Coast Guard Helo down in Mobile Bay
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So much of SAR is about (well first rescuing), but bringing resolution and closure to the families involved.
It's also tough to search for your own. Very tough.
It's also tough to search for your own. Very tough.
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Please also keep the Class of 2009 in your thoughts and prayers. This event has left them all shell shocked and they are all hoping for a miracle. The loss of a classmate is certainly tragic and very difficult to digest.
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MOBILE, Ala. (WALA) - The Coast Guard has recovered the fuselage of the MH-65C Dolphin Helicopter that crashed into Mobile Bay on Tuesday evening. However, the bodies of the three missing crew members were not onboard the wrecked fuselage.
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/fuselage-recovered-3-men-still-missing
Also here is a picture of the barge recovering the aircraft. If you look closely, just in front of the white container box, you can see the tail section of the helo.
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/fuselage-recovered-3-men-still-missing
Also here is a picture of the barge recovering the aircraft. If you look closely, just in front of the white container box, you can see the tail section of the helo.
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If posters make uninformed statements such as the following, perhaps you should “give a crap”.
Uninformed statements such as these do nothing to enhance the memory of those professional aviators who have worked and trained hard to be able to cope with situations such as this. It does nothing to give the families a glimmer of hope commensurate with the professionalism of their husbands, dads, and sons. It does nothing to enhance the professionalism of those who train them and set the standards. It does nothing to enhance the knowledge of the candidates and midshipmen/candidates who want to fly helicopters but don’rt want to be foolhardy.
Just for the record, around eighty percent of all Navy/Marine Corps personnel survive water helicopter crashes. That's four out of five. And the survival rate gets better every year.
Not trying to start a fight at all, Just trying to educate since I do probably know a lot more about water helicopter survivability than the rest of the forum combined.
As an aside, things don’t stay in the same place where they are dumped in the water, even in bays. A married Norfolk City councilman decided to go skinny dipping off his boat with his girlfriend one evening. We got the call of an abandoned boat late the next morning. We found them late afternoon alive clutching to the Chesapeake Bay Light twelve miles from the boat. They did not swim twelve miles.
Never give up hope.Especially with trained professional Naval Aviators whose livelyhood is flying over water.
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Out of respect for those involved in the crash, their families, and the Coast Guard family, I ask that the conversation please refrain from becoming an argument. To argue about things on a thread such as this is disrespectful and unnecessary.
I know I can speak for the Corps when I say that the members of CG 6535 are in our thoughts and prayers, they have been in my mind ever since the news was released. Even tonight on Billet Night, a few of the 1/c have dedicated this moment to the crew. I have never seen the wardroom as quiet as it was yesterday afternoon when the accident was announced. Cadets gare sent to Mobile every summer for CATP. It is possible that these crew members are people who have touched the lives of cadets here at the Academy. I will continue to pray for the families and the crew.
I know I can speak for the Corps when I say that the members of CG 6535 are in our thoughts and prayers, they have been in my mind ever since the news was released. Even tonight on Billet Night, a few of the 1/c have dedicated this moment to the crew. I have never seen the wardroom as quiet as it was yesterday afternoon when the accident was announced. Cadets gare sent to Mobile every summer for CATP. It is possible that these crew members are people who have touched the lives of cadets here at the Academy. I will continue to pray for the families and the crew.
trackandfield08, I am sure we have the same goals in mind.
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If you want to chide people for making uninformed statements, don't make them yourself. That statistic is completely out of line with reality.
Some of us have completed Dunker this century, including Naval dunker training.
Your goal is not to be comforting or hopeful.
http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFullText/RTO/MP/RTO-MP-019///$MP-019-37.PDF
Slightly dated. Mid 70s. But if you get rid of the H-46 and add the H-60 with it's mid 80s commensurate with present numbers you will get into the eighty percentile which I read/heard somewhere else but can't seem to locate.
A couple of rides does not an expert make. Obviously. However, the discussion is about the CG pilots. What made you think it was about you?
I was always afraid to go out on a limb by telling other people what they were thinking, but go for it.
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This thread is quickly turning ugly and completely off topic.
Can't we just be mindful of a tragic situation with out sliding into a war of words worthy only of facebook.
Our family's hearts go out the crew and families of fellow Coast Guardsmen.
That's all that need be said.
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Can't we just be mindful of a tragic situation with out sliding into a war of words worthy only of facebook.
Our family's hearts go out the crew and families of fellow Coast Guardsmen.
That's all that need be said.
Semper Paratus
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Correct, this thread is about them. We can save talk about survival at sea for another thread. I'd be happy to discuss it with all, there.
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Except in your case, where insinuation of sage experience and supposed data you "can't seem to locate" make you qualified to declare everyone else unqualified. I'm comfortable saying I've got more dunker rides under my belt than anyone else posting in this thread. That's a reality of the job, and is worth mentioning because we have to redo the academics every time and they include statistics and recent case reports.
That's just a lie.
How you can find yourself to be in the right when you turn genuine and candid comments about a horrid situation by Pima or yours truly into yet another feeble attempt to be right about something is beyond me.
And while you're busy quoting "facts" about overwater survival, aircrews don't carry oxygen. It's compressed atmospheric air, which provides 4 minutes of breathing at average volumetric respiration at sea level pressure. But I'm sure you knew that.
It's s tragedy these fine folks were lost. The sea and sky are unforgiving, especially when combined. We should all be thankful such folks guard our shoes and would search for us were it us in their shoes.
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Agreed
My 'data' was a conversation at Pax River a year or so ago comparing the H-60 and the H-46 as VERTREP platforms. The link is there that I posted supporting the 80% though. No comment? vWe who do/did it and parents and advisors of those who do it now, take comfort in that 80%, which holds true pretty much accross the board, both helo and fixed wing. One Class A every 15,000 hours or so and an 80% chance of walking away. Pretty good odds.
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