Cheaper vacation . . . Italy or Hawaii

ProudDad2022

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So, my wife's 50th is coming up and I would like to take her on a trip to either Italy or Hawaii. She has always wanted to go to both. One of my guys here at work migrated here from Italy and says that Italy would actually be a cheaper a trip. Although cost isn't the only criteria, it's a fairly decent sized one. Just curious if any one here has done both trips and which one is the best/cheapest. We are west coasters if that makes a difference. Also, if any of you know me or my wife, please keep this as a secret to her.
 
So, my wife's 50th is coming up and I would like to take her on a trip to either Italy or Hawaii. She has always wanted to go to both. One of my guys here at work migrated here from Italy and says that Italy would actually be a cheaper a trip. Although cost isn't the only criteria, it's a fairly decent sized one. Just curious if any one here has done both trips and which one is the best/cheapest. We are west coasters if that makes a difference. Also, if any of you know me or my wife, please keep this as a secret to her.
Italy is a big place and has some large variations. Naples is not Milan. Where were you thinking of going? Which island in Hawaii?
 
Well, her family is from Sicily so we have to go there. My Italian guy said we should stay at Taormina. As for Hawaii, I have no idea. I've only been there for a Tiger cruise. Landed, went to a restaraunt, then to the USS Carl Vinson. However, my wife says that counts as me going to Hawaii and I owe her a trip. I figure whichever one we don't visit for her 50th, we will visit for our 30th anniversary in 2024. And yes, if you do the math, you will see that we were very young when we got married ;)
 
I’ve been to both a couple of times (and also turn 50 this year 🤔). You could go to different areas of each on different occasions and have very different trips. If I had to pick between the two, I would probably pick Italy every time, just on my preference for what makes a great traveling experience—people, vibe, food, scenery, arts/culture. I’m not sure about traveling expenses at the moment, but I believe Italy’s cost of living is significantly lower than Hawaii.
 
No info on Italy but some cost saving ideas for HA. Just did HA last summer. Oahu. Get lodging early. There is value in VRBOs especially if you are traveling with a family. Hale Koa is great but you're probably too late to make reservations.

If you stay or visit North Shore, near Turtle Bay is a huge collection of food trucks that serve awesome food at great prices.

Also check out happy hours. And if you find a good happy hour get there early as for the best ones other savvy tourists and locals have the same idea.

Sensai Sush near the Honolulu Zoo was some of the most awesome food I'd ever had! Half off Sundays and Mondays.
 
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Been to both several times. She’s Italian heritage and never been? That’s a no-brainer. And to Sicily, if possible. You can DM me if you’d like and I can offer up my knowledge and help (I’m on West Coast, too.) But without a doubt, Italy ALL THE WAY. Her 50th is about celebrating HER. Let HI be about the two of you in 2024. I’m a big fan of Travelzoo. Check out this deal. https://www.jetlinevacations.com/JetlineVacations-deal/JHL103935/Flavors-of-Sicily-Tour.aspx.
 
My son got back from Northern Italy last summer. Stunned at how cheap and good the food is compared to here.
 
Been to both several times. She’s Italian heritage and never been? That’s a no-brainer. And to Sicily, if possible. You can DM me if you’d like and I can offer up my knowledge and help (I’m on West Coast, too.) But without a doubt, Italy ALL THE WAY. Her 50th is about celebrating HER. Let HI be about the two of you in 2024. I’m a big fan of Travelzoo. Check out this deal. https://www.jetlinevacations.com/JetlineVacations-deal/JHL103935/Flavors-of-Sicily-Tour.aspx.
Oh dang...that looks amazing. My wife absolutely loves to cook. Thank you for the reply. I'm going to win the "best husband ever" award. I'll mention you in my acceptance speech lol
 
I would pick Italy by a long margin over Hawaii. Hawaii is soooo "touristy" and expensive. Visiting Italy would give you a wider variety of things to do: swim in the Med, numerous wineries, awesome food, nicer people, numerous historical sites. If you are going to spend the same amount of $$ for either Hawaii or Italy, I would recommend Italy.
 
Just got off the phone with your wife and she says Hawaii. But don't tell her I squealed.
 
For your wife's 5-OH, take her to Bella Italia. I think good deals to Italy can be had particularly if you travel in the shoulder season (off-peak). April-May and September-October are great months to vist. July and August are terribly hot in Sicily. Hit Sicily first. Then the Eternal City, Rome. The dollar looks strong against the Euro. So take advantage of that. Buon Viaggio!

Well, her family is from Sicily so we have to go there. My Italian guy said we should stay at Taormina. ;)
A Sicilian would have recommended Palermo or Agrigento (Valley of the Temples (Greek). Although Taormina is nice. A wife of friend of ours said that if you haven't visited Palermo, you haven't visited Sicily. The connolli in Sicily is to die for.
Just remember when in Sicily, don't refer to the locals as "Italians." They're Sicilians and VERY proud of it!!
This is the truth. Even mainland Italians refer to them as Sicilians. We still exchange Christmas cards with our Sicilian neighbors from long ago.
 
I’ve been to Italy several times and my sister lived in Rome for three years courtesy of the Navy. The food is as good or better than expected, incredible views, all the things. But the petty crime from about Rome south is no joke. I can count on one hand the number of people I know who weren’t robbed of some sort while there. Take little to no jewelry, hide purses/wallets/passports under clothing, never leave anything visible in a car while parked, and be super alert. I’d go back in a heartbeat and you’ll have a blast, just be very aware it can happen in a blink. My sister had a gold necklace yanked off her neck while waiting to cross the steet by a guy on a motorbike. He never even stopped.
 
Either one is a winner. Don't be afraid to put flight time into the equation if you are limited to a week. An 11 hour one-way flight sucks a lot out of a 7 day vacation.
 
I’ve been to Italy several times and my sister lived in Rome for three years courtesy of the Navy. The food is as good or better than expected, incredible views, all the things. But the petty crime from about Rome south is no joke. I can count on one hand the number of people I know who weren’t robbed of some sort while there. Take little to no jewelry, hide purses/wallets/passports under clothing, never leave anything visible in a car while parked, and be super alert. I’d go back in a heartbeat and you’ll have a blast, just be very aware it can happen in a blink. My sister had a gold necklace yanked off her neck while waiting to cross the steet by a guy on a motorbike. He never even stopped.
I travel a bunch all over the world.
When traveling my passport and wallet go in my hotel room safe. I also put something in there as a reminder such as one shoe that I wear on the airplane. “Wait… where’s my other shoe?” I use to wear a rubber sports ring instead of my wedding band, but now wear an Oura ring and my Apple Watch. No other jewelry.
I leave the “Do not disturb” sign up when I go out.

I take my room key, but nothing identifying the room number or hotel. I put my room number in the calculator of my phone. Yeah… I forget which room I’m in.

I carry some cash, my credit card sized passport as an ID, and two credit cards (visa and Amex). No wallet. Don’t take more cash than you think you will really need and are comfortable losing.
Assume anything in a bag will be stolen. If I use a bag it’s for my rain jacket, umbrella, and water. If I have something more valuable such as something I purchased then I don’t put it on my back, but on my front. I try to avoid such purchase until I’m heading back to the hotel.
If you use your phone, guard it. Don’t stand next to a street. Thieves on motor bikes are common- they will grab it out of your hand and speed away. Do NOT use your phone on a train or bus as you approach a stop. I’ve seen people have their phones snatched out of their hands at a train stop and the thief sprints out the doors. Also be careful about putting your phone on a bar. They will put something on top of it and take it.

Also, be VERY careful when putting a password into a phone. The goal of thieves is to either get an unlocked phone or the ability to unlock it so they will try to see you enter a number, If they do get an unlocked phone you are really hosed. An unlocked smart phone is the jackpot for thieves. If this happens you need to find a way to block that phone as quickly as you can, even if it means begging someone to let you use their phone. Once a thief gets into an unlocked phone and changes the passwords you are in deep doo doo.

Don’t be the friendly, helpful American. You’ll get rolled. If someone comes up to me with an offer or such I put one hand up and the other by my pocket. A common set up in Istanbul is for a shoe shine to walk in front of an American looking tourists and drop a shoe brush. As you pick it up and tell them their buddies try to roll you. Again, if people are coming up to you or there is any kind of disturbance make sure you guard your phone and it’s locked.

Try to blend in with your clothing. As you go from the airport to the hotel look at what elope are wearing. I usually wear a plain t-shirt, and either hiking khaki pants or jeans, and hiking shoes. Of course that backfired on me once when I found myself on a subway in Honk Kong with a bunch of people dressed just like me, black t-shirts and jeans. “Man, I’m a trend setter.” At my stop we were met by riot police. It was a bunch of demonstrators.
Shorts have become more common for adult males in some places, but not in the parts of Italy I have visited so I would avoid wearing them.

Finally, be careful of animals. We recently had an employee attacked by a cat in Tel Aviv. The employee had to endure the rabies vaccine protocol.
 
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A Sicilian would have recommended Palermo or Agrigento (Valley of the Temples (Greek). Although Taormina is nice. A wife of friend of ours said that if you haven't visited Palermo, you haven't visited Sicily. The connolli in Sicily is to die for.
1/C cruise included a week or so in Palermo and I liked it a lot. Did some tours which included Taormina which was nice but much more touristy than Palermo. Years later, I stopped back in Sicily for a couple of days on each end of a Reserve jaunt to the sandbox and had a pretty good time as well. I managed to visit the volcano (Mt Etna) both as a mid and as a senior officer and was definitely better behaved on the latter visit. Incriminating pics of my friends and I as 21 yr olds are still in my possession.
Later ports on that trip included Livorno in Northern Italy with tours to Florence and Pisa.
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Rome was a lot of fun when I went with Wife 2.0 on a Business (yes really) trip. This was after I'd gotten a cancer diagnosis but before treatment started and I was determined to have a great visit. Great food and lots to see.
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Went to Venice a few yrs ago when #2 son was in Slovenia and really loved it. Of all the places that we've been in Italy, this is the one that we most want to return to. We had some food that we've never seen in the rest of Italy such as the black sauce pasta which is wonderful
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Needless to say, I recommend Italia.
 
I travel a bunch all over the world.
When traveling my passport and wallet go in my hotel room safe. I also put something in there as a reminder such as one shoe that I wear on the airplane. “Wait… where’s my other shoe?” I use to wear a rubber sports ring instead of my wedding band, but now wear an Oura ring and my Apple Watch. No other jewelry.
I leave the “Do not disturb” sign up when I go out.

I take my room key, but nothing identifying the room number or hotel. I put my room number in the calculator of my phone. Yeah… I forget which room I’m in.

I carry some cash, my credit card sized passport as an ID, and two credit cards (visa and Amex). No wallet. Don’t take more cash than you think you will really need and are comfortable losing.
Assume anything in a bag will be stolen. If I use a bag it’s for my rain jacket, umbrella, and water. If I have something more valuable such as something I purchased then I don’t put it on my back, but on my front. I try to avoid such purchase until I’m heading back to the hotel.
If you use your phone, guard it. Don’t stand next to a street. Thieves on motor bikes are common- they will grab it out of your hand and speed away. Do NOT use your phone on a train or bus as you approach a stop. I’ve seen people have their phones snatched out of their hands at a train stop and the thief sprints out the doors. Also be careful about putting your phone on a bar. They will put something on top of it and take it.

Also, be VERY careful when putting a password into a phone. The goal of thieves is to either get an unlocked phone or the ability to unlock it so they will try to see you enter a number, If they do get an unlocked phone you are really hosed. An unlocked smart phone is the jackpot for thieves. If this happens you need to find a way to block that phone as quickly as you can, even if it means begging someone to let you use their phone. Once a thief gets into an unlocked phone and changes the passwords you are in deep doo doo.

Don’t be the friendly, helpful American. You’ll get rolled. If someone comes up to me with an offer or such I put one hand up and the other by my pocket. A common set up in Istanbul is for a shoe shine to walk in front of an American looking tourists and drop a shoe brush. As you pick it up and tell them their buddies try to roll you. Again, if people are coming up to you or there is any kind of disturbance make sure you guard your phone and it’s locked.

Try to blend in with your clothing. As you go from the airport to the hotel look at what elope are wearing. I usually wear a plain t-shirt, and either hiking khaki pants or jeans, and hiking shoes. Of course that backfired on me once when I found myself on a subway in Honk Kong with a bunch of people dressed just like me, black t-shirts and jeans. “Man, I’m a trend setter.” At my stop we were met by riot police. It was a bunch of demonstrators.
Shorts have become more common for adult males in some places, but not in the parts of Italy I have visited so I would avoid wearing them.

Finally, be careful of animals. We recently had an employee attacked by a cat in Tel Aviv. The employee had to endure the rabies vaccine protocol.
Classic procedures. We always check the DoD advisories and research before we head off on travel adventures. I have “travel jewelry.” Carry just what we will need in terms of wallet items, and in a small RFID sleeve. My travel handbag is one of those designed for travel, with all the great compartments and water bottle slot, but also steel mini cables inside the shoulder strap worn cross-body, with RFID inner zip pocket and mini-locks in all external zippers. Anything to harden the target.

There were certain areas driving in Spain or Italy (the road to the Sevilla airport was one), where motorcycle thieves would come up alongside you in slow traffic, quickly figure out you aren’t locals, smash the windows and reach in for purses, hand luggage, etc. I picked up a friend at the Sevilla airport, made her stow her handbag behind her knees and not her lap, loaded her bag into the trunk, but then covered it with a weighted tarp my landlord recommended. I hopped into the driver’s seat, handed her one of the two wicked hammers I kept in the front console and gave her “the brief.” She was horrified but game. We did have 3 come up beside us and check us out, but I just raised my hammer so they could see it, and they moved on.

I can’t agree enough about not wearing clothes that scream American, such as the golf club you belong to or college alumni shirt. Exception: wear all the USNA swag you want as you run around Ireland and in Dublin at the N-ND game. I wear nice but not eye-catching sports/day clothes, no designer logos anywhere, and am usually taken for a Dane. My Danish grandmother would have loved that.

In all my years living OCONUS and the many trips we have taken for pleasure to various places, plus Navy business trips to some of the known armpits of the world, nothing has ever happened to us, but I attribute that to consistent personal security habits and common sense. We take a lot of things for granted in the U.S., but that has to be adjusted elsewhere.

I loved my 6 years over two different tours in Hawai’i, but also knew you didn’t do certain hikes solo or go to certain areas that were essentially locals only - just like any other place where mostly good but some not so good humans live.

Both destinations have much to offer. I vote Italy, though, just to eat real mozzarella di bufala again.
 
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