Choosing between USNA and NROTC Premed

Do we know how many applied?
The max number allowed for Med Corps and Dental Corps (rare path) seems to be between 13-20 (rough).

From my time on USNA staff, and from observations over the years since from sponsor mids who showed interest and the 5 sponsor mids who actually went that path, it seems the pre-med interest group might start out around 30 or so, and dwindle from there. I used to sit on the selection committee as the Commandant’s Representative.

Why the dwindling:
- They find interests change, with so many great paths out of USNA.
- They realize it is going to be a hard slog and perhaps the juice is not worth the squeeze to meet such a high bar of academic performance, and they may be in their late 30s by the time they finish their active duty service obligation.
- They run into the reality their competitive high school was perhaps not, and that grade inflation was real, and find themselves academically sat, but firmly in the bottom half of the class.
- They get into serious conduct or honor or other trouble and find themselves DQed from applying for post-grad programs right out of USNA.
- They have to get into med school. Some don’t.
- They tanked their selection interview. They couldn’t articulate their why.
They were taken aback when asked about their back-up service assignment plan (hubris overflow).
They had done zip during leave periods or weekends to get to know members in the community serving in the Brigade Medical Unit in Bancroft Hall, where they lived.
They had no idea what enlisted medical personnel did or what qualifications they often achieved - and how important they are to military medicine afloat and ashore. Thinking of you, @Devil Doc
They had no idea the Navy had USNS COMFORT and USNS MERCY, hospital ships that deployed with military medical personnel in combat support and humanitarian missions around the world.
They didn’t shadow a military doc, volunteer at the ER, see a bad motor vehicle accident or gunshot wound trauma victim come into an ER and know if they could be around that, etc.
The Brigade Senior Medical Officer (usually a Captain, and often a USNA grad) would drill them hard about motivation, understanding and commitment to military medicine.
- They still have to select a back-up path, even if accepted to the Med Corps path, but may later decide they want to go operational in the fleet first and think about med school later via other paths described above.

In the years I was on the committee, I think we interviewed annually about 20-25 mids for 13-16 slots. The final group was always stellar in academics, well-respected by peers, subordinates and leadership, with pristine conduct, honor and performance records. Strong MCATs. Masters of time management - I recall one was track team captain, one was captain of cheer team, one was captain of rugby team, one was head of Team Bill (the live Bill goats that go to games), several had high-level “striper” roles 1/C year. They were eye-wateringly outstanding performers. Years later, I ran into several of them in military hospitals - ortho surgeon, cardio-thoracic surgeon, pulmonologist, dermatologist specializing in combat injuries, Mohs surgeon who had gotten his Mohs fellowship at Johns Hopkins, etc. We reminisced about their USNA journey; they all remembered the interview. It was a pleasure to see them.
 
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I was one that had goals for med corps and abandoned the idea after 2/c summer school. USNA doesn't have a premed track so most choose the chemistry major. That major is notoriously difficult and since it doesn't meet the full premed requirement, 1 or 2 classes in the summer are necessary.

That being said - I just didn't have the academic talent and discipline (Time Management Journeyman vice Master) to balance keeping the GPA where it needed to be and maintaining the mental health and relationships that I truly wanted in my heart.

Despite making the conscious decision to close that door in my life, it was definitely for the best as it turns out that I made a pretty decent Naval Aviator and good enough husband to keep the girl that I met in an Annapolis bar after Plebe year. I still use my medical knowledge and terminology daily as she has been a nurse over our decades of marriage.

For the OP: Ask your DD if they will be okay intentionally closing a door WITHOUT REGRET to pursue a more proven method to med school?
 
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@NeverSayNever
Outstanding “been there” advice, BZ. And if you had 100% wanted to be a doctor at some point in your life, and still had the itch, you would have figured out how to do it. A USNA sub officer company officer of mine went to his home state flagship uni med school 8 years in via lateral transfer. He knew he had just lengthened his Navy runway, but that is what he wanted. An OCS classmate retired as a CDR, used her GI Bill to go to vet school after 20 years and is now a large animal vet in mountainous northwest state - not quite MD, but you get the idea. My DH’s dermatologist is a former Navy pilot and flight surgeon.

You make “been there” points, so valuable, and your closing query is excellent for a critical thinking catalyst.
 
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@NeverSayNever
Outstanding “been there” advice, BZ. And if you had 100% wanted to be a doctor at some point in your life, and still had the itch, you would have figured out how to do it. A USNA sub officer company officer of mine went to his home state flagship uni med school 8 years in via lateral transfer. He knew he had just lengthened his Navy runway, but that is what he wanted. An OCS classmate retired as a CDR, used her GI Bill to go to vet school after 20 years and is now a large animal vet in mountainous northwest state - not quite MD, but you get the idea. My DH’s dermatologist is a former Navy pilot and flight surgeon.

You make “been there” points, so valuable, and your closing query is excellent for a critical thinking catalyst.
Another "been there" example: One of my flight instructors after their military obligation for aviation entered the medical program. Her family had a "demotion ceremony" as they were required to be an ENS during med school.
 
@dadgonavy

I meant to post this earlier.

If your DD gets the CVW opportunity, she could contact one of the pre-med advisors and try to coordinate an office meeting. She could work it out with the mid she is shadowing. USNA faculty are known for their willingness to engage with mids, and I can’t imagine they wouldn’t be willing to answer questions and discuss the program with an appointee.

Alternately, if no CVW, she could contact them by email with questions, introducing herself, with a succinct and well-chosen list of questions (after scouring the link below, every page, link and menu drop-down item, to ensure she didn’t ask questions with readily available answers).



Thank you @Capt MJ for your advice and I will pass it on to my DD. She contacted her BGO last week and got CVW invitation the next day. She will be at USNA in early April. Hopefully she will make up her mind at that time or we could use your coin flip method. Thanks again!
 
Thank you @Capt MJ for your advice and I will pass it on to my DD. She contacted her BGO last week and got CVW invitation the next day. She will be at USNA in early April. Hopefully she will make up her mind at that time or we could use your coin flip method. Thanks again!
Brilliant! If USNA has been her dream for a long time, the CVW may help her to know whether she is ready to let it go, or strap it on and see what happens.

The Road Not Taken
~ Robert Frost

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
 
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