're not even in a US Armed forces uniform, whether that be black, blue or green and you're claiming that military officers must be bent. That is not what a service academy is looking for out of applicants, nor is it what I'm looking for, as a tax payer, out of the future officers in the Greatest Military in the world.
No it is NOT appropriate to bend the truth for your own benefit. You are wrong.
My husband had the pleasure of serving with Mike Maples several times over his career -- he is one of the finest officers we have ever known. One of the key points anyone who has ever dealt with him will mention is his honesty and forthrightness -- with Mike you get what you see.
I think EG may have been alluding to the fact that Mike is now the head of the DIA -- perhaps in his mind that insinuates cloak and dagger "spy" action.
Having two sons currently at USMA and having heard about several honor boards over the past 3 1/2 years, I can assure EG that telling a small lie that makes things more convenient will not end well at USMA. No lie is considered trivial, and one often leads to more...
Exar Ganis, honesty is always the best policy, especially in your interviews and your applications to colleges. You will be stronger mentally if you adhere to the honor codes that most colleges require you to sign when you apply. I think the nice folks here are trying to help you in these conversations you are having on this forum. You demonstrate potential. May I suggest a book for you to read: "In Search of Ethics: Conversations with Men and Women of Character" by Len Marrella. It is one of the two books West Point gave to the Class of 2011 before they entered. I think you will enjoy it.
Ok lets go with cloak and dagger because its' intelligence, I might be wrong because H is AF and not intel, but has them in their office. Intel has to be the most honest with facts, otherwise we are bombing and invading on lies.
Also I am not aware of any intel officer that goes undercover. SP's yes for drug and theft busts, but not intel. Intel is to collect data and interpret, so the heirarchy has the most informed decisions.
Finally, other countries may bend the truth and that is where he has seen rules bent, that being said, it is other countries not US.
Yes, honesty is very important. lol, everyone in the DIA must be screened with a lie detector test every few months, and everyone fails the very last question. "Have you ever stolen government property?"
They know they accidentally steal paper and government issued materials all the time, and those that lie, actually do get caught even though it seems so trivial at the very beginning.
Guys, I'm an honest guy. Really, I am. I didn't think declaring an unintended major was that serious since 60 percent of all people usually change their majors anyway.
JUST TELL THE TRUTH, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY IT?
Go back to the start of this thread, it wasn't about lying about your major, that is a different thread.
This thread was about not telling the truth for the ROTC scholarship ---changing account name because you don't want to tell the ROTC committee that you want an academy slot.
For honesty, you just proved that you will bend the truth not once, but at least twice.
My account name was changed. Had I not done that, I would've been surely at the mercy of the PMS. For Christ's sake, the PMS (a USMA grad) told my dad flat out in person that he doesn't like hearing anything about people wanting to attend an academy because they are a waste of time. This isn't on me anymore. My dad and my SAI will kill me if I tell him that I'm aiming for a SA. What more do you want me to do? My dad sent me an order, and that order was to SHUT UP! If anyone here says anything bad about my dad for saying that, I will respond with a pretty nasty response that will get me immediately banned from this board, so whoever would like that, feel free to do so.
No one would ever say anything about your Dad. Yet, there is a question that needs to be answered, why would he kill you for applying to an SA? If he is ok with you going into the military, why not an SA. Also you have stated that you have a pres. nom. To get one Dad had to send the paperwork to get one, thus he knows you are applying.
Oh how tempting that is...
Read the "Honor" thread, I think you're in need of it.
It is absolutely rediculous this has to be covered this much. Some people were not meant for military service, maybe this is just being illustrated.
At the Academy there were three kinds of people, the fly on the wall that didn't get much negative attention and just kind of made it. You kind of wanted to be that guy. There were the average cadets, who would from time to time, need to be corrected and that was normal. I would put myself in that category. Then there were the lightning rods, who attracted all of the negative attention. You don't want to be a lightning rod, but many times it's from your own actions/decisions.
You have become a lightning rod, and you are burning bridges, all with out having any standing in the organizations you wish to join.
I think he's saying his dad didn't want him ruining his chances with ROTC by identifying himself with Service Academy hopefuls. That advice is ill-informed. None of this is new to the ROTC programs or service academies.
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