Classic BJJ or something a bit... newer?

Sciencnerd

Sciencnerd

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I'm looking to get back into martial arts. I got my black belt in Taekwondo in 2019 (not a mcdojo), then COVID hit and I kinda faded out. This time I'm looking for something a bit better for self defense, and I was considering BJJ, Krav Maga or Judo until I saw this other new thing. It's called "Gongkwon Yusul", and it is basically a crossover between Judo, BJJ, Hapkido and Korean kickboxing. It seems cool and has a school in my area, but it started only in the 90s. Here's a link: gkys.
What's your opinion? Not asking for advice, necessarily, but it would be nice to see other opinions before I give it a shot.
 
Sciencnerd said:
...I got my black belt in Taekwondo in 2019 (not a mcdojo)...
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Nope - if it's Taekwon-Do - it's a McDojo. ;)

Hey if you're interested in this new thing though, do it. The place probably has some sort of introductory thing in which you can take 8 weeks of classes a couple of days per week. You would know if you like it or not after that. If they don't, then they're just about taking your money and you don't need them.
 
My number one grandson got his first belt when he was five and had Korean instructors. The were in a strip mall but were the real deal. I went to a practice or whatever the session is called and an instructor got tough with my little fella when he whimpered a bit when trying to break a board. It didn't break and it hurt. I felt like choking the guy but realized he could rip out my heart and have me watch him eat it before I fell. Grandson recovered of course and broke the board.
 
Devil Doc said:
My number one grandson got his first belt when he was five and had Korean instructors. The were in a strip mall but were the real deal. I went to a practice or whatever the session is called and an instructor got tough with my little fella when he whimpered a bit when trying to break a board. It didn't break and it hurt. I felt like choking the guy but realized he could rip out my heart and have me watch him eat it before I fell. Grandson recovered of course and broke the board.
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I always love it when that happened. That kid was me!
 
I took JKD - one step below brown belt. Huge fan of UFC. I would take Krav Maga if I start up again.

All forms have weaknesses in fights. Maybe consider classes in judo, BJJ, wrestling, and boxing? Don’t worry about belts, worry about perfecting various fighting ranges.
 
99% of fights go to the ground, 100% can. BJJ all day. After blue belt, mix in stand up / striking……. But just for cardio ;)
 
Supersix00 said:
99% of fights go to the ground, 100% can. BJJ all day. After blue belt, mix in stand up / striking……. But just for cardio ;)
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Totally agree with mixing things up, and broadening one's combat horizons.

But.....(and there's always a but 😉 )

If your striking and kicking is up to par, things may be over before they ever get a chance to go to ground.

I'm my own personal experience......BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, TKD, Krav, Wrestling, Judo, and some good old fashioned bar-style scrapping is the mix to go for. Keep the functional aspects, and ditch the fluff.

Any one of those...or a mix of 2, 3, 4, etc is a worthwhile endeavor.

The beauty of any real martial art goes well beyond the damage one can inflict while utilizing its techniques...and it has both individual and team-oriented measurables, if you find the right place to train.

Happy hunting!
 
Devil Doc said:
My technique of Smith, Wesson, Ruger, Springfield. Mossberg, and Colt leaves only one participant on the ground.

Just joking. I lost all my technique in a tragic boating accident.
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Yeah, the best answer is "all of the above."
Having a firearm, less-lethal, and open-hand skills all have utility in certain situations.

Within unarmed skills, it seems to me that strikes and grapple-moves for limb control are probably the most useful. Getting a full lock on someone is useful, but seems less often the right choice (remove the threat and leave to a safer place to report it).

Active self protection has some interesting video case studies.
 
raimius said:
Yeah, the best answer is "all of the above."
Having a firearm, less-lethal, and open-hand skills all have utility in certain situations.

Within unarmed skills, it seems to me that strikes and grapple-moves for limb control are probably the most useful. Getting a full lock on someone is useful, but seems less often the right choice (remove the threat and leave to a safer place to report it).

Active self protection has some interesting video case studies.
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I think chokes are equal to limb control.

The wrestlers win.

Limb control can end a fight quickly.
 
A1Janitor said:
I think chokes are equal to limb control.

The wrestlers win.
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IMO wrestlers are nearly impossible to sweep due to having some of the best/strongest bases. But they give their backs up too easily early on and get RNC’d. But eventually they learn and are solid. Chokes are actually > limb control because some people can still fight without a limb…
 
Supersix00 said:
IMO wrestlers are nearly impossible to sweep due to having some of the best/strongest bases. But they give their backs up too easily early on and get RNC’d. But eventually they learn and are solid. Chokes are actually > limb control because some people can still fight without a limb…
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I don’t know any fighters that woud fight after a heel hook or kimura.
 
A1Janitor said:
I don’t know any fighters that woud fight after a heel hook or kimura.
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Agreed in randori. But with adrenaline, who knows. Several MMA examples out there with broken bones, hyperextended elbows/shoulders etc where they kept going. None when they’re asleep…
 
But to be fair to OP, if we’re going to push ground game hard like this we prob need to talk about ringworm
 
Supersix00 said:
But to be fair to OP, if we’re going to push ground game hard like this we prob need to talk about ringworm
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Defense brand soap and Defense Foam (put on before practice), or Selsun Blue Medicated (I've been using it since I was 5yo, never had ringworm or MRSA).
As to OP question- I think trying out different styles until you find one that suits your body type, skill set and preferences is a good thing. I've done boxing, aikido and judo in the past to round myself out. I don't have long arms, so boxing wasn't good for me- I had to slip or eat 2-3 jabs until I could get close enough to land a hook or uppercut, aikido was cool to use their momentum against them, but it didn't help with wrestling since I like to be the aggressor and not be a counter person and judo I enjoyed since it helped with hips/balance, went well with wrestling throws and learning the choke holds could potentially help if I ever need to neutralize a threat who has a good chin. After my college wrestling days are over-I'll personally probably go with Krav Maga or Jeet June Do. From your link: The core idea of Gongkwon Yusul is the conviction that practising a martial art requires a prejudice-free approach which is not limited by acquired habits. Through the conscious and harmonised combination of many different techniques, one has to try to control one’s opponent"-to me it kind of sounds similar to Jeet June Do, "which was conceived to be dynamic, to enable its practitioners to adapt to the constant changes and fluctuations of live combat". The biggest difference though would be that Gongkwon Yusul "designates throws, locks or grappling techniques which aim to redirect the opponent’s force against him"; where as Jeet June Do believes "the best defense is a strong offense". So it depends on your style- does your body type, skill set and personality lend you more to being reactive/counter moves or do you prefer to be on offense? Also, if it's a life and death situation and you've constantly trained in an art that is reactive, and your opponent is highly skilled- you might not ever get a chance to react, something to consider...
 
A1Janitor said:
I think chokes are equal to limb control.

The wrestlers win.

Limb control can end a fight quickly.
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Depends if you are talking about sports or self-defense. A lot of self-defense cases involve a weapon, and control of the weapon is usually critical to the outcome. Many also involve strikes to disable/disorient the enemy. I don't see a lot of security cam footage involving chokes--I think because most fights are over by then (run or KO by the time a choke is achievable).
Sport wise-pick a favorite because the rules will favor using the desired style.
 
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