Citadel vs VMI vs MJC

Gwood3394

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Hey,



I’m a senior in high school, considering military college options. I’m highly motivated but aware of the hazing cases, so I’m self-aware of that aspect. I’m curious about the differences between VMI and The Citadel, as well as the value of Military Junior College (MJC). I’m also interested in exploring various summer training opportunities, such as Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, and CDQC. If anyone has any helpful information, please share it with me.



Thanks!
 
There are plenty of threads detailing the differences between VMI and the Citadel so I suggest doing a search.

I'll highlight some of the differences and I'm sure someone will add (or correct) what I have.

  • MJC allows for commissioning in 2 years due to the ECP in the NG or Reserves. A 4 year degree is required to serve on AD.
  • VMI - Rural small town, Undergraduate studies only, smaller Corps size. Citadel - larger city. Undergraduate, graduate and civilian students as well much larger Corps of Cadets.
  • Summer Training opportunities listed above are available at both VMI and the Citadel and are allocated based on the Cadet's ranking within the respective AROTC department. Air Assault slots seem to be most plentiful. I haven't heard of anyone at VMI attending CDQC.
  • Hazing depends on your definition but is taken very seriously. My experience from 38 years ago is very different from what DS is currently experiencing (2nd Classman). The Ratline is run much more professionally.
I guess it all depends on what is your end goal as there are many paths to achieve the same goal.

RVM
 
Hey,



I’m a senior in high school, considering military college options. I’m highly motivated but aware of the hazing cases, so I’m self-aware of that aspect. I’m curious about the differences between VMI and The Citadel, as well as the value of Military Junior College (MJC). I’m also interested in exploring various summer training opportunities, such as Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, and CDQC. If anyone has any helpful information, please share it with me.



Thanks!
“Hazing” like you hear about in college fraternities or high school athletics can be dangerous. Recruit training similar to military boot camp that you will experience at VMI or The Citadel is implemented by selected upper class cadets under the supervision of experienced military officers and non-commissioned officers, to enable you to quickly assimilate to the traditions and military structure of each school, and build your confidence. Is it dangerous? No. Is it always pleasant? No. It is and should be challenging. The schools have different traditions and challenges. You should learn as much as you can and visit if possible.

On The Citadel campus there are 2,300 cadets, housed in five barracks. There are about 60 veteran undergraduate students and 30 or so active duty Marines and Navy enlisted personnel (typically E5-E6) who live off campus and attend classes with cadets. There is a separate evening school for about 1,300 graduate and undergraduate students who attend night school classes. Unless you play NCAA sports, you are unlikely to be involved with these students outside the library. The Marines and Navy enlisted attend ROTC classes with cadets to obtain their commissions and have proven to be good mentors for cadets.

Academics should be your primary focus for college. At The Citadel there are 30 majors and over 50 minors to consider. The Engineering school programs (there are five different majors), Business School programs (there are five different majors), and Intelligence & Security are the most popular majors. The Citadel is part of a consortium of SMCs that offer Cyber Security scholarships leading to government cyber security opportunities, if this is an area of interest to you, it’s a great career path.
 
@RBI90VMI is the best source for up to date info on VMI. He has a son that just received his ring (congrats BTW!) and he also graduated from VMI. @glen is by far the best source of info on The Citadel. My DS graduated this year from The Citadel, I'm happy to answer any questions (my info in from the parents perspective and not a student FYI).There is also Norwich, which is similar to VMI and The Citadel. They have a great financial aid offering for students pursuing a Commission. Best of luck to you!
 
@RBI90VMI sums up VMI’s differences perfectly. I’d add that Lexington is a gorgeous town and that VMI barracks are VERY Spartan; they all sleep on cots! Also, VMI’s Honor Code may seem a bit harsh to outsiders…
Being cadet-only and living together in one barracks creates a unique espirit de corps that’s hard to understand if you’re not a VMI cadet or grad… very unique place!
 
Applied to SAs and 3 SMCs with VMI as 1st choice for SMC. I've now visited several SMCs and one MJC. Anyone can DM me and I'm happy to share my honest observations and viewpoint. Just tried to DM@Gwood3394
 
Hey,



I’m a senior in high school, considering military college options. I’m highly motivated but aware of the hazing cases, so I’m self-aware of that aspect. I’m curious about the differences between VMI and The Citadel, as well as the value of Military Junior College (MJC). I’m also interested in exploring various summer training opportunities, such as Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, and CDQC. If anyone has any helpful information, please share it with me.



Thanks!
Go to VMI because you get the best-looking and biggest class ring of any of the military schools or academies out there. 👍🏼
 
Hey,



I’m a senior in high school, considering military college options. I’m highly motivated but aware of the hazing cases, so I’m self-aware of that aspect. I’m curious about the differences between VMI and The Citadel, as well as the value of Military Junior College (MJC). I’m also interested in exploring various summer training opportunities, such as Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, and CDQC. If anyone has any helpful information, please share it with me.



Thanks!
I’d say VMI all the way!
If not VMI, then the SAs, just one opinion.
Good luck to you.
 
DS is currently a knob (freshman) and AROTC cadet at The Citadel. Feel free to send me a PM if you have specific questions. I am happy to help if I can. If you are able, I would encourage you to take advantage of one of the overnight programs both VMI and The Citadel offer. At The Citadel, it's called "inside the gates," and you can find lots of info about that on the school website. I am sure VMI has something similar and you can find out about it on their website. Visiting in person will help you get a feel for each, and how that matches up with your personal preferences. For example, DS really liked both schools, but the bigger cosmopolitan area of Charleston really appealed to him more than the rural community where VMI is located. But obviously, your preferences may be completely different. I'll also echo what someone else said about Norwich. It's definitely worth a look, and as a private university, they are in many cases able to offer extremely generous scholarships and aid to those interested in commissioning upon graduation.

What I can tell you is this: should you decide to attend The Citadel or VMI, be prepared for a challenge! Embrace it. Then embrace it again. And then embrace it again. Both schools pride themselves is their demanding environment, and as chief rivals, each school believes it is just a little bit tougher than the other. Similar to the SAs, these schools have a way of pushing you in ways you did not expect. In other words, you go in knowing it's going to be hard, but it's a different kind of hard than you expect. And I imagine that what's hardest varies from cadet to cadet. The point is, it'll challenge you physically, mentally, emotionally and academically. Some days, it'll seem really hard, and you'll ask yourself why in the world you chose to go there when you could have just gone to a "regular college." But then, you make it through the challenge, and you come out the other side with a sense of pride, accomplishment and confidence you know you would have never found anywhere else. I've already seen this several times with DS in only one semester, and all I'll say as a parent is that it has been rewarding watching the steep growth curve from afar.

Remember, you can absolutely commission from an ROTC program at any one of 1,000+ colleges and universities across the nation. And those who commission from Harvard or Penn State or UCLA start with the same rank as those who commission from an SMC. So, it's certainly not something you HAVE to do. However, if being pushed far beyond the "average" college experience is something that appeals to you -- and you are willing to make the sacrifices involved in that in exchange for the added personal growth you'll experience -- then this is a fine path to walk. I wish you the best of luck!
 
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