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Sounds like there are some issues with the universities in your state. That is surely not the case in my state.
 
MombaBomba said:
What is very disturbing is that our home state university offers far more academic scholarship money to out of state students than residents. In point of fact, my friend's daughter pays more than her out of state roommate at our state university. The daughter was in the top 10 of her class and an excellent academic and participatory record. Our state doesn't offer any real money to stellar resident academic performers. They use it on out of state students.
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If so, it is to enhance the educational experience of in state students. It's very simple, somehow (because I have no idea how) that an academically stellar student from another state makes the educational experience offered by this State university better than an academically stellar student from in state. To me, this assertion is not much different from how diversity contributes to SA experience.
 
MemberLG said:
If so, it is to enhance the educational experience of in state students. It's very simple, somehow (because I have no idea how) that an academically stellar student from another state makes the educational experience offered by this State university better than an academically stellar student from in state. To me, this assertion is not much different from how diversity contributes to SA experience.
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Exactly how does a kid with the same background (socioeconomic background, white collar job family, same European ethnicity, also from suburbs, etc. etc. etc.) from a neighboring state enhance the instate student's experience?

Actually, it is vastly different than the SA experience. Both kids are not getting the same sort of financial benefit. They attend the same school, live in the same dorm, have the same meal plan, and even the same major, but one pays more than the other. I am subsidizing the out of state student to the detriment of the in state student.

I don't have an issue with in state resident diversity. Take across the spectrum of our state (inner city, big and small cities, country, farm, suburbs, immigrants, first family member to attend college, generations of college graduates, etc.). Promote your own state citizens first. We have plenty of them, and the state college has more than enough qualified applicants.

If the state didn't give out scholarships to out of state students, this would be less of an issue as I wouldn't be subsidizing another child while expecting to pay the full ride for mine. I would still expect my state to put it's residents first. But to expect the instate to pony up while out of state gets nearly a free ride is wrong.
 
MombaBomba said:
Exactly how does a kid with the same background (socioeconomic background, white collar job family, same European ethnicity, also from suburbs, etc. etc. etc.) from a neighboring state enhance the instate student's experience?
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I don't disagree that the matter of subsidizing out of state students is an issue that deserves some level of scrutiny, at least in some places. However, having lived in upstate NY for the first 30 years of my life, and in Virginia and NC for the remaining 33 years, I can assure you that even with all the caveats you mention, people from different regions of the country are still very different people. They are raised differently. They may live in the burbs but they are still influenced by living in a rural or non-rural economy. They speak differently. They use different expressions for the same thing. Some areas people use "Sir" or "Ma'am" at the end of almost every sentence while in other areas you very seldom hear that. They will see things differently and are therefore still diverse.

A brief example. Up north the expression "Please honey" (or "whatever honey") is quite common. In the south they use "sugar", or more often "shug" in place of honey to mean the same thing. It took my northern mother 5 years to realize that my southern nieces name was NOT shug.
 
MombaBomba said:
Exactly how does a kid with the same background (socioeconomic background, white collar job family, same European ethnicity, also from suburbs, etc. etc. etc.) from a neighboring state enhance the instate student's experience?
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I guess I wasn't clear - I agree with you. A kid from another state with same background doesn't contribute to the instate student's experience, but colleges like to talk about how many different states are represented in their incoming class and probably use that reason to justify giving scholarship to an out of state student.
 
MombaBomba said:
If the state didn't give out scholarships to out of state students, this would be less of an issue as I wouldn't be subsidizing another child while expecting to pay the full ride for mine.
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I don't know that universities use tuition to fund scholarships, at least none that I'm familiar with. And most universities argue that tuition alone does not cover the full cost of educating each student (perhaps we can laugh at that, although it's certainly true of the academies). Here's a good discussion on that topic with data:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1880012-cost-of-education-versus-tuition-p1.html

Scholarships are usually private endowments or sliced from a university's general endowment. If you are donating to a university, then I would agree that you might be subsidizing scholarships whether in-state or out-of-state.
 
Many state universities have a variety of methods for out of state students to pay in state rates. I know I have a son doing it right now. Having done the research I have found it at almost every University (state) we investigated. Two notable exceptions were VMI and The Citadel.
 
VelveteenR said:
I don't know that universities use tuition to fund scholarships, at least none that I'm familiar with. And most universities argue that tuition alone does not cover the full cost of educating each student (perhaps we can laugh at that, although it's certainly true of the academies). Here's a good discussion on that topic with data:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1880012-cost-of-education-versus-tuition-p1.html

Scholarships are usually private endowments or sliced from a university's general endowment. If you are donating to a university, then I would agree that you might be subsidizing scholarships whether in-state or out-of-state.
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State colleges receive state tax money to subsidize them. At least in our state they do. Thus we are subsidizing out of state students to attend our colleges when we give them scholarship money. If they all had to pay full out of state tuition regardless, then it might not be such a raw deal for the state tax payers. But I still believe that all slots should be filled by qualified in state residents before offering acceptance to out of state.

Private colleges are a different kettle of fish. Some of those endowments are enormous! I don't know if you saw it in the news, but the state of CT was considering how to tax Yale's endowment. Yale's feathers got quite ruffled at the idea. CT finally decided against perusing that avenue any further, and Yale's feathers have settled down..... for now at least.
 
VelveteenR said:
I don't know that universities use tuition to fund scholarships, at least none that I'm familiar with. And most universities argue that tuition alone does not cover the full cost of educating each student (perhaps we can laugh at that, although it's certainly true of the academies).
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Not using tuition to fund certain scholarship might be true, but regardless a college budget is fixed
S0 unless it's a specific scholarship funded all by private donation, its coming out the school budget directly or indirectly.
 
kinnem said:
I don't disagree that the matter of subsidizing out of state students is an issue that deserves some level of scrutiny, at least in some places. However, having lived in upstate NY for the first 30 years of my life, and in Virginia and NC for the remaining 33 years, I can assure you that even with all the caveats you mention, people from different regions of the country are still very different people. They are raised differently. They may live in the burbs but they are still influenced by living in a rural or non-rural economy. They speak differently. They use different expressions for the same thing. Some areas people use "Sir" or "Ma'am" at the end of almost every sentence while in other areas you very seldom hear that. They will see things differently and are therefore still diverse.

A brief example. Up north the expression "Please honey" (or "whatever honey") is quite common. In the south they use "sugar", or more often "shug" in place of honey to mean the same thing. It took my northern mother 5 years to realize that my southern nieces name was NOT shug.
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I agree there is some diversity when it comes to regions of the country. I have lived both up north and down south (NC). I grew up in NY state as well where we said soda in the eastern part and pop in the western part. There is not a whole lot of diversity between someone from NJ, NY, CT and MA suburbs. Though one could successfully argue that NYC is a whole different kettle of fish when it comes to the rest of NY. I recall threats of NYC breaking off to form its own state and the rest of NY state going "Yeah! Go for it! Let's help you write your state charter!" ;)
 
folks its simple economics. Colleges are taking in more and more out of state students because they pay more money but the number of families who can afford the cost is dwindling so schools will take anybody with an open checkbook. State support for public colleges is eroding rapidly so gotta do what you gotta do to stay afloat financially.
 
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